Comments on: How he became a Patel http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Raymond Turney http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241505 Raymond Turney Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:28:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241505 <p>Hi Sulabi,</p> <p>AMTI is now part of this company:</p> <p>http://www.amti.com/about_amti/index.html</p> <p>The founder of AMTI is Anita Talwar</p> <p>http://www.spoke.com/info/p8Ha6o1/AnitaTalwar</p> <p>I would note that it probably looked a lot different to Anita, and it was so far in the past that even if she committed a crime the statue of limitations has expired.</p> <p>Ray,</p> Hi Sulabi,

AMTI is now part of this company:

http://www.amti.com/about_amti/index.html

The founder of AMTI is Anita Talwar

http://www.spoke.com/info/p8Ha6o1/AnitaTalwar

I would note that it probably looked a lot different to Anita, and it was so far in the past that even if she committed a crime the statue of limitations has expired.

Ray,

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By: Sulabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241499 Sulabh Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:47:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241499 <blockquote>In short I'm not saying Indians are terrible, I'm just saying that they're human. I'm also suggesting that is not an entirely individual or personality based issue - the structure of the system matters too. Finally, I think focusing on the fact that working for the Patels had a good effect on this Amerindian tends to lead people to acceptance of what is, rather than looking to improve things. I' perfectly willing to accept that congratulate the Patels on what they have done for Rick Beltz and push for reform of NASA at the same time.</blockquote> <p>Please provide some links and information. I could not find a whole lot on AMTi and it desi top management.</p> In short I’m not saying Indians are terrible, I’m just saying that they’re human. I’m also suggesting that is not an entirely individual or personality based issue – the structure of the system matters too. Finally, I think focusing on the fact that working for the Patels had a good effect on this Amerindian tends to lead people to acceptance of what is, rather than looking to improve things. I’ perfectly willing to accept that congratulate the Patels on what they have done for Rick Beltz and push for reform of NASA at the same time.

Please provide some links and information. I could not find a whole lot on AMTi and it desi top management.

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By: Raymond Turney http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241498 Raymond Turney Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:10:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241498 <p>Hi,</p> <p>Sagarika, I'm actually an ethnically European American, whose ancestors on both sides have been in the US since before the Civil War, so if you have objections to my attitude,, please do not project them onto Desis.</p> <p>I would also note that CMU West had a large number of very number of very good {or at least significantly better than me} Indian software developers studying there. The people I ended up disliking at NASA were mostly ethnically Caucasian Americans, not Indians.</p> <p>In short I'm not saying Indians are terrible, I'm just saying that they're human. I'm also suggesting that is not an entirely individual or personality based issue - the structure of the system matters too. Finally, I think focusing on the fact that working for the Patels had a good effect on this Amerindian tends to lead people to acceptance of what is, rather than looking to improve things. I' perfectly willing to accept that congratulate the Patels on what they have done for Rick Beltz and push for reform of NASA at the same time. Sorry I did not make this clear.</p> <p>Ray, .</p> Hi,

Sagarika, I’m actually an ethnically European American, whose ancestors on both sides have been in the US since before the Civil War, so if you have objections to my attitude,, please do not project them onto Desis.

I would also note that CMU West had a large number of very number of very good {or at least significantly better than me} Indian software developers studying there. The people I ended up disliking at NASA were mostly ethnically Caucasian Americans, not Indians.

In short I’m not saying Indians are terrible, I’m just saying that they’re human. I’m also suggesting that is not an entirely individual or personality based issue – the structure of the system matters too. Finally, I think focusing on the fact that working for the Patels had a good effect on this Amerindian tends to lead people to acceptance of what is, rather than looking to improve things. I’ perfectly willing to accept that congratulate the Patels on what they have done for Rick Beltz and push for reform of NASA at the same time. Sorry I did not make this clear.

Ray, .

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By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241490 zee Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:34:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241490 <blockquote>I wouldn't trust any "charities" in that area. Better to go there and put money directly into the hands of these women. They usually immediately buy the medicines they need with it. Or other items that they need. You can trust the women to know their own needs and spend wisely better than anyone else.</blockquote> <p>It is not logistically possible for me to travel to give them money personally, hence the search for NGOs; but its sad if no NGO's can be trusted. Why so ? There are plenty of 'sponsor a child' program; is there no such thing for Vrindavan widows ? If I sponsor, I would also be obligated to keep in touch (my letters) and visits, like it is done for sponsored child programs. And I would love to adopt a grandma!</p> <p>Sagarika @20: So agree with you. While it is important to be aware and change the flaws of one's own community, it is also important to appreciate the positives. There should be a balance. On the other hand, there are some communities, who thrive on blaming others and making excuses for any and every flaw of their community. That's not healthy either.</p> I wouldn’t trust any “charities” in that area. Better to go there and put money directly into the hands of these women. They usually immediately buy the medicines they need with it. Or other items that they need. You can trust the women to know their own needs and spend wisely better than anyone else.

It is not logistically possible for me to travel to give them money personally, hence the search for NGOs; but its sad if no NGO’s can be trusted. Why so ? There are plenty of ‘sponsor a child’ program; is there no such thing for Vrindavan widows ? If I sponsor, I would also be obligated to keep in touch (my letters) and visits, like it is done for sponsored child programs. And I would love to adopt a grandma!

Sagarika @20: So agree with you. While it is important to be aware and change the flaws of one’s own community, it is also important to appreciate the positives. There should be a balance. On the other hand, there are some communities, who thrive on blaming others and making excuses for any and every flaw of their community. That’s not healthy either.

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By: sacredfig http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241488 sacredfig Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:30:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241488 <p>I guess this counts as the first instance of a Patel truly thanking another Patel!! :) :)</p> I guess this counts as the first instance of a Patel truly thanking another Patel!! :) :)

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By: Love is the Law http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241487 Love is the Law Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:17:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241487 <blockquote>But I agree we should do something for the Vrindavan vasis. Do you know any charities we can donate to improve their plight ?</blockquote> <p>I wouldn't trust any "charities" in that area. Better to go there and put money directly into the hands of these women. They usually immediately buy the medicines they need with it. Or other items that they need. You can trust the women to know their own needs and spend wisely better than anyone else.</p> But I agree we should do something for the Vrindavan vasis. Do you know any charities we can donate to improve their plight ?

I wouldn’t trust any “charities” in that area. Better to go there and put money directly into the hands of these women. They usually immediately buy the medicines they need with it. Or other items that they need. You can trust the women to know their own needs and spend wisely better than anyone else.

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By: Sagarika http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241485 Sagarika Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:07:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241485 <p>Re raymond and khoofi's</p> <p>So sad that even when there is a pleasant story, sepia folk feel obliged to swear at the swarthy, unfit, sweaty uncles who were adventurous, successful and managed hardships, discrimination, failure laughingly. Their children are usually just average, provincial and insular Americans.</p> <p>Jewish and Chinese folk are unlikely to mock their community, possibly because they are smarter. Maybe if these people had been Muslim, or at least not Hindu, they would have had your approval. After reading Leaving India by Hajratwala and the treatment Indian origin kids got in parts of America for being brown, I can begin to understand why some of you hate being brown and can see nothing commendable.</p> Re raymond and khoofi’s

So sad that even when there is a pleasant story, sepia folk feel obliged to swear at the swarthy, unfit, sweaty uncles who were adventurous, successful and managed hardships, discrimination, failure laughingly. Their children are usually just average, provincial and insular Americans.

Jewish and Chinese folk are unlikely to mock their community, possibly because they are smarter. Maybe if these people had been Muslim, or at least not Hindu, they would have had your approval. After reading Leaving India by Hajratwala and the treatment Indian origin kids got in parts of America for being brown, I can begin to understand why some of you hate being brown and can see nothing commendable.

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By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241483 zee Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:04:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241483 <blockquote>The widows of West Bengal, Vrindavan UP, Varanasi and Haridwar are probably the most qualified to speak on that issue.</blockquote> <p>I was saying 'maybe'. But since you brought this up: The widows are minority (<1%) of elderly in India, whereas >90% of elderly live grudgingly in elderly facilities. But I agree we should do something for the Vrindavan vasis. Do you know any charities we can donate to improve their plight ?</p> The widows of West Bengal, Vrindavan UP, Varanasi and Haridwar are probably the most qualified to speak on that issue.

I was saying ‘maybe’. But since you brought this up: The widows are minority (<1%) of elderly in India, whereas >90% of elderly live grudgingly in elderly facilities. But I agree we should do something for the Vrindavan vasis. Do you know any charities we can donate to improve their plight ?

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By: patelmotels http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241480 patelmotels Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:53:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241480 <p>I'm a patel and I approve of this story</p> I’m a patel and I approve of this story

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By: Love is the Law http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/05/how_he_became_a/comment-page-1/#comment-241451 Love is the Law Sat, 06 Jun 2009 07:00:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5808#comment-241451 <blockquote>But maybe one thing that largely still stands in Indian community are caring and respecting the elders...maybe.</blockquote> <p>The widows of West Bengal, Vrindavan UP, Varanasi and Haridwar are probably the most qualified to speak on that issue.</p> But maybe one thing that largely still stands in Indian community are caring and respecting the elders…maybe.

The widows of West Bengal, Vrindavan UP, Varanasi and Haridwar are probably the most qualified to speak on that issue.

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