Comments on: Please, Shekhar, Make It Stop http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Lisa Tsering http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-240054 Lisa Tsering Thu, 21 May 2009 22:15:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-240054 <p>Whoever would pass up a kiss from Arjun for a sugary soda needs to have their head examined. And the cliched sitar music ... arrgghhh, my ears, my ears.</p> Whoever would pass up a kiss from Arjun for a sugary soda needs to have their head examined. And the cliched sitar music … arrgghhh, my ears, my ears.

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By: my_dog_jagat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-240042 my_dog_jagat Thu, 21 May 2009 20:15:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-240042 <p>I finally saw the ad on French TV. All that raw footage has been happily edited --the incomprehensible slave girl is gone and Udaipur and Arjun are just an exotic silhouette. It's rather nice if you know the "what did you expect" reference or like to be reminded of exotic Udaipur--a favorite French destination in India.</p> <p>It's possible they will re-edit and use other parts of the shoot later in the year. The George Clooney Nespresso ads, for instance, have many different versions. They make a lot more sense but just as with the Nicole ad, those ads are also only about the extremely sexy George Clooney.</p> I finally saw the ad on French TV. All that raw footage has been happily edited –the incomprehensible slave girl is gone and Udaipur and Arjun are just an exotic silhouette. It’s rather nice if you know the “what did you expect” reference or like to be reminded of exotic Udaipur–a favorite French destination in India.

It’s possible they will re-edit and use other parts of the shoot later in the year. The George Clooney Nespresso ads, for instance, have many different versions. They make a lot more sense but just as with the Nicole ad, those ads are also only about the extremely sexy George Clooney.

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By: Here Comes the Sun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-239943 Here Comes the Sun Wed, 20 May 2009 20:33:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-239943 <blockquote>"My sociology professor told me that a bias towards fair skin comes about in countries where being out in the sun is associated with poverty (having to work outside = manual labor.)"</blockquote> <p>Yes, this is true in India too. People will stay out of the sun there because they don't want to get darker. So even though kola-nut-techie says its due to ethnicities in India, still, regardless what your natural skin tone be, if you hang in the sun, it will get darker. And darker skin is associated with "lower classes" in India, despite the fact that all classes run the gamut of skin tones. And Indian people who do labor long hours in the sun, do in fact, get darker than if they would not to be in the sun.</p> <p>Or course people who are naturally dark and do not labor in the sun will be dark no matter what, but they will be trained from young childhood NOT to stay in the sun lest they become even darker.</p> <p>Sometimes dark skinned Indians are said to "look like labor class". That statement is un-pc on so many levels, but the East is not hung up on pc-ness like the West is, not yet anyway.</p> “My sociology professor told me that a bias towards fair skin comes about in countries where being out in the sun is associated with poverty (having to work outside = manual labor.)”

Yes, this is true in India too. People will stay out of the sun there because they don’t want to get darker. So even though kola-nut-techie says its due to ethnicities in India, still, regardless what your natural skin tone be, if you hang in the sun, it will get darker. And darker skin is associated with “lower classes” in India, despite the fact that all classes run the gamut of skin tones. And Indian people who do labor long hours in the sun, do in fact, get darker than if they would not to be in the sun.

Or course people who are naturally dark and do not labor in the sun will be dark no matter what, but they will be trained from young childhood NOT to stay in the sun lest they become even darker.

Sometimes dark skinned Indians are said to “look like labor class”. That statement is un-pc on so many levels, but the East is not hung up on pc-ness like the West is, not yet anyway.

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By: TTCUSM http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-239942 TTCUSM Wed, 20 May 2009 20:29:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-239942 <blockquote>The difference in Indian skin tones is clearly a result of different ethnicities than a result of a 'tan'</blockquote> <p>Multiple genetic studies (including studies of Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA) have shown that there is no such thing as a "separate Dravidian race." The only distinct ethnicities in South Asia are the Balochi, Brahui, Burusho, Hazara, Kalash, Pathan and Sindhi peoples.</p> The difference in Indian skin tones is clearly a result of different ethnicities than a result of a ‘tan’

Multiple genetic studies (including studies of Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA) have shown that there is no such thing as a “separate Dravidian race.” The only distinct ethnicities in South Asia are the Balochi, Brahui, Burusho, Hazara, Kalash, Pathan and Sindhi peoples.

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By: kola-nut-techie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-239939 kola-nut-techie Wed, 20 May 2009 20:09:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-239939 <p>"My sociology professor told me that a bias towards fair skin comes about in countries where being out in the sun is associated with poverty (having to work outside = manual labor.)"</p> <p>Your sociology professor must be speaking of more homogeneous societies where skin colour is not a function of ethnicity. I think you have black boxed yourself in a convenient model and have not really tried to understand racial and colour prejudices as they exist on the ground in India. I pray its that and not some ideology induced denial. The difference in Indian skin tones is clearly a result of different ethnicities than a result of a 'tan', and the Indian elites are well aware of it in having attuned their prejudices against any darker underclass, and these prejudices get passed on as negative stereotypes. Talking of normative samples and not the sophistry using exceptions - the evidence is overwhelming that upper castes are lighter skinned as compared to the so called lower castes.</p> <p>Also, please note its not exact to say 'fair skin' enjoys an exalted position in Indian consciousness as much as fair skinned with marked Caucasian features. The porcelain skinned North-easterners for example are treated worse than animals by the northern Indians (to the degree of being dehumanized) Racism and colour prejudice tends to decrease from the North to South, Punjab to Tamil Nadu, any observant native will attest to that.</p> “My sociology professor told me that a bias towards fair skin comes about in countries where being out in the sun is associated with poverty (having to work outside = manual labor.)”

Your sociology professor must be speaking of more homogeneous societies where skin colour is not a function of ethnicity. I think you have black boxed yourself in a convenient model and have not really tried to understand racial and colour prejudices as they exist on the ground in India. I pray its that and not some ideology induced denial. The difference in Indian skin tones is clearly a result of different ethnicities than a result of a ‘tan’, and the Indian elites are well aware of it in having attuned their prejudices against any darker underclass, and these prejudices get passed on as negative stereotypes. Talking of normative samples and not the sophistry using exceptions – the evidence is overwhelming that upper castes are lighter skinned as compared to the so called lower castes.

Also, please note its not exact to say ‘fair skin’ enjoys an exalted position in Indian consciousness as much as fair skinned with marked Caucasian features. The porcelain skinned North-easterners for example are treated worse than animals by the northern Indians (to the degree of being dehumanized) Racism and colour prejudice tends to decrease from the North to South, Punjab to Tamil Nadu, any observant native will attest to that.

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-239460 Saheli Thu, 14 May 2009 22:22:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-239460 <p>62: liberal bias? The name Mrs. Coulter comes from the British novels the movie is based on; the first novel (and Mrs. Coulter's appearance) was first published in 1995, well before Anne Coulter had a conservative media career, let alone any reputation in England. Don't jump to conclusions.</p> 62: liberal bias? The name Mrs. Coulter comes from the British novels the movie is based on; the first novel (and Mrs. Coulter’s appearance) was first published in 1995, well before Anne Coulter had a conservative media career, let alone any reputation in England. Don’t jump to conclusions.

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By: iddiappa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-239429 iddiappa Thu, 14 May 2009 18:25:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-239429 <p>Seems like also some reference to her role in Australia as the noble white woman who loved the brown child...substitute Indian for aborigine....and voila! Schweppes ad!</p> Seems like also some reference to her role in Australia as the noble white woman who loved the brown child…substitute Indian for aborigine….and voila! Schweppes ad!

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By: hoi polloi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-239427 hoi polloi Thu, 14 May 2009 18:20:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-239427 <p>Q: What did you expect? Me: It looked like memsaab was rushing for a bathroom break.</p> Q: What did you expect? Me: It looked like memsaab was rushing for a bathroom break.

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By: Bhanu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-239423 Bhanu Thu, 14 May 2009 17:35:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-239423 <p>It was very funny reading through all the comments...and some of them gave me a good laugh. After I saw the second ad, I felt that we can conclude whether this makes sense or not if somebody can translate exactly what was being said in french. Was it about beating the hot summer by gulping some nice cold drinks ?</p> It was very funny reading through all the comments…and some of them gave me a good laugh. After I saw the second ad, I felt that we can conclude whether this makes sense or not if somebody can translate exactly what was being said in french. Was it about beating the hot summer by gulping some nice cold drinks ?

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/12/please_shekhar/comment-page-2/#comment-239416 Manju Thu, 14 May 2009 16:20:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5764#comment-239416 <blockquote>Mrs. Coulter--the head of the Gobblers organization which kidnaps children with promises of treats (especially poor children and street children) and does awful things to them.</blockquote> <p>is there no end to hollywood's liberal bias?</p> Mrs. Coulter–the head of the Gobblers organization which kidnaps children with promises of treats (especially poor children and street children) and does awful things to them.

is there no end to hollywood’s liberal bias?

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