Comments on: Review & Interview: “Family Planning,” by Karan Mahajan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239921 SM Intern Wed, 20 May 2009 13:43:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239921 <p>This conversation is spiraling into major tangents. Time to shut it down.</p> This conversation is spiraling into major tangents. Time to shut it down.

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By: Satyajit Wry http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239919 Satyajit Wry Wed, 20 May 2009 10:30:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239919 <p>Oh beta, there is your imagination yet again. So much gussa. So offset. So desperate. Unlike Abhishek, I didn't cut anything out. All the links are there for people to see <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005774.html#comment239840">here</a>. I know your imagination is running away with you, again. here let's try and find a new song. maybe hindi wasn't your cup of tea. let's try malayalam:</p> <p>Kochu poocha kunjinoru kochamali pattil Kachi vacha choodu pal oodi chenu nakki kunju navu polliyappol kunji poocha kenu Myau.. Myau.. Myau.. Myau..</p> <p>here's the translation in case you can't understand</p> <p>The cute little kitten met with a small accident It ran and drank the boiled milk in a hurry The little tongue was burnt and it started crying Myav…Myav….Myav….Myav….</p> <p>oh beta, so many lies. Did your little tongue get burnt from all those jhooths? it's ok, we know how unhappy you were after you got humiliated here last week. we know you want to try to redeem yourself. don't worry, we still love you. now ja, have some ice cream and come back when you are not so offset...</p> Oh beta, there is your imagination yet again. So much gussa. So offset. So desperate. Unlike Abhishek, I didn’t cut anything out. All the links are there for people to see here. I know your imagination is running away with you, again. here let’s try and find a new song. maybe hindi wasn’t your cup of tea. let’s try malayalam:

Kochu poocha kunjinoru kochamali pattil Kachi vacha choodu pal oodi chenu nakki kunju navu polliyappol kunji poocha kenu Myau.. Myau.. Myau.. Myau..

here’s the translation in case you can’t understand

The cute little kitten met with a small accident It ran and drank the boiled milk in a hurry The little tongue was burnt and it started crying Myav…Myav….Myav….Myav….

oh beta, so many lies. Did your little tongue get burnt from all those jhooths? it’s ok, we know how unhappy you were after you got humiliated here last week. we know you want to try to redeem yourself. don’t worry, we still love you. now ja, have some ice cream and come back when you are not so offset…

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By: garv http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239918 garv Wed, 20 May 2009 10:17:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239918 <p>satyajit, now going with a fake handle and possibly ip switching to think you have supporters? i guess that is the logical extension of the sangh mentality of spinning newer and newer groups for plausible deniability...</p> <p>oh "gby", what lie? you, i meant wry, said the supreme court found her guilty of perjury. this is plainly false. the toi reporter's credibility has been successfully questioned - what he claimed was the sit report was merely the gujarat counsel talking about the gujarat govt's (gosh! self serving report), as newspapers and commenters have observed. even if that was in question, the supreme court has not found her guilty of a single thing - instead it has acquitted her of similar charges in the past, and both the supreme court and the head of the sit have taken great offense to leaking of comments made in court.</p> satyajit, now going with a fake handle and possibly ip switching to think you have supporters? i guess that is the logical extension of the sangh mentality of spinning newer and newer groups for plausible deniability…

oh “gby”, what lie? you, i meant wry, said the supreme court found her guilty of perjury. this is plainly false. the toi reporter’s credibility has been successfully questioned – what he claimed was the sit report was merely the gujarat counsel talking about the gujarat govt’s (gosh! self serving report), as newspapers and commenters have observed. even if that was in question, the supreme court has not found her guilty of a single thing – instead it has acquitted her of similar charges in the past, and both the supreme court and the head of the sit have taken great offense to leaking of comments made in court.

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By: GBY http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239917 GBY Wed, 20 May 2009 10:11:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239917 <p>Just a public service announcement for all who have been reading. garv is a troll who is trying to spin a discussion on this page for everyone to see here: http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005774.html#comment239840 . The user he referred to "Abhishek" did get caught in a lie. Garv has a record of spinning things and attacking commentators with one line exaggerations. Please ignore.</p> Just a public service announcement for all who have been reading. garv is a troll who is trying to spin a discussion on this page for everyone to see here: http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005774.html#comment239840 . The user he referred to “Abhishek” did get caught in a lie. Garv has a record of spinning things and attacking commentators with one line exaggerations. Please ignore.

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By: Satyajit Wry http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239916 Satyajit Wry Wed, 20 May 2009 10:09:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239916 <p>Arey beta, so angry. So offset. Kyon? I know, let's play a game before you have your complan. Come sing and we'll teach you how to count:</p> <p>Ginti Geet Nursery Rhyme Ek do, kabhi na ro theen chaar rakhna pyar paanch che, mil kar rakh saath aat pad le paat nov das jore se hans.</p> <p>Did you learn you numbers? Yaaay!</p> Arey beta, so angry. So offset. Kyon? I know, let’s play a game before you have your complan. Come sing and we’ll teach you how to count:

Ginti Geet Nursery Rhyme Ek do, kabhi na ro theen chaar rakhna pyar paanch che, mil kar rakh saath aat pad le paat nov das jore se hans.

Did you learn you numbers? Yaaay!

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By: garv http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239915 garv Wed, 20 May 2009 09:58:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239915 <p>Really? "Complan boy"? This is your best shot now that you've been repeatedly exposed and excoriated for being lying and abusive by so many different commenters and bloggers, and you turn around and complain that they are all lapdogs...</p> <p>All it took from the moment you started commenting on this blog was a couple of comments questioning your claims and your petty, abusive, mendacious nature was laid bare, despite your best attempts. Well, I guess it is 5 <i>more</i> years of frothing at the mouth for you, good luck with continuing to spout your lies to whomever will buy your garbage :) I did want to bid adieu, your pathetic whining was too hilarious for me to resist. But since you are begging and pleading for me to desist, I cannot but pity you at what must be such a dark moment for you given that your favorite party (which, of course, you are not peddling) was soundly routed, and will let you proceed with your falsehoods.</p> Really? “Complan boy”? This is your best shot now that you’ve been repeatedly exposed and excoriated for being lying and abusive by so many different commenters and bloggers, and you turn around and complain that they are all lapdogs…

All it took from the moment you started commenting on this blog was a couple of comments questioning your claims and your petty, abusive, mendacious nature was laid bare, despite your best attempts. Well, I guess it is 5 more years of frothing at the mouth for you, good luck with continuing to spout your lies to whomever will buy your garbage :) I did want to bid adieu, your pathetic whining was too hilarious for me to resist. But since you are begging and pleading for me to desist, I cannot but pity you at what must be such a dark moment for you given that your favorite party (which, of course, you are not peddling) was soundly routed, and will let you proceed with your falsehoods.

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By: Satyajit Wry http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239914 Satyajit Wry Wed, 20 May 2009 09:35:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239914 <p>Oh little complan boy, are we back from sulking? We missed you so much! We were worried that you had gone off and cried to Mummy. I thought you said you were going to <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005757.html#comment239480">"stick to your promise"</a> of bidding everyone "adieu". I know you like to think that you're "punching holes", but I'm afraid the object is your own credibility. The only person that was "devastated" was Abhishek who was caught in his own lie. But that's ok, it's good to see you have such a healthy imagination in your attempt to spin reality for your buddy. Oh did you little bacchas make friends in LKG?! So cute! Our little complan boy. Bolo, beta, bolo: "I am a complan boy"...</p> Oh little complan boy, are we back from sulking? We missed you so much! We were worried that you had gone off and cried to Mummy. I thought you said you were going to “stick to your promise” of bidding everyone “adieu”. I know you like to think that you’re “punching holes”, but I’m afraid the object is your own credibility. The only person that was “devastated” was Abhishek who was caught in his own lie. But that’s ok, it’s good to see you have such a healthy imagination in your attempt to spin reality for your buddy. Oh did you little bacchas make friends in LKG?! So cute! Our little complan boy. Bolo, beta, bolo: “I am a complan boy”…

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By: Satyajit Wry http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239909 Satyajit Wry Wed, 20 May 2009 06:32:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239909 <p>I never said one was better than the other. I think all societies have, by and large, made positive differences to the human experience as whole. European civilization has obviously made great contributions that don't need to be recounted. My only point is that Hindu/Indic Civilization has made tremendous contributions across the spectrum as well. What you choose to make of that is up to you.</p> I never said one was better than the other. I think all societies have, by and large, made positive differences to the human experience as whole. European civilization has obviously made great contributions that don’t need to be recounted. My only point is that Hindu/Indic Civilization has made tremendous contributions across the spectrum as well. What you choose to make of that is up to you.

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By: Sitayan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239908 Sitayan Wed, 20 May 2009 05:53:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239908 <p>Well, well. I was waiting for the indictment of the West and Christianity. I guess that is supposed to silence me. I guess I'm supposed to get offended either defend them (the west and christianity) or agree with you that yes, the East and it's religions are better.</p> <p>Well guess what - they all got issues!</p> <p>My point is this - the media shapes minds. The Ramayana was media way before it ever reached Doordarshan and despite the fact that most people who believe in it could not read. It was and remains an oral tradition. Oral traditions are media. Media has an effect on the minds and ethos of a people bit by bit, over time. Some of those effects are good, some are bad, most are a combination. All cultures practice mind control. All controls seek to brainwash. All cultures want conformity.</p> <p>See here;</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CWMCt35oFY&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CWMCt35oFY&feature=related</a></p> Well, well. I was waiting for the indictment of the West and Christianity. I guess that is supposed to silence me. I guess I’m supposed to get offended either defend them (the west and christianity) or agree with you that yes, the East and it’s religions are better.

Well guess what – they all got issues!

My point is this – the media shapes minds. The Ramayana was media way before it ever reached Doordarshan and despite the fact that most people who believe in it could not read. It was and remains an oral tradition. Oral traditions are media. Media has an effect on the minds and ethos of a people bit by bit, over time. Some of those effects are good, some are bad, most are a combination. All cultures practice mind control. All controls seek to brainwash. All cultures want conformity.

See here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CWMCt35oFY&feature=related

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By: Satyajit Wry http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/07/review_intervie/comment-page-4/#comment-239907 Satyajit Wry Wed, 20 May 2009 05:43:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5757#comment-239907 <p>Thanks for calling me a dickhead, Tarmon. Nice to meet you too. As for the change in tone, i think when people are falsely accused of misogyny or attacked by trolls (garv was a multi-thread troll), i'm sure you can understand the decision to defend one's self. hopefully you yourself are not a member of that brigade, in which case, we can have a polite and substantive discussion.</p> <p>Sitayana,</p> <p>The effect of the Ramayana as a whole on hindu society has been an emphasis on duty, a reverence of mother and father, younger brother for older brother, and the exhortation for good to stand up against evil. Rama and Sita have been celebrated for their dedication to each other in spite of royal polygamy being the norm. For the sake of argument, even if we assume that the Uttara Khanda should be considered a part of the original, the message in it is not for men to not stand by their women. As I noted above, the message is that a king's duty to his subjects come even before his queen. Sita was no doubt blameless and was obviously wronged, but that's also why Rama was heartbroken when he let her go and begged her to return when he found out about Lava and Kusha. That was what yoga fire was trying to say. Either one can continue to focus on individual motifs and use irrelevant constructs to develop a template of misogyny (aka a stick with which to beat hinduism), or one can view the entire epic holistically and imbibe the real message that comes through.</p> <p>In essence, you find the things you are looking for. If you are looking for misogynists and wronged women you will always find them. If you are looking for morals that can help better your life and your familial and personal relationships, you will also find it. The choice is yours.</p> <p>To answer your question, contrary to what you are probably looking for, the agni pareeksha was, for obvious reasons, never really practiced in hindu society. There is absolutely no link to Sati. For that, you would have to refer to the Puranas where Sati (Shiva's first wife) first committed the act of her own volition in her anger at Daksha's(her father) treatment of Shiva. She no longer wished to be his daughter and was later reincarnated as Parvati. If you are really that interested in trials by fire in society, you would have to refer to European Civilization and Christianity. The Inquisitions and witch-burning that took place, would I am sure, be an interesting study for gender sociologists everywhere. As to whether Christian holy books, rather than depraved and power hungry abusers of religion, were responsible, you would have to confer with a biblical specialist.</p> Thanks for calling me a dickhead, Tarmon. Nice to meet you too. As for the change in tone, i think when people are falsely accused of misogyny or attacked by trolls (garv was a multi-thread troll), i’m sure you can understand the decision to defend one’s self. hopefully you yourself are not a member of that brigade, in which case, we can have a polite and substantive discussion.

Sitayana,

The effect of the Ramayana as a whole on hindu society has been an emphasis on duty, a reverence of mother and father, younger brother for older brother, and the exhortation for good to stand up against evil. Rama and Sita have been celebrated for their dedication to each other in spite of royal polygamy being the norm. For the sake of argument, even if we assume that the Uttara Khanda should be considered a part of the original, the message in it is not for men to not stand by their women. As I noted above, the message is that a king’s duty to his subjects come even before his queen. Sita was no doubt blameless and was obviously wronged, but that’s also why Rama was heartbroken when he let her go and begged her to return when he found out about Lava and Kusha. That was what yoga fire was trying to say. Either one can continue to focus on individual motifs and use irrelevant constructs to develop a template of misogyny (aka a stick with which to beat hinduism), or one can view the entire epic holistically and imbibe the real message that comes through.

In essence, you find the things you are looking for. If you are looking for misogynists and wronged women you will always find them. If you are looking for morals that can help better your life and your familial and personal relationships, you will also find it. The choice is yours.

To answer your question, contrary to what you are probably looking for, the agni pareeksha was, for obvious reasons, never really practiced in hindu society. There is absolutely no link to Sati. For that, you would have to refer to the Puranas where Sati (Shiva’s first wife) first committed the act of her own volition in her anger at Daksha’s(her father) treatment of Shiva. She no longer wished to be his daughter and was later reincarnated as Parvati. If you are really that interested in trials by fire in society, you would have to refer to European Civilization and Christianity. The Inquisitions and witch-burning that took place, would I am sure, be an interesting study for gender sociologists everywhere. As to whether Christian holy books, rather than depraved and power hungry abusers of religion, were responsible, you would have to confer with a biblical specialist.

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