Comments on: ‘It doesn’t solve anything’ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Lupus Solitarius http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-240155 Lupus Solitarius Sat, 23 May 2009 02:26:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-240155 <p>Malathi, Thanks for the excellent link-</p> <p>Lupus</p> Malathi, Thanks for the excellent link-

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-240153 Neena Sat, 23 May 2009 01:40:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-240153 <p>This is so wrong -</p> <blockquote>A number of children in camps for people displaced by Sri Lanka's Tamil conflict have been abducted, international human rights groups say. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8060564.stm">Source</a></blockquote> This is so wrong -

A number of children in camps for people displaced by Sri Lanka’s Tamil conflict have been abducted, international human rights groups say. Source
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By: Nux2 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-240096 Nux2 Fri, 22 May 2009 07:57:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-240096 <h1>33, I just wanted to clarify a few things in your understanding, my comments are in italics below, hope it's helpful:</h1> <blockquote>I'm trying to understand this whole SL conflict. This is what I know/think I know: 1. There are 2 populations of Tamils in SL: An ancient and indigenous community who has been there for thousands of years; and another new community that's been there since after 1860 due to the British. 2. The Sinhalese SL started discriminating against the "new wave" of Tamils, because these Tamils had very good jobs, were over-represented in the colleges, corporations, etc. This happened in '53 after the death of one of the SL prime ministers. After this leader's death in '53, his wife started discriminating against the Tamils. </blockquote> <p><i>- The Tamils affected were the "old school ones" for the reasons you've identified. The "new wave" faced significant discrimination too, but in different forms, like loss of citizenship etc. Reading some of the background materials here would be useful. The conflict predates '53, but you're right in that significant radicalization of the political sphere occurred around then, not in '53 itself, really in the mid to late 50s. </i></p> <blockquote>3. The Tamil Muslims do *NOT* involve themselves in this civil war.</blockquote> <ul> <li><i>they've had to become involved, mostly as affected individuals, unfortunately due to some terrible events</i></li> </ul> <blockquote>4. There are no Tamil Brahmins in SL. </blockquote> <ul> <li><i>not true. There are, just not in the same numbers as Indians. Don't really understand the focus on Brahmins, but anyway</i></li> </ul> <blockquote>5. Indian Tamil Brahmins do *NOT* support the SL Tamil's movement.</blockquote> <p><i> - blanket statement, certainly not true among many people I know</i></p> <blockquote>6. Things in SL really came to a boil in July '83. HORRIBLE things happened to Tamils at this time, and I've seen pictures and read documents about this. 7. The Tamils did horrible things to the Sinhalese, such as blow up parts of a very holy Buddhist Temple and leaders and civilians. Moreover, a Tamil Christian killed Rajiv Gandhi. From my perspective, I believe that Sinhalese are wonderful and peace-loving people. I also get the impression that they've done their best for peace (I could be wrong).</blockquote> <p>-<i>Most people are peace-loving. That doesn't mean they can't get co-opted by ethnic ideologues. And that doesn't mean peace happens</i></p> <blockquote>What do you think about all this? Are the Tamils still being discriminated against? I personally am confused about a new immigrant wanting their own homeland. This smacks of expansionism.</blockquote> <p><i>The war and its aftermath (<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/05/21/sri-lanka-tamils052109.html">1000 people have died since the war "ended"</a>), as well as the daily <a href="http://blacklightarrow.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/two-thousand-bucks-for-a-suicide-bomber/">humiliation</a> faced by Tamils in the south of Sri Lanka, among other things, is a testament to the ongoing discrimination. As for your last comment, I suspect that was due to your initial understanding of the issue. Just as an FYI, Sri Lanka as a modern unitary territory emerged only in 1802 when the British created their first Crown colony unifying two Sinhala kingdoms: Kandy and Kotte, and the Tamil kingdom of Jaffna</i></p> 33, I just wanted to clarify a few things in your understanding, my comments are in italics below, hope it’s helpful:
I’m trying to understand this whole SL conflict. This is what I know/think I know: 1. There are 2 populations of Tamils in SL: An ancient and indigenous community who has been there for thousands of years; and another new community that’s been there since after 1860 due to the British. 2. The Sinhalese SL started discriminating against the “new wave” of Tamils, because these Tamils had very good jobs, were over-represented in the colleges, corporations, etc. This happened in ’53 after the death of one of the SL prime ministers. After this leader’s death in ’53, his wife started discriminating against the Tamils.

- The Tamils affected were the “old school ones” for the reasons you’ve identified. The “new wave” faced significant discrimination too, but in different forms, like loss of citizenship etc. Reading some of the background materials here would be useful. The conflict predates ’53, but you’re right in that significant radicalization of the political sphere occurred around then, not in ’53 itself, really in the mid to late 50s.

3. The Tamil Muslims do *NOT* involve themselves in this civil war.
  • they’ve had to become involved, mostly as affected individuals, unfortunately due to some terrible events
4. There are no Tamil Brahmins in SL.
  • not true. There are, just not in the same numbers as Indians. Don’t really understand the focus on Brahmins, but anyway
5. Indian Tamil Brahmins do *NOT* support the SL Tamil’s movement.

– blanket statement, certainly not true among many people I know

6. Things in SL really came to a boil in July ’83. HORRIBLE things happened to Tamils at this time, and I’ve seen pictures and read documents about this. 7. The Tamils did horrible things to the Sinhalese, such as blow up parts of a very holy Buddhist Temple and leaders and civilians. Moreover, a Tamil Christian killed Rajiv Gandhi. From my perspective, I believe that Sinhalese are wonderful and peace-loving people. I also get the impression that they’ve done their best for peace (I could be wrong).

-Most people are peace-loving. That doesn’t mean they can’t get co-opted by ethnic ideologues. And that doesn’t mean peace happens

What do you think about all this? Are the Tamils still being discriminated against? I personally am confused about a new immigrant wanting their own homeland. This smacks of expansionism.

The war and its aftermath (1000 people have died since the war “ended”), as well as the daily humiliation faced by Tamils in the south of Sri Lanka, among other things, is a testament to the ongoing discrimination. As for your last comment, I suspect that was due to your initial understanding of the issue. Just as an FYI, Sri Lanka as a modern unitary territory emerged only in 1802 when the British created their first Crown colony unifying two Sinhala kingdoms: Kandy and Kotte, and the Tamil kingdom of Jaffna

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By: indiangalfromsiliconvalley http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-240095 indiangalfromsiliconvalley Fri, 22 May 2009 07:16:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-240095 <p>The majority of tamilians in Srilanka are people who settled in Srilanka from 10th century. infact when this conflict started, the tamils british brought as tea plantation workers were discriminated by the local tamilians!</p> The majority of tamilians in Srilanka are people who settled in Srilanka from 10th century. infact when this conflict started, the tamils british brought as tea plantation workers were discriminated by the local tamilians!

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By: Malathi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-240094 Malathi Fri, 22 May 2009 06:40:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-240094 <p>Wait, SS and SH do not give enough of a background in their blogs. <a href="http://www.sangam.org/ANALYSIS/AsiaTimes.htm">Here is something that will keep you occupied for the entire weekend.</a></p> <p>Disclaimer: I don't know who K.T.Rajasingham is (i.e., I don't know his politics, if any) but having come upon his unfinished book by chance, I was intrigued by his style of writing and impressed by the detailed references he provides. A search for his name on google indicates that he is a journalist and that he frequenly comes under fire by Tamil sites. (In fact, he seems to be hated with a mind-boggling intensity.) Yet Sangam.org carries links to more of his chapters than Asia Times online. (I was not familiar with these sites previously.)</p> <p>Yet the book draws me and the fact that it seems unfinished is intriguing. I found several historic facts, incidents and post-1983 details credible (i.e., in line with what I knew and had learnt). And he certainly did not shy away from criticizing the LTTE.</p> Wait, SS and SH do not give enough of a background in their blogs. Here is something that will keep you occupied for the entire weekend.

Disclaimer: I don’t know who K.T.Rajasingham is (i.e., I don’t know his politics, if any) but having come upon his unfinished book by chance, I was intrigued by his style of writing and impressed by the detailed references he provides. A search for his name on google indicates that he is a journalist and that he frequenly comes under fire by Tamil sites. (In fact, he seems to be hated with a mind-boggling intensity.) Yet Sangam.org carries links to more of his chapters than Asia Times online. (I was not familiar with these sites previously.)

Yet the book draws me and the fact that it seems unfinished is intriguing. I found several historic facts, incidents and post-1983 details credible (i.e., in line with what I knew and had learnt). And he certainly did not shy away from criticizing the LTTE.

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By: Deeper Background http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-240090 Deeper Background Fri, 22 May 2009 04:37:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-240090 <p>I found these two blog-posts on IBNLive (by Subramanian Swamy and Suhasini Haidar, who, as it turns out, is also his daughter) extremely insightful. They provide detailed background on the history of the Sri Lankan-Tamil conflict, the role of India, and particularly on Prabhakaran, that I found very useful:</p> <p>Subramanian Swamy's blog: <a href="http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/dr.subramanianswamy/2406/53544/sri-lanka-postltte.html"><b>Sri Lanka Post-LTTE</b></a></p> <p>Suhasini Haidar's blog: <a href="http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/suhasinihaidar/218/53548/the-guns-are-silent.html"><b>The Guns are Silent</b></a></p> I found these two blog-posts on IBNLive (by Subramanian Swamy and Suhasini Haidar, who, as it turns out, is also his daughter) extremely insightful. They provide detailed background on the history of the Sri Lankan-Tamil conflict, the role of India, and particularly on Prabhakaran, that I found very useful:

Subramanian Swamy’s blog: Sri Lanka Post-LTTE

Suhasini Haidar’s blog: The Guns are Silent

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By: S Kumar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239981 S Kumar Thu, 21 May 2009 07:37:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-239981 <ul> <li>Tamilians do not have Unity. They are divided by Caste and money</li> <li>Tamilians do not have a common goal. Sitham pokku Sivam Pokku</li> <li>Any body can kill a tamilian and nobody can do anything about it</li> <li>Tamilians vote in Tamilnadu - Rs. 500</li> <li>Tamilians Life in Srilanka - Rs 0.00</li> <li>Shameful Tamilians will celebrate the killing of another Tamilian</li> <li>Majority Sinhalese killed innocent minority Tamilians. Tamilians went on hunger strike and protested peacefully. Sinhalese still killed Tamilians. So What should Tamilians do? Start LTTE I guess</li> <li>Unless Tamilians are economically strong nobody is going to bother killing Tamilians. All the poor Tamilians will be considered dead weight to earth and will be killed. International community will do nothing about it because there is no leverage</li> </ul>
  • Tamilians do not have Unity. They are divided by Caste and money
  • Tamilians do not have a common goal. Sitham pokku Sivam Pokku
  • Any body can kill a tamilian and nobody can do anything about it
  • Tamilians vote in Tamilnadu – Rs. 500
  • Tamilians Life in Srilanka – Rs 0.00
  • Shameful Tamilians will celebrate the killing of another Tamilian
  • Majority Sinhalese killed innocent minority Tamilians. Tamilians went on hunger strike and protested peacefully. Sinhalese still killed Tamilians. So What should Tamilians do? Start LTTE I guess
  • Unless Tamilians are economically strong nobody is going to bother killing Tamilians. All the poor Tamilians will be considered dead weight to earth and will be killed. International community will do nothing about it because there is no leverage
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    By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239976 boston_mahesh Thu, 21 May 2009 06:57:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-239976 <p>I'm trying to understand this whole SL conflict. This is what I know/think I know: 1. There are 2 populations of Tamils in SL: An ancient and indigenous community who has been there for thousands of years; and another new community that's been there since after 1860 due to the British.<br /> 2. The Sinhalese SL started discriminating against the "new wave" of Tamils, because these Tamils had very good jobs, were over-represented in the colleges, corporations, etc. This happened in '53 after the death of one of the SL prime ministers. After this leader's death in '53, his wife started discriminating against the Tamils. 3. The Tamil Muslims do <em>NOT</em> involve themselves in this civil war.<br /> 4. There are no Tamil Brahmins in SL. 5. Indian Tamil Brahmins do <em>NOT</em> support the SL Tamil's movement. 6. Things in SL really came to a boil in July '83. HORRIBLE things happened to Tamils at this time, and I've seen pictures and read documents about this. 7. The Tamils did horrible things to the Sinhalese, such as blow up parts of a very holy Buddhist Temple and leaders and civilians. Moreover, a Tamil Christian killed Rajiv Gandhi.</p> <p>From my perspective, I believe that Sinhalese are wonderful and peace-loving people. I also get the impression that they've done their best for peace (I could be wrong).</p> <p>What do you think about all this? Are the Tamils still being discriminated against?</p> <p>I personally am confused about a new immigrant wanting their own homeland. This smacks of expansionism.</p> I’m trying to understand this whole SL conflict. This is what I know/think I know: 1. There are 2 populations of Tamils in SL: An ancient and indigenous community who has been there for thousands of years; and another new community that’s been there since after 1860 due to the British.
    2. The Sinhalese SL started discriminating against the “new wave” of Tamils, because these Tamils had very good jobs, were over-represented in the colleges, corporations, etc. This happened in ’53 after the death of one of the SL prime ministers. After this leader’s death in ’53, his wife started discriminating against the Tamils. 3. The Tamil Muslims do NOT involve themselves in this civil war.
    4. There are no Tamil Brahmins in SL. 5. Indian Tamil Brahmins do NOT support the SL Tamil’s movement. 6. Things in SL really came to a boil in July ’83. HORRIBLE things happened to Tamils at this time, and I’ve seen pictures and read documents about this. 7. The Tamils did horrible things to the Sinhalese, such as blow up parts of a very holy Buddhist Temple and leaders and civilians. Moreover, a Tamil Christian killed Rajiv Gandhi.

    From my perspective, I believe that Sinhalese are wonderful and peace-loving people. I also get the impression that they’ve done their best for peace (I could be wrong).

    What do you think about all this? Are the Tamils still being discriminated against?

    I personally am confused about a new immigrant wanting their own homeland. This smacks of expansionism.

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    By: Malathi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239973 Malathi Thu, 21 May 2009 06:18:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-239973 <p>Those that I know who lost husbands and children, fathers and uncles, role models and mentors, friends and family, either due to Prabhakaran's wrath or due to SriLankan government's tactics, don't exhibit the same amount of hatred and contempt as some commenters do here. First of all, people who experienced true personal loss and mourning seem to have little energy left with which to hate after all these years. Second of all, to hate is to seem too simple.</p> <p>On a lighter note: Nayagan, don't forget the earlier alias or nickname for Prabhakaran -- 'thamby' (younger brother). It is interesting that the only person 'thalaivar' supposedly thought worthy of appeasing was 'puratchi thalaivar' (revolutionary leader) MGR.</p> Those that I know who lost husbands and children, fathers and uncles, role models and mentors, friends and family, either due to Prabhakaran’s wrath or due to SriLankan government’s tactics, don’t exhibit the same amount of hatred and contempt as some commenters do here. First of all, people who experienced true personal loss and mourning seem to have little energy left with which to hate after all these years. Second of all, to hate is to seem too simple.

    On a lighter note: Nayagan, don’t forget the earlier alias or nickname for Prabhakaran — ‘thamby’ (younger brother). It is interesting that the only person ‘thalaivar’ supposedly thought worthy of appeasing was ‘puratchi thalaivar’ (revolutionary leader) MGR.

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    By: Janaka http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/18/it_doesnt_solve_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239903 Janaka Wed, 20 May 2009 04:00:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5776#comment-239903 <blockquote>At any rate, I hope that the stories that he's a Christian are true, just so that he'll be buried, and then I can piss on his grave. If he's cremated I can't do that.</blockquote> <p>Ya, he's a converted christian and the Norwegians (and the West) are his protectors; that's why there's so much heartache in the western press over their dream of a Christian East Timor in th South vanishing into smoke. But, rest assured, the crack dreams of Caldwell and Mueller are going to cause much more havoc in India itself before final resolution (hopefully in our favor)......</p> At any rate, I hope that the stories that he’s a Christian are true, just so that he’ll be buried, and then I can piss on his grave. If he’s cremated I can’t do that.

    Ya, he’s a converted christian and the Norwegians (and the West) are his protectors; that’s why there’s so much heartache in the western press over their dream of a Christian East Timor in th South vanishing into smoke. But, rest assured, the crack dreams of Caldwell and Mueller are going to cause much more havoc in India itself before final resolution (hopefully in our favor)……

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