Comments on: An email that a-tax us http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239418 zee Thu, 14 May 2009 16:43:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239418 <p>Thanks for posting about this tax issue: I was a bit worried. But seriously the tax system in India must be revamped: First of all they should make it easlier (the current adm has made it even more complicated), and there should be a method the persistent and all-pervading tax-dodgers (mostly businessmen and doctors with private practice).</p> Thanks for posting about this tax issue: I was a bit worried. But seriously the tax system in India must be revamped: First of all they should make it easlier (the current adm has made it even more complicated), and there should be a method the persistent and all-pervading tax-dodgers (mostly businessmen and doctors with private practice).

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By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239417 zee Thu, 14 May 2009 16:37:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239417 <blockquote><blockquote> They have enjoyed the benefit of being the small minority getting fancy degrees from good universities in India which are financed by the state at the cost of neglecting the elementary educational needs of the hundreds of millions of poor in India. </blockquote> You are right about the state financing universities, though government subsidies have been on a decreasing trend, and alumnis do contribute these days to IITs at least.</blockquote> <p>In fact, a <a href="http://www.ibef.org/artdisplay.aspx?cat_id=924&art_id=20893">study </a>has shown that IITians contribute Rs 20 lakh crore to the Indian economy :that is Rs 15 for every Rs spent on them and that each IIT graduate meant 100 new jobs. I haven't read the report myself, but it might be difficult to fudge such big numbers.</p>
They have enjoyed the benefit of being the small minority getting fancy degrees from good universities in India which are financed by the state at the cost of neglecting the elementary educational needs of the hundreds of millions of poor in India.
You are right about the state financing universities, though government subsidies have been on a decreasing trend, and alumnis do contribute these days to IITs at least.

In fact, a study has shown that IITians contribute Rs 20 lakh crore to the Indian economy :that is Rs 15 for every Rs spent on them and that each IIT graduate meant 100 new jobs. I haven’t read the report myself, but it might be difficult to fudge such big numbers.

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By: Rama http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239407 Rama Thu, 14 May 2009 11:01:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239407 <blockquote>They have enjoyed the benefit of being the small minority getting fancy degrees from good universities in India which are financed by the state at the cost of neglecting the elementary educational needs of the hundreds of millions of poor in India. </blockquote> <p>You are right about the state financing universities, though government subsidies have been on a decreasing trend, and alumnis do contribute these days to IITs at least. But there are very few such universities, and the amount spent on them IMHO would be miniscule compared to the cost of educating the entire youth of the country. I don't think you can blame these subsidies for "neglecting the elementary educational needs of the hundreds of millions of poor in India". The "elementary educational needs" are denied simply because India is still a very poor country with very poor infrastructure and there is corruption at every level of government.</p> They have enjoyed the benefit of being the small minority getting fancy degrees from good universities in India which are financed by the state at the cost of neglecting the elementary educational needs of the hundreds of millions of poor in India.

You are right about the state financing universities, though government subsidies have been on a decreasing trend, and alumnis do contribute these days to IITs at least. But there are very few such universities, and the amount spent on them IMHO would be miniscule compared to the cost of educating the entire youth of the country. I don’t think you can blame these subsidies for “neglecting the elementary educational needs of the hundreds of millions of poor in India”. The “elementary educational needs” are denied simply because India is still a very poor country with very poor infrastructure and there is corruption at every level of government.

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By: Pooj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239390 Pooj Thu, 14 May 2009 05:37:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239390 <p>As an NRI I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to this, if it were true. I also believe in voting rights for NRIs, and I think the two go hand-in-hand. The right to vote along with the responsibility of contributing.</p> As an NRI I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to this, if it were true. I also believe in voting rights for NRIs, and I think the two go hand-in-hand. The right to vote along with the responsibility of contributing.

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By: libran http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239384 libran Thu, 14 May 2009 01:54:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239384 <p>I think the operative phrase is that if you "hold an Indian passport", then you would be taxed, which is OK. As #1 and 8 pointed out US taxes her citizens' world-wide income, so why not India. India kisi se kum nahin ;-)</p> <p>With the US however, you can get credit for tax paid to a foreign country, so it's not really double taxation. I don't know what the Indian rule will be...</p> I think the operative phrase is that if you “hold an Indian passport”, then you would be taxed, which is OK. As #1 and 8 pointed out US taxes her citizens’ world-wide income, so why not India. India kisi se kum nahin ;-)

With the US however, you can get credit for tax paid to a foreign country, so it’s not really double taxation. I don’t know what the Indian rule will be…

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By: Samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239376 Samir Wed, 13 May 2009 22:23:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239376 <blockquote>NRI refers to Indians living abroad, not to people of Indian origin born and raised abroad who are citizens and residents of their home countries. The term "non-resident" implies that you could have been or once were "resident" in India. Look at it this way, if you have to get a visa to enter India, then you are not an NRI.</blockquote> <p>NRI = Indian citizen who lives out side India for more than 182 days between 1st April and 31st March. You can be born anywhere say UAE, if you are an Indian Citizen and satisy the residence conditions you are a NRI</p> <p>Not Ordinarily Resident - An individual, who is defined as Resident in a given financial year is said to be "not Ordinarily Resident" in any previous year if he has been a Non-Resident in India nine out of the 10 preceding previous years or he has during the seven preceding previous years been in India for a period of, or periods amounting in all to, 729 days or less.</p> NRI refers to Indians living abroad, not to people of Indian origin born and raised abroad who are citizens and residents of their home countries. The term “non-resident” implies that you could have been or once were “resident” in India. Look at it this way, if you have to get a visa to enter India, then you are not an NRI.

NRI = Indian citizen who lives out side India for more than 182 days between 1st April and 31st March. You can be born anywhere say UAE, if you are an Indian Citizen and satisy the residence conditions you are a NRI

Not Ordinarily Resident – An individual, who is defined as Resident in a given financial year is said to be “not Ordinarily Resident” in any previous year if he has been a Non-Resident in India nine out of the 10 preceding previous years or he has during the seven preceding previous years been in India for a period of, or periods amounting in all to, 729 days or less.

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By: Prasad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239369 Prasad Wed, 13 May 2009 21:42:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239369 <p>If this isn't a hoax, I wont be too much against a 5% tax. If that money is well spent, it will only leave cleaner roads and air when I go for a visit. Hey - a man can dream, cant he?</p> <p>Also, it might also make all the green card holders to get that coveted citizenship, instead of having benefits in both countries. Yes, the benefit includes not having to vote too :))</p> If this isn’t a hoax, I wont be too much against a 5% tax. If that money is well spent, it will only leave cleaner roads and air when I go for a visit. Hey – a man can dream, cant he?

Also, it might also make all the green card holders to get that coveted citizenship, instead of having benefits in both countries. Yes, the benefit includes not having to vote too :) )

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By: PKS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239364 PKS Wed, 13 May 2009 20:35:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239364 <p>If you are born and raised outside of India, you are not an "NRI." You are an Indian-American, Indo-Canadian, or perhaps British Asian as the case may be.</p> <p>NRI refers to Indians living abroad, not to people of Indian origin born and raised abroad who are citizens and residents of their home countries. The term "non-resident" implies that you could have been or once were "resident" in India. Look at it this way, if you have to get a visa to enter India, then you are not an NRI.</p> If you are born and raised outside of India, you are not an “NRI.” You are an Indian-American, Indo-Canadian, or perhaps British Asian as the case may be.

NRI refers to Indians living abroad, not to people of Indian origin born and raised abroad who are citizens and residents of their home countries. The term “non-resident” implies that you could have been or once were “resident” in India. Look at it this way, if you have to get a visa to enter India, then you are not an NRI.

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By: neo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239361 neo Wed, 13 May 2009 19:51:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239361 <p>For "Non-Resident Americans" like me (I recently returned to India, and I'm a US citizen), this is <i>already</i> true - I get taxed on my world-wide income by the IRS even if I'm sipping Margaritas in Goa for all 365 days of the year (although I probably wouldn't have much income in that case :-P).</p> For “Non-Resident Americans” like me (I recently returned to India, and I’m a US citizen), this is already true – I get taxed on my world-wide income by the IRS even if I’m sipping Margaritas in Goa for all 365 days of the year (although I probably wouldn’t have much income in that case :-P ).

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By: Conrad Barwa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/13/an_email_that_a_1/comment-page-1/#comment-239359 Conrad Barwa Wed, 13 May 2009 19:40:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5766#comment-239359 <blockquote>They have enjoyed the benefit of being the small minority getting fancy degrees from good universities in India which are financed by the state at the cost of neglecting the elementary educational needs of the hundreds of millions of poor in India</blockquote> <p>.</p> <p>That is a fair point; though I was thinking mainly of NRIs are people who have been brought up and schooled abroad and usually born abroad as well. Their direct connections and experience with India tend to be tenous. You are right to point out that there is a newer trend of NRIs who go out from elite institutions to work abroad but many of them though strictly speaking NRIs in terms of visa and tax purposes; I tend just to regard as Indians abroad since they come back after a few years. Those that remain will be a small minority of the total NRI population I would have thought. Aside from which my understanding is that now IITs and IIMs are pretty much revenue generating rather than being generously subsidised by the state but I could be wrong here.</p> They have enjoyed the benefit of being the small minority getting fancy degrees from good universities in India which are financed by the state at the cost of neglecting the elementary educational needs of the hundreds of millions of poor in India

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That is a fair point; though I was thinking mainly of NRIs are people who have been brought up and schooled abroad and usually born abroad as well. Their direct connections and experience with India tend to be tenous. You are right to point out that there is a newer trend of NRIs who go out from elite institutions to work abroad but many of them though strictly speaking NRIs in terms of visa and tax purposes; I tend just to regard as Indians abroad since they come back after a few years. Those that remain will be a small minority of the total NRI population I would have thought. Aside from which my understanding is that now IITs and IIMs are pretty much revenue generating rather than being generously subsidised by the state but I could be wrong here.

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