Comments on: “I hope you feel better soon!” (Hello from Ireland) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: lickthestar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242240 lickthestar Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:31:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242240 <p>I'm South Indian and my husband is from Ireland. We bond over our colonial histories ("they hate me more than they hate you"). But no matter how inappropriate the Irish can be, I find they're generally good-natured peeps. BTW--don't kiss the blarney stone--you'll get herpes. But do try to go to Listowel, Co. Kerry...the literary capital of Ireland.</p> I’m South Indian and my husband is from Ireland. We bond over our colonial histories (“they hate me more than they hate you”). But no matter how inappropriate the Irish can be, I find they’re generally good-natured peeps. BTW–don’t kiss the blarney stone–you’ll get herpes. But do try to go to Listowel, Co. Kerry…the literary capital of Ireland.

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By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242239 LinZi Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:24:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242239 <p>Rob, maybe when you read people's comments, you should not take them to be black or white (i.e. either 'the US sucks!' or 'the US is awesome!') and see the shades of grey that exist in reality...</p> <p>for example, when I commented that I was impressed people actually knew that they were Sikhs, and that that wouldn't happen in Maine, well I wasn't automatically insinuating that "hence the US sucks/is ignorant" etc, rather I was just pointing out that some states like Maine would benefit from a bit of worldly cultural exposure... not that they are bad or inherently racist, or any other such thing. Most people I have had discussions with about India/Hinduism/Hindi/Islam/Sikhism/cities and villages in India, etc have been genuinely interested in learning information about others in the world... they just haven't been exposed to it at home/school/community as of yet.</p> Rob, maybe when you read people’s comments, you should not take them to be black or white (i.e. either ‘the US sucks!’ or ‘the US is awesome!’) and see the shades of grey that exist in reality…

for example, when I commented that I was impressed people actually knew that they were Sikhs, and that that wouldn’t happen in Maine, well I wasn’t automatically insinuating that “hence the US sucks/is ignorant” etc, rather I was just pointing out that some states like Maine would benefit from a bit of worldly cultural exposure… not that they are bad or inherently racist, or any other such thing. Most people I have had discussions with about India/Hinduism/Hindi/Islam/Sikhism/cities and villages in India, etc have been genuinely interested in learning information about others in the world… they just haven’t been exposed to it at home/school/community as of yet.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242232 rob Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:20:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242232 <p>Moni, Yes, I see your point, and I agree I put my point clumsily. I was trying to point out the (to me) silliness of a desi going to Europe and coming back with the message that the US sucks (not everyone needs to agree with this position, but it's a plausible one). I failed to make that point in anything approaching an elegant way; I apologize.</p> Moni, Yes, I see your point, and I agree I put my point clumsily. I was trying to point out the (to me) silliness of a desi going to Europe and coming back with the message that the US sucks (not everyone needs to agree with this position, but it’s a plausible one). I failed to make that point in anything approaching an elegant way; I apologize.

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By: moni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242231 moni Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:47:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242231 <p>Rob, do you not see the hypocrisy of your own words? You say don't bash us, we're just as educated, unless your punjabi or tamil. So while you're saying we shouldn't be spousing anti-americanism, you're spousing anti-another group.</p> Rob, do you not see the hypocrisy of your own words? You say don’t bash us, we’re just as educated, unless your punjabi or tamil. So while you’re saying we shouldn’t be spousing anti-americanism, you’re spousing anti-another group.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242207 rob Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:24:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242207 <p>Moni, please don't inventory your family on my account--I'm sure they're great! What I was (clumsily) objecting to was #18's cheap anti-Americanism, essentially copying white liberals who love to go to Europe and tell us all how much better it is than the US, focusing only on the better aspects of Europe in order to accomplish their real goal--to bash the US. It just struck me as ludicrous for one of us to start copying that kind of behavior.</p> Moni, please don’t inventory your family on my account–I’m sure they’re great! What I was (clumsily) objecting to was #18′s cheap anti-Americanism, essentially copying white liberals who love to go to Europe and tell us all how much better it is than the US, focusing only on the better aspects of Europe in order to accomplish their real goal–to bash the US. It just struck me as ludicrous for one of us to start copying that kind of behavior.

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By: Filmiholic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242206 Filmiholic Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:04:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242206 <blockquote>Have you seen much evidence of the financial crisis? I've read that Ireland has been particularly hammered.</blockquote> <p>Rob,</p> <p>Your question wasn't directed at me, but just to share....Polish friends here (NY) have told me that their Polish friends in Dublin have started heading home because work is drying up. In an interview with Pete Hamill recently, we got a bit off topic and in talking about Dublin he mentioned just being over there a little while ago and seeing many "To Let" signs in windows of the many former Georgian homes that had been converted to offices. From what I've heard from generally all friends and relatives is that the real estate situation is even more abysmal than ours here in the US.</p> <p>Billy,</p> <p>On the racism, in Dublin, I think it's a bit of a mixed bag. Several years back, my mother and I hopped into a taxi and I passed some remark to the driver about we hadn't been back in a year or two and how diverse Dublin had suddenly gotten (which is true, the country went from zero to sixty in terms of immigration practically overnight; when I was a kid there, aside from American tourists in the summer, the only other "foreigners" you saw were French, German, Spanish or Italian exchange students over to learn English. If you saw someone of African origin, you could safely bet he or she was a student at TCD, and there were pretty much no desis at all, except for maybe <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Paddy-Indian-Cauvery-Madhavan/dp/1901969045">Cauvery Madhavan</a> and her hubby. At the time of my taxi ride, you could easily spot West African women on O'Connell street with babies swaddled on their backs, and some Gypsies begging on or near O'Connell Bridge.). At that comment, the taxi driver (Irish guy in his mid-50s) launched into a tirade about all these foreigners and how they were getting all these great welfare benefits and housing and how it was all Mary Robinson's fault ("That hoor!") My Mom and I sat in the back seat, blinking at each other, aghast at the whole thing.</p> <p>But on the other side of the coin, younger kids seem to be mixing it up quite well, to judge by the large number of mixed race couples you'd see around the city holding hands and kissing (but, yeah, I'm sure some of that may be done for parental shock value), and I was dumbfounded to hear a drivetime radio broadcast of Gerry Ryan last year or so, where the caller, another Dublin native about the same age as Ryan (to judge by the sound of him) who called in to rave about a wonderful vindaloo curry he had in Cavan over the weekend. Cavan!!???!!! What the???? At this point, after an extensive discussion about not just eating vindaloo curry, but also cooking it (!!), Gerry Ryan says "Well, one of my favorite Indian places is out by me in Clontarf (Dublin suburb)." The caller says "Oh, yeah, you mean _________, right?" To which Ryan says "No, not that place, the other one."</p> <p>I almost drove the car off the road. Tiny Clontarf has not one, but two Indian restaurants?! Dublin really has moved forward and become a European city.</p> <p>Amardeep,</p> <p>Looking forward to the next installment of the travelogue!</p> <p>cheers, Maria</p> Have you seen much evidence of the financial crisis? I’ve read that Ireland has been particularly hammered.

Rob,

Your question wasn’t directed at me, but just to share….Polish friends here (NY) have told me that their Polish friends in Dublin have started heading home because work is drying up. In an interview with Pete Hamill recently, we got a bit off topic and in talking about Dublin he mentioned just being over there a little while ago and seeing many “To Let” signs in windows of the many former Georgian homes that had been converted to offices. From what I’ve heard from generally all friends and relatives is that the real estate situation is even more abysmal than ours here in the US.

Billy,

On the racism, in Dublin, I think it’s a bit of a mixed bag. Several years back, my mother and I hopped into a taxi and I passed some remark to the driver about we hadn’t been back in a year or two and how diverse Dublin had suddenly gotten (which is true, the country went from zero to sixty in terms of immigration practically overnight; when I was a kid there, aside from American tourists in the summer, the only other “foreigners” you saw were French, German, Spanish or Italian exchange students over to learn English. If you saw someone of African origin, you could safely bet he or she was a student at TCD, and there were pretty much no desis at all, except for maybe Cauvery Madhavan and her hubby. At the time of my taxi ride, you could easily spot West African women on O’Connell street with babies swaddled on their backs, and some Gypsies begging on or near O’Connell Bridge.). At that comment, the taxi driver (Irish guy in his mid-50s) launched into a tirade about all these foreigners and how they were getting all these great welfare benefits and housing and how it was all Mary Robinson’s fault (“That hoor!”) My Mom and I sat in the back seat, blinking at each other, aghast at the whole thing.

But on the other side of the coin, younger kids seem to be mixing it up quite well, to judge by the large number of mixed race couples you’d see around the city holding hands and kissing (but, yeah, I’m sure some of that may be done for parental shock value), and I was dumbfounded to hear a drivetime radio broadcast of Gerry Ryan last year or so, where the caller, another Dublin native about the same age as Ryan (to judge by the sound of him) who called in to rave about a wonderful vindaloo curry he had in Cavan over the weekend. Cavan!!???!!! What the???? At this point, after an extensive discussion about not just eating vindaloo curry, but also cooking it (!!), Gerry Ryan says “Well, one of my favorite Indian places is out by me in Clontarf (Dublin suburb).” The caller says “Oh, yeah, you mean _________, right?” To which Ryan says “No, not that place, the other one.”

I almost drove the car off the road. Tiny Clontarf has not one, but two Indian restaurants?! Dublin really has moved forward and become a European city.

Amardeep,

Looking forward to the next installment of the travelogue!

cheers, Maria

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By: Pavani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242204 Pavani Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:34:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242204 <p>Being in the front row at a comedy performance would be nerve-wracking for me. I too like how Samian handled things. :)</p> Being in the front row at a comedy performance would be nerve-wracking for me. I too like how Samian handled things. :)

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By: Moni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242192 Moni Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:16:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242192 <p>As a dude who wears a turban, i laughed at that joke. I wouldn't have been offended at all. The joke is making fun of the womans ignorance. The guy clearly knew the difference and it comes off as him making fun of someone who isn't very aware of different religions.</p> <p>I would say the comment made by rob is more racist than that joke. I haven't done any surveys but using the same personal experience stats as my man amardeep did, i find it shocking people think that way. Out of people in my family who either were born here or came here at a young age, most everyone has a degree or is currently in college. I'm trying to think of somone, a cousin, a niece, anybody, in my family who isn't in school or already graduated from college and i'm drawing a blank.</p> As a dude who wears a turban, i laughed at that joke. I wouldn’t have been offended at all. The joke is making fun of the womans ignorance. The guy clearly knew the difference and it comes off as him making fun of someone who isn’t very aware of different religions.

I would say the comment made by rob is more racist than that joke. I haven’t done any surveys but using the same personal experience stats as my man amardeep did, i find it shocking people think that way. Out of people in my family who either were born here or came here at a young age, most everyone has a degree or is currently in college. I’m trying to think of somone, a cousin, a niece, anybody, in my family who isn’t in school or already graduated from college and i’m drawing a blank.

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By: Gohir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242187 Gohir Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:09:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242187 <p>I just can't believe you were in Ireland, I live in the North of Ireland and love reading Sepia Mutiny!</p> <p>If you get a chance come to the North!</p> I just can’t believe you were in Ireland, I live in the North of Ireland and love reading Sepia Mutiny!

If you get a chance come to the North!

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By: Jigglemyhandle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/16/i_hope_you_feel/comment-page-1/#comment-242183 Jigglemyhandle Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:14:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5823#comment-242183 <p>"That would be quite apposite since it is stout and has a robust body." Grat one!! and not to mention, milky frothy, that he is so fond of, next time he wants milk, I'll be in line with a bottle of you know what.</p> “That would be quite apposite since it is stout and has a robust body.” Grat one!! and not to mention, milky frothy, that he is so fond of, next time he wants milk, I’ll be in line with a bottle of you know what.

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