Comments on: Deccan Chargers win IPLSAE final http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: safricandesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-261986 safricandesi Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:49:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-261986 <p>@razib & @bulleh shah: Being a 1.5 gen desi living and raised in south africa, i can vouch that the cape coloureds (also known as malay) have south east asian/indian blood in them. But there are also other coloureds in the rest of south africa which are typically a genetic mix of native african and european. There are differences in features between the two like the hair, the cape coloureds usually have straighter more indian looking hair than the coloureds who have more african looking hair.</p> <p>Here in SA, anyone with mixed blood is referred to as coloured. And the rest is referred to as Indian, White (English or Afrikaner), Blacks. Very dynamic and awesome country to be in!!</p> @razib & @bulleh shah: Being a 1.5 gen desi living and raised in south africa, i can vouch that the cape coloureds (also known as malay) have south east asian/indian blood in them. But there are also other coloureds in the rest of south africa which are typically a genetic mix of native african and european. There are differences in features between the two like the hair, the cape coloureds usually have straighter more indian looking hair than the coloureds who have more african looking hair.

Here in SA, anyone with mixed blood is referred to as coloured. And the rest is referred to as Indian, White (English or Afrikaner), Blacks. Very dynamic and awesome country to be in!!

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-243005 razib Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:58:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-243005 <p><i>The indian contribution to their mix is not a "lot" by any reasonable measure.</i></p> <p>for google, this person is wrong, though they don't know as much as i do, so no worries. <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1172257">The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans</a> has data on cape coloureds. jump down to figure 6, and it is clear that cape coloureds are probably as much indian as they are european. genetically if not culturally.</p> The indian contribution to their mix is not a “lot” by any reasonable measure.

for google, this person is wrong, though they don’t know as much as i do, so no worries. The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans has data on cape coloureds. jump down to figure 6, and it is clear that cape coloureds are probably as much indian as they are european. genetically if not culturally.

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By: vivek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-240615 vivek Thu, 28 May 2009 01:36:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-240615 <p>Abhi, actually the number of eligible voters is about 700 million, and about 58% voted this time (approx. 410 million)...</p> Abhi, actually the number of eligible voters is about 700 million, and about 58% voted this time (approx. 410 million)…

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-240573 Abhi Wed, 27 May 2009 19:46:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-240573 <p>Hmmmm, so none of the stars in the final match of the indian cricket league were indians; and the tournament had to be held in South Africa because <b>India is incapable of providing security</b></p> <p>Well, The recent Indian election have 550 million voters, 55-58% average vote, that is more than 300 million legal votes. 2 million government officials were working especially for election, 200,000 military/CRPF were deployed in 7 phases of the election. And not all the votes were electronic. So just think how big the democratic process of India is.</p> <pre><code> I'm avid cricket fan but who cares about it. Please tell me one single un-developed country that has maintained democracy for more than 60+ years (barring 6 month emergency). May be cricket will never become soccer or NFL. But democracy is the single biggest achievement of INDIA. </code></pre> Hmmmm, so none of the stars in the final match of the indian cricket league were indians; and the tournament had to be held in South Africa because India is incapable of providing security

Well, The recent Indian election have 550 million voters, 55-58% average vote, that is more than 300 million legal votes. 2 million government officials were working especially for election, 200,000 military/CRPF were deployed in 7 phases of the election. And not all the votes were electronic. So just think how big the democratic process of India is.

        I'm avid cricket fan but who cares about it. Please tell me one single un-developed country that has maintained democracy for more than 60+ years (barring 6 month emergency). May be cricket will never become soccer or NFL. But democracy is the single biggest achievement of INDIA. 
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By: CisternaChyli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-240572 CisternaChyli Wed, 27 May 2009 19:39:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-240572 <p>it was so sad how bangalore lost :(</p> it was so sad how bangalore lost :(

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By: DC Fan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-240391 DC Fan Tue, 26 May 2009 10:55:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-240391 <p>@ CMF Post #10</p> <p>The Deccan chargers represent Hyderabad.</p> @ CMF Post #10

The Deccan chargers represent Hyderabad.

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By: bulleh shah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-240365 bulleh shah Mon, 25 May 2009 23:55:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-240365 <blockquote>as i said the average coloured as a lot of indian ancestry anyhow.</blockquote> <p>What you said is wrong. The south african "coloureds" are primarily a mix of european and african. The indian contribution to their mix is not a "lot" by any reasonable measure. The malays in South Africa were also classified as coloureds in the apartheid system while the japanese, taiwanese and koreans were treated as "honorary whites". Indians had a separate classification:</p> <p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_South_Africans</p> <p><i>During ideological apartheid from 1948-1994, Indians were called, and often voluntarily accepted, terms that ranged from "Black" to "Asians" to "Indians." Some citizens believed that these terms were improvements on the negatively defined identity of "Non-White", which was their previous status. Politically conscious and nationalistic Indian South Africans wanted to show both their heritage and their local roots. Increasingly they self-identified as "African", "Black", "South African" and, when necessary, "Indian South Africans"...................Discriminated against by apartheid legislation, such as the Group Areas Act, applied in 1950, Indians were forcibly moved into Indian townships, and had their movements restricted. They were not allowed to reside in the Orange Free State, and needed special permission to enter that province. They were also, as a matter of state policy, given an inferior education compared to white South Africans.</i></p> as i said the average coloured as a lot of indian ancestry anyhow.

What you said is wrong. The south african “coloureds” are primarily a mix of european and african. The indian contribution to their mix is not a “lot” by any reasonable measure. The malays in South Africa were also classified as coloureds in the apartheid system while the japanese, taiwanese and koreans were treated as “honorary whites”. Indians had a separate classification:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_South_Africans

During ideological apartheid from 1948-1994, Indians were called, and often voluntarily accepted, terms that ranged from “Black” to “Asians” to “Indians.” Some citizens believed that these terms were improvements on the negatively defined identity of “Non-White”, which was their previous status. Politically conscious and nationalistic Indian South Africans wanted to show both their heritage and their local roots. Increasingly they self-identified as “African”, “Black”, “South African” and, when necessary, “Indian South Africans”……………….Discriminated against by apartheid legislation, such as the Group Areas Act, applied in 1950, Indians were forcibly moved into Indian townships, and had their movements restricted. They were not allowed to reside in the Orange Free State, and needed special permission to enter that province. They were also, as a matter of state policy, given an inferior education compared to white South Africans.

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-240357 razib Mon, 25 May 2009 22:35:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-240357 <p><i>They should also complain about all the people who refer to Obama as African-American</i></p> <p>obama isn't south african. in any case, coloured is a cultural as well a a biological group. they speak afrikaans and tend to be dutch reformed, aside from the cape malays who are muslim. in any case, as i said the average coloured as a lot of indian ancestry anyhow.</p> They should also complain about all the people who refer to Obama as African-American

obama isn’t south african. in any case, coloured is a cultural as well a a biological group. they speak afrikaans and tend to be dutch reformed, aside from the cape malays who are muslim. in any case, as i said the average coloured as a lot of indian ancestry anyhow.

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By: libran http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-240356 libran Mon, 25 May 2009 22:28:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-240356 <p>This edition of the IPL coincided with the national elections in India, and the govt. felt that it could not provide security for both. I suspect that most people thought that holding the elections had somewhat higher priority.</p> This edition of the IPL coincided with the national elections in India, and the govt. felt that it could not provide security for both. I suspect that most people thought that holding the elections had somewhat higher priority.

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By: CMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/24/deccan_chargers/comment-page-1/#comment-240323 CMF Mon, 25 May 2009 17:28:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5789#comment-240323 <p>Do the Deccan Chargers represent a city? If so, which one?</p> Do the Deccan Chargers represent a city? If so, which one?

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