Comments on: Where’s That Bleaching Cream? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: findm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-266819 findm Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:45:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-266819 <p>Skin lightening-bleaching cream-skin whitening-fade cream. Don't bleach your skin until you read this.</p> Skin lightening-bleaching cream-skin whitening-fade cream. Don’t bleach your skin until you read this.

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By: ABK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-240580 ABK Wed, 27 May 2009 20:43:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-240580 <p>With two or three entire generations of people who grew up AFTER colonialism was long gone and subsequently started losing their self-hatred, doesn't it seem like things might slowly be changing? Would Bipasha Basu be considered a "bombshell" by the media, or Kajol have been a "superstar" 30 years ago? Even arty actress Nandita Das is considered beautiful by the mainstream. I think in previous times, those gorgeous "dark-skinned" actresses may not have been given the chance to change the ideal perception of beauty in India, which was based on thousands of years of conquest by lighter and lighter-skinned invaders. Yes, unfortunately they still do sell Fair & Lovely, but I personally don't know of any relatives or friends in India who use it...except my grandmothers who grew up during the Raj.</p> With two or three entire generations of people who grew up AFTER colonialism was long gone and subsequently started losing their self-hatred, doesn’t it seem like things might slowly be changing? Would Bipasha Basu be considered a “bombshell” by the media, or Kajol have been a “superstar” 30 years ago? Even arty actress Nandita Das is considered beautiful by the mainstream. I think in previous times, those gorgeous “dark-skinned” actresses may not have been given the chance to change the ideal perception of beauty in India, which was based on thousands of years of conquest by lighter and lighter-skinned invaders. Yes, unfortunately they still do sell Fair & Lovely, but I personally don’t know of any relatives or friends in India who use it…except my grandmothers who grew up during the Raj.

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By: Pind to Ghetto http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-240498 Pind to Ghetto Wed, 27 May 2009 01:43:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-240498 <p>I'm watching a Gandhi documentary on <a href="http://www.globalone.tv/">http://www.globalone.tv/</a> with tears in eyes.</p> <p>The concept that the British are not our enemies but our friends and we must liberate them along with us. That is, liberate them from the prison of their own minds which makes them think they are rulers over others.</p> <p>There are no villians or victims. Is just is.</p> <p>As long as one of us are bound, we are all bound. None can be freed until all are freed.</p> <p>We need someone like this now, here, and everywhere. A type of social bodhisattva</p> <p>Usher in the age of aquarius.</p> I’m watching a Gandhi documentary on http://www.globalone.tv/ with tears in eyes.

The concept that the British are not our enemies but our friends and we must liberate them along with us. That is, liberate them from the prison of their own minds which makes them think they are rulers over others.

There are no villians or victims. Is just is.

As long as one of us are bound, we are all bound. None can be freed until all are freed.

We need someone like this now, here, and everywhere. A type of social bodhisattva

Usher in the age of aquarius.

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By: suman http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-240497 suman Wed, 27 May 2009 01:23:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-240497 <blockquote>3 · Catholic Guilt on May 24, 2009 12:07 AM · Direct link watching the kids with the dolls at the end was just crushing. </blockquote> <p>I totally agree. my eyes start tearing up everytime the little girl says she looks like the black doll even though she has picked the white one as the nice one.</p> 3 · Catholic Guilt on May 24, 2009 12:07 AM · Direct link watching the kids with the dolls at the end was just crushing.

I totally agree. my eyes start tearing up everytime the little girl says she looks like the black doll even though she has picked the white one as the nice one.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-240411 Yoga Fire Tue, 26 May 2009 19:23:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-240411 <blockquote>I.e., I might, through cultivation, building roads and dams, etc. (the so-called "mixing" of labor with the land), be able to establish legitimate rights in 10% of my island, but my claim on the remaining 90% is problematic when hordes of refugees show up! So, even the Native Americans may have taken "too much" if they claim legitimate holdings in all of the Americas.</blockquote> <p>By that logic we'd be rescinding out claims to any national parks or preserves because we're not "improving" them.</p> <p>Of course the entire rationale behind leaving natural preserves is that mankind cannot improve upon them and any attempts to try will only mar their pristine beauty.</p> I.e., I might, through cultivation, building roads and dams, etc. (the so-called “mixing” of labor with the land), be able to establish legitimate rights in 10% of my island, but my claim on the remaining 90% is problematic when hordes of refugees show up! So, even the Native Americans may have taken “too much” if they claim legitimate holdings in all of the Americas.

By that logic we’d be rescinding out claims to any national parks or preserves because we’re not “improving” them.

Of course the entire rationale behind leaving natural preserves is that mankind cannot improve upon them and any attempts to try will only mar their pristine beauty.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-240408 rob Tue, 26 May 2009 19:12:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-240408 <p>ak, Well, one nice example that has the result of problematizing nearly all claims to legitimate holdings in (real) property would be Locke's proviso that one leave "as much and as good" behind. I.e., I might, through cultivation, building roads and dams, etc. (the so-called "mixing" of labor with the land), be able to establish legitimate rights in 10% of my island, but my claim on the remaining 90% is problematic when hordes of refugees show up! So, even the Native Americans may have taken "too much" if they claim legitimate holdings in all of the Americas. Ultimately, it's really difficult to justify wide-ranging claims to land (which somewhat uncomfortably puts us in some sort of pragmatic zone where appeals to principle are illegitimate when we have multiple groups contesting)--Nozick, for example, explicitly avoids defining principles of acquisition, and ridicules Locke by pointing out that "mixing" his glass of orange juice with the ocean doesn't give him ownership of the sea; it just means he lost his glass of juice. ;-)</p> ak, Well, one nice example that has the result of problematizing nearly all claims to legitimate holdings in (real) property would be Locke’s proviso that one leave “as much and as good” behind. I.e., I might, through cultivation, building roads and dams, etc. (the so-called “mixing” of labor with the land), be able to establish legitimate rights in 10% of my island, but my claim on the remaining 90% is problematic when hordes of refugees show up! So, even the Native Americans may have taken “too much” if they claim legitimate holdings in all of the Americas. Ultimately, it’s really difficult to justify wide-ranging claims to land (which somewhat uncomfortably puts us in some sort of pragmatic zone where appeals to principle are illegitimate when we have multiple groups contesting)–Nozick, for example, explicitly avoids defining principles of acquisition, and ridicules Locke by pointing out that “mixing” his glass of orange juice with the ocean doesn’t give him ownership of the sea; it just means he lost his glass of juice. ;-)

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By: ak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-240395 ak Tue, 26 May 2009 17:58:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-240395 <blockquote>Why couldn't our parents who left India instead of move to some great places instead like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, or Bangladesh. For one thing there are very few white people there, plus those places would have welcomed us with open arms and should for any unseen reason we experience any prejudice, those countries have many things set up for us to deal with the very rare racist remark we would experience there and the governments are known for treating people from India like they are part of there own family.</blockquote> <p>not sure if you were being facetious, but it seems like indians might be at more of a disadvantage in some of those countries than in the western countries you named. your argument is couched in terms of race, but there are several other factors upon which inequality can be based. for instance, you've named 5 islamic countries,under many of whose laws non-muslims are just not treated with the same rights as muslims. i'm glad my parents moved me to a country where i actually have a CHANCE at equal rights. not to mention, quite frankly, that as imperfect as the legal rights systems are in the western countries you named, they are based,to a great extent, on a theory of equality. even if that is not always played out, it's better than a system that starts off with inequality or does not hold itself up to such a standard in practise.</p> Why couldn’t our parents who left India instead of move to some great places instead like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, or Bangladesh. For one thing there are very few white people there, plus those places would have welcomed us with open arms and should for any unseen reason we experience any prejudice, those countries have many things set up for us to deal with the very rare racist remark we would experience there and the governments are known for treating people from India like they are part of there own family.

not sure if you were being facetious, but it seems like indians might be at more of a disadvantage in some of those countries than in the western countries you named. your argument is couched in terms of race, but there are several other factors upon which inequality can be based. for instance, you’ve named 5 islamic countries,under many of whose laws non-muslims are just not treated with the same rights as muslims. i’m glad my parents moved me to a country where i actually have a CHANCE at equal rights. not to mention, quite frankly, that as imperfect as the legal rights systems are in the western countries you named, they are based,to a great extent, on a theory of equality. even if that is not always played out, it’s better than a system that starts off with inequality or does not hold itself up to such a standard in practise.

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By: ak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-240394 ak Tue, 26 May 2009 17:46:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-240394 <blockquote>It might be that they have a plausible claim, but the underlying theory of legitimacy in property acquisition and transfer needs to be laid out; it's not enough to (just) point to occupation of land for some generations to say your claim is better than somebody's else.</blockquote> <p>rob, can you expand? i was discussing the israel-palestine conflict with a (jewish) colleague and his view was that israel had a legitimate claim to the land because they conquered it through war.although, he also brought up the "chosen people" argument, as well. you, however, indicate that you don't necessarily agree israel has a legitimate claim, either. i often think about the legitimacy issue when e.g.looking at the history of the U.S., and sometimes, i really think none of us (except native americans) has a true right to be here (esp.when somebody tells me to "go back to india").</p> It might be that they have a plausible claim, but the underlying theory of legitimacy in property acquisition and transfer needs to be laid out; it’s not enough to (just) point to occupation of land for some generations to say your claim is better than somebody’s else.

rob, can you expand? i was discussing the israel-palestine conflict with a (jewish) colleague and his view was that israel had a legitimate claim to the land because they conquered it through war.although, he also brought up the “chosen people” argument, as well. you, however, indicate that you don’t necessarily agree israel has a legitimate claim, either. i often think about the legitimacy issue when e.g.looking at the history of the U.S., and sometimes, i really think none of us (except native americans) has a true right to be here (esp.when somebody tells me to “go back to india”).

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By: TTCUSM http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-240393 TTCUSM Tue, 26 May 2009 17:39:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-240393 <p>Suki Dillon wrote:</p> <blockquote>Why couldn't our parents who left India instead of move to some great places instead like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, or Bangladesh. For one thing there are very few white people there</blockquote> <p>You mean very few <i>European</i> people. All of the countries you listed (except for Bangladesh) are populated by Arabs and Scythians, who consider themselves to be "white."</p> Suki Dillon wrote:

Why couldn’t our parents who left India instead of move to some great places instead like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, or Bangladesh. For one thing there are very few white people there

You mean very few European people. All of the countries you listed (except for Bangladesh) are populated by Arabs and Scythians, who consider themselves to be “white.”

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/23/wheres_that_ble/comment-page-2/#comment-240390 Suki Dillon Tue, 26 May 2009 10:01:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5787#comment-240390 <p><i>i do wish that people could engage in anti-prejudice and anti-racism consciousness raising without being anti-white. just because you think black or brown is beautiful doesn't mean that white isn't alright.</i></p> <p>But whitey is evil. Most people here blame whitey when they really should being blaming there parents for immigrating to these god awful place like Canada, United States, United Kingdom, Australia or some of the other Western European Countries. What were they thinking when they chose to move to places where evil whitey made up the majority of the population. It sad many of us had grow up in these hellholes.</p> <p>Why couldn't our parents who left India instead of move to some great places instead like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, or Bangladesh. For one thing there are very few white people there, plus those places would have welcomed us with open arms and should for any unseen reason we experience any prejudice, those countries have many things set up for us to deal with the very rare racist remark we would experience there and the governments are known for treating people from India like they are part of there own family.</p> i do wish that people could engage in anti-prejudice and anti-racism consciousness raising without being anti-white. just because you think black or brown is beautiful doesn’t mean that white isn’t alright.

But whitey is evil. Most people here blame whitey when they really should being blaming there parents for immigrating to these god awful place like Canada, United States, United Kingdom, Australia or some of the other Western European Countries. What were they thinking when they chose to move to places where evil whitey made up the majority of the population. It sad many of us had grow up in these hellholes.

Why couldn’t our parents who left India instead of move to some great places instead like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, or Bangladesh. For one thing there are very few white people there, plus those places would have welcomed us with open arms and should for any unseen reason we experience any prejudice, those countries have many things set up for us to deal with the very rare racist remark we would experience there and the governments are known for treating people from India like they are part of there own family.

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