Comments on: Deaf Desis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: pris http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-280861 pris Fri, 07 Jan 2011 02:31:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-280861 <p>Because pris so sick all of use I hate difflet other familys,people groups last names bullshit I don't like it fuck manys people going to talk about deaf daugther call me stupide,ugly sometime theys going to beat me up or tider push me hit I think mom didit yes I think people don't like me they don't give me surpries none. I am tider everyone laught at me fuck other people I don't like it I am not want said hi to anybodys bullshit. Leave me alone pris want I am not talk to other people fuck. Pris keep my anwers I can give you what people said call hurt my feel that not nice pris don't undersaide pris can realips sometimes pris deaf birth oct 21, 1968 pris hate my ugly familys it don't like deaf daughter I am black yes I am girl pris wish guys with you,me if you want too came see beaful deafgirl</p> Because pris so sick all of use I hate difflet other familys,people groups last names bullshit I don’t like it fuck manys people going to talk about deaf daugther call me stupide,ugly sometime theys going to beat me up or tider push me hit I think mom didit yes I think people don’t like me they don’t give me surpries none. I am tider everyone laught at me fuck other people I don’t like it I am not want said hi to anybodys bullshit. Leave me alone pris want I am not talk to other people fuck. Pris keep my anwers I can give you what people said call hurt my feel that not nice pris don’t undersaide pris can realips sometimes pris deaf birth oct 21, 1968 pris hate my ugly familys it don’t like deaf daughter I am black yes I am girl pris wish guys with you,me if you want too came see beaful deafgirl

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By: pris http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-280860 pris Fri, 07 Jan 2011 02:14:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-280860 <p>My name is pris west my real name is prescilla helen west yes I am deaf. I life indianapolis in 46228 pris still cry all day I hate sister, parents bullshit pris hate peoples street is 44th keller some manys people talk about hate deaf daugther pris deaf feel her sad I don't know what theys said but hurt my feel I am tider shit pris wish male with me I don't have boyfriends I can't life with him pris wish male hearing sign languages you,me I am girl pris still deaf like that pris hate old people bullshit I hate have to hi everybodys bullshit I don't like family baby kids childs deaf need you guy 3325704 tell story about deaf why cry matter hate about people going to hate me go my room cry cry I am tider shit tell parent what happend to pris 4225 sunries rd indianapolis in 46228 go to find on map pris like love hug</p> My name is pris west my real name is prescilla helen west yes I am deaf. I life indianapolis in 46228 pris still cry all day I hate sister, parents bullshit pris hate peoples street is 44th keller some manys people talk about hate deaf daugther pris deaf feel her sad I don’t know what theys said but hurt my feel I am tider shit pris wish male with me I don’t have boyfriends I can’t life with him pris wish male hearing sign languages you,me I am girl pris still deaf like that pris hate old people bullshit I hate have to hi everybodys bullshit I don’t like family baby kids childs deaf need you guy 3325704 tell story about deaf why cry matter hate about people going to hate me go my room cry cry I am tider shit tell parent what happend to pris 4225 sunries rd indianapolis in 46228 go to find on map pris like love hug

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By: scorps1027 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-238754 scorps1027 Thu, 07 May 2009 19:27:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-238754 <p>My brother was born deaf and it was quite an adjustment for my newly-immigrated parents to learn ASL and to take all the special classes they had to at the time to adapt to the needs and care of their deaf child in America. My younger sister and I grew up learning a mishmash version of home 'signing' and proper ASL. The latter being learned at community centers that offered classes and certification. But we never used the proper ASL language with him. We relied on him reading lips and our own form of home signing.</p> <p>My brother has been to India several times with our family and there is not a lot of communication on his part with my relatives except in the most rudimentary forms of crude signing with each other. I often felt he missed out on a lot of cultural aspects b/c he coudlnt' communicate or know what is was like to hear a different language. For him mostly, he's not one to ever sit and chat, but is always on the move, so he formed friendships through exploration, motorcycle rides, and sheer charisma. He's not "shy" to try to talk to people and he isn't ashamed he's deaf. Nor does he think it's a disability. My parents do however wish for him to marry a hearing girl because they figure life would be 'easier' int the real world for them. My siblings and I have mixed feelings on this notion.</p> <p>He has visited the Kasergood school for the deaf in India on one vacation and interacted with children who spoke Indian Sign Language, which was neat to see. Mostly we felt blessed that he was always able to study/go to school nearby our home and never had to go into a boarding situation. As with a lot of deaf people, his other skills are heightened. He has an incredible memory, sense of direction, and ability to take things apart and put them right back together. He's always been the "sharpest" out of us three.</p> <p>In terms of ignorance, I find a lot of people say things like, "Oh, he doenst' look deaf!" and I still don't know what a 'deaf' person is supposed to look like in comparision to a hearing person. And the second irritating statement is that they remark on how smart he is, as if because he's deaf he has learning disabilities, etc. That being said, my brother doenst' have proper grammar usage at all when he writes, but mainly because he doenst' care about grammar or proper writing. He writes how he speaks often leaving out the filler words and getting straight to the point. Sometimes people can mistake that as someone who has a low intelligence when all it is is him being lazy.</p> My brother was born deaf and it was quite an adjustment for my newly-immigrated parents to learn ASL and to take all the special classes they had to at the time to adapt to the needs and care of their deaf child in America. My younger sister and I grew up learning a mishmash version of home ‘signing’ and proper ASL. The latter being learned at community centers that offered classes and certification. But we never used the proper ASL language with him. We relied on him reading lips and our own form of home signing.

My brother has been to India several times with our family and there is not a lot of communication on his part with my relatives except in the most rudimentary forms of crude signing with each other. I often felt he missed out on a lot of cultural aspects b/c he coudlnt’ communicate or know what is was like to hear a different language. For him mostly, he’s not one to ever sit and chat, but is always on the move, so he formed friendships through exploration, motorcycle rides, and sheer charisma. He’s not “shy” to try to talk to people and he isn’t ashamed he’s deaf. Nor does he think it’s a disability. My parents do however wish for him to marry a hearing girl because they figure life would be ‘easier’ int the real world for them. My siblings and I have mixed feelings on this notion.

He has visited the Kasergood school for the deaf in India on one vacation and interacted with children who spoke Indian Sign Language, which was neat to see. Mostly we felt blessed that he was always able to study/go to school nearby our home and never had to go into a boarding situation. As with a lot of deaf people, his other skills are heightened. He has an incredible memory, sense of direction, and ability to take things apart and put them right back together. He’s always been the “sharpest” out of us three.

In terms of ignorance, I find a lot of people say things like, “Oh, he doenst’ look deaf!” and I still don’t know what a ‘deaf’ person is supposed to look like in comparision to a hearing person. And the second irritating statement is that they remark on how smart he is, as if because he’s deaf he has learning disabilities, etc. That being said, my brother doenst’ have proper grammar usage at all when he writes, but mainly because he doenst’ care about grammar or proper writing. He writes how he speaks often leaving out the filler words and getting straight to the point. Sometimes people can mistake that as someone who has a low intelligence when all it is is him being lazy.

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By: MN http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-238739 MN Thu, 07 May 2009 17:11:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-238739 <p>Karma just means "activity" - it can be good or bad. Or a good karma can get a bad result and vice versa. So by simply saying "its karma" doesn't mean they are talking about negative karma. Everything is a life lesson and meant to help us grow.</p> Karma just means “activity” – it can be good or bad. Or a good karma can get a bad result and vice versa. So by simply saying “its karma” doesn’t mean they are talking about negative karma. Everything is a life lesson and meant to help us grow.

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By: sharvedh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-238696 sharvedh Thu, 07 May 2009 06:56:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-238696 <p>MN, sure, I can accept this argument. Perhaps, relating that to karma is one way of understanding the purpose of our existence deeply. I do consider myself a very highly evolved spiritual entity. My relationship with the god is strictly personal and I feel very strongly that any man has no say whatsoever in my relationship with the god including relating that to my karma. Perhaps, I am being punished in my past life that would result in my deafness yet, I grow up having a very good life and I don’t ever feel penalized for my deafness. On the contrary, I came to perceive the karmic lesson in probing my deafness as a method to explore different methods of communicating than speaking audibly and building myself as a communication virtuoso talent. Only time will tell that. Sure, Indians want to box deafness with their understandings and appreciation of the concept in karma however they also should be able to accommodate sensitivity. Basically, this is not their place to say that one’s deafness is the cumulative result of one’s karma. I came to believe that karma is much more than the outward signs such as deafness. Also, we must consider whether by relating to karma is their way of putting us in our places supported by my observations towards the rigors of following caste or just being empathic about the challenges in our lives. I do realize that the concept of karma is strictly neutral however how it is presented in arguments would suggest otherwise.</p> MN, sure, I can accept this argument. Perhaps, relating that to karma is one way of understanding the purpose of our existence deeply. I do consider myself a very highly evolved spiritual entity. My relationship with the god is strictly personal and I feel very strongly that any man has no say whatsoever in my relationship with the god including relating that to my karma. Perhaps, I am being punished in my past life that would result in my deafness yet, I grow up having a very good life and I don’t ever feel penalized for my deafness. On the contrary, I came to perceive the karmic lesson in probing my deafness as a method to explore different methods of communicating than speaking audibly and building myself as a communication virtuoso talent. Only time will tell that. Sure, Indians want to box deafness with their understandings and appreciation of the concept in karma however they also should be able to accommodate sensitivity. Basically, this is not their place to say that one’s deafness is the cumulative result of one’s karma. I came to believe that karma is much more than the outward signs such as deafness. Also, we must consider whether by relating to karma is their way of putting us in our places supported by my observations towards the rigors of following caste or just being empathic about the challenges in our lives. I do realize that the concept of karma is strictly neutral however how it is presented in arguments would suggest otherwise.

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By: sharvedh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-238694 sharvedh Thu, 07 May 2009 06:42:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-238694 <p>Lurker Auntie, yeah, that’s a good idea to write them to correct. I am quite pleased! We would always appreciate your support. MN, umm, I don’t consider some signs in American sign Language to be racist. I need to see from the hearing person point to appreciate that. Perhaps, hearing people would find that to be too blunt. However this is our sign language – that’s how we communicate. But at the same time, this must be balanced with accommodating cultural sensitivity including collapsing racism. Deaf Washingtonians are quite advanced in this sense. Further, given the nature of our lives experiences, we take equal opportunity very seriously. Lord of the Dings, I am not sure about recommending any links to learn American Sign Language. I will make time to check that out. However, I know that the best way to learn ASL is to interact with us deaf people. I learnt how to write French years ago and I was damn good at that. Yet, I could not manage in Paris despite being have had been to Paris and France at least 15 times – textbook French is just not enough – I also need to match their culture and their way of living before I could express well in French. That’s the same with Deaf people.</p> Lurker Auntie, yeah, that’s a good idea to write them to correct. I am quite pleased! We would always appreciate your support. MN, umm, I don’t consider some signs in American sign Language to be racist. I need to see from the hearing person point to appreciate that. Perhaps, hearing people would find that to be too blunt. However this is our sign language – that’s how we communicate. But at the same time, this must be balanced with accommodating cultural sensitivity including collapsing racism. Deaf Washingtonians are quite advanced in this sense. Further, given the nature of our lives experiences, we take equal opportunity very seriously. Lord of the Dings, I am not sure about recommending any links to learn American Sign Language. I will make time to check that out. However, I know that the best way to learn ASL is to interact with us deaf people. I learnt how to write French years ago and I was damn good at that. Yet, I could not manage in Paris despite being have had been to Paris and France at least 15 times – textbook French is just not enough – I also need to match their culture and their way of living before I could express well in French. That’s the same with Deaf people.

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By: MN http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-238693 MN Thu, 07 May 2009 06:38:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-238693 <blockquote>With Indians from India, they tend to be ignorant or that their reactions are conditioned as a result of their cumulative beliefs about our disabilities and often they often made <u><b>references to karma </b></u>which raised my ire.</blockquote> <p>Yeah but they say that about everything. Its not really a negative judgement. Its more like another form of empathy. But without that cultural experience I can understand how it might be off putting.</p> With Indians from India, they tend to be ignorant or that their reactions are conditioned as a result of their cumulative beliefs about our disabilities and often they often made references to karma which raised my ire.

Yeah but they say that about everything. Its not really a negative judgement. Its more like another form of empathy. But without that cultural experience I can understand how it might be off putting.

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By: sharvedh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-238692 sharvedh Thu, 07 May 2009 06:32:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-238692 <p>Kloof, naturally, this is a lot complicated than that. I must emphasize that my reaction is not typical of that of a simpleton. I know my reasoning is a lot complicated. Actually, I never perceived this as the result of being hurt by the reactions towards my deafness. I suppose that being hurt is a teensy factor. Most times, I just have a very low threshold of patience towards anyone who is totally ignorant. In fact, my brain is sophisticated enough to recognize the differences between Indians from India and foreign-born Indians. I tend to gravitate more towards foreign-born Indians especially in the States, United Kingdom, and South Africa because they tend to be more aware about us, deaf people and how to best accommodate us. For an example, I went to order an ice-cream in Crystal city, Virginia and there was an American-born Indian scooping ice cream for me. When I signaled to my ears indicating my deafness and he just pulled the paper and pen out so I could communicate my orders. I have the same positive experiences with Britons of South Asian origins and South African Indians – many of my former colleagues in South Africa especially Johannesburg and Durban tend to be Indians and we often partied after work especially at bars. With Indians from India, they tend to be ignorant or that their reactions are conditioned as a result of their cumulative beliefs about our disabilities and often they often made references to karma which raised my ire. Also, some Indians just wanted to show me their love and acceptance to gain grounds and this made me very conspicuous to the point of announcing to everyone that I am a god child. In all honesty, however well-intentioned this may be, I find that bloody irritating. Simply, I want to be treated the same as the next average Joe! I am able to tell the difference between Indians from India by the way they wear clothes, their hairdos (Indians from India tend to prize their hairs), and whether they tilt their heads when they talk. If I see that, then I tend to avoid them. I know that’s not right. But most times, I just don’t want to invite complications. And oh yes, by the way, I do have good Indian friends including the ones from India as well. but still, I don’t excuse India – India still have a long way to go addressing the challenges it presents for the deaf community including building the bridge between the deaf community and the mainstream society in India. And yep, I am quite impressed with Taz, Neal, Aruna, and Kam.</p> Kloof, naturally, this is a lot complicated than that. I must emphasize that my reaction is not typical of that of a simpleton. I know my reasoning is a lot complicated. Actually, I never perceived this as the result of being hurt by the reactions towards my deafness. I suppose that being hurt is a teensy factor. Most times, I just have a very low threshold of patience towards anyone who is totally ignorant. In fact, my brain is sophisticated enough to recognize the differences between Indians from India and foreign-born Indians. I tend to gravitate more towards foreign-born Indians especially in the States, United Kingdom, and South Africa because they tend to be more aware about us, deaf people and how to best accommodate us. For an example, I went to order an ice-cream in Crystal city, Virginia and there was an American-born Indian scooping ice cream for me. When I signaled to my ears indicating my deafness and he just pulled the paper and pen out so I could communicate my orders. I have the same positive experiences with Britons of South Asian origins and South African Indians – many of my former colleagues in South Africa especially Johannesburg and Durban tend to be Indians and we often partied after work especially at bars. With Indians from India, they tend to be ignorant or that their reactions are conditioned as a result of their cumulative beliefs about our disabilities and often they often made references to karma which raised my ire. Also, some Indians just wanted to show me their love and acceptance to gain grounds and this made me very conspicuous to the point of announcing to everyone that I am a god child. In all honesty, however well-intentioned this may be, I find that bloody irritating. Simply, I want to be treated the same as the next average Joe! I am able to tell the difference between Indians from India by the way they wear clothes, their hairdos (Indians from India tend to prize their hairs), and whether they tilt their heads when they talk. If I see that, then I tend to avoid them. I know that’s not right. But most times, I just don’t want to invite complications. And oh yes, by the way, I do have good Indian friends including the ones from India as well. but still, I don’t excuse India – India still have a long way to go addressing the challenges it presents for the deaf community including building the bridge between the deaf community and the mainstream society in India. And yep, I am quite impressed with Taz, Neal, Aruna, and Kam.

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By: MN http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-238691 MN Thu, 07 May 2009 05:37:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-238691 <blockquote>And lastly, as a Deaf Desi Muslim, I am most certainly NOT offended by the blatant signs in ASL for India, Islam, Muslim, Hindu, or whatever. That's how we Deaf people are...blunt. We call it how we SEE it. I think people get so offended too easily. -Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist</blockquote> <p>I'm with you!</p> <p>Probably the only people that will cry "racist" over signs are hearing people. Get over it.</p> <p>It's refreshing to know that deaf people are not plastic, fake pc-ers.</p> And lastly, as a Deaf Desi Muslim, I am most certainly NOT offended by the blatant signs in ASL for India, Islam, Muslim, Hindu, or whatever. That’s how we Deaf people are…blunt. We call it how we SEE it. I think people get so offended too easily. -Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist

I’m with you!

Probably the only people that will cry “racist” over signs are hearing people. Get over it.

It’s refreshing to know that deaf people are not plastic, fake pc-ers.

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By: DIMA http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/05/03/deaf_desis/comment-page-2/#comment-238687 DIMA Thu, 07 May 2009 05:06:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5750#comment-238687 <p>Thank you for writing a post about us Deaf Desi people. In my experience, I have been shunned by Desi Muslims and Desi Hindus. Everyone seem to think that we Deaf people are "slow" or that we are "cursed," so therefore they think they have to shun us. Whenever I visited my relatives in Bihar, my mother would tell me to wear my hair down so that no one would see my hearing aid. Desi people always thought it was "sad" that I cannot speak or understand Hindi or Urdu. Well, how can I when nobody would teach me directly?</p> <p>For the past few months, I have been teaching myself to read and write Hindi. I have NEVER dated a Deaf Desi guy because I haven't met any. In fact, Deaf guys (white, black, or brown) were never interested in me. And neither were Desi guys (whether Muslim, Hindu, Indian or Pakistani)! The only guys I have dated were hearing white guys who were sympathetic and wanted to learn ASL, read about India and Islam to understand me better.</p> <p>And lastly, as a Deaf Desi Muslim, I am most certainly NOT offended by the blatant signs in ASL for India, Islam, Muslim, Hindu, or whatever. That's how we Deaf people are...blunt. We call it how we SEE it. I think people get so offended too easily.</p> <p>-Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist</p> Thank you for writing a post about us Deaf Desi people. In my experience, I have been shunned by Desi Muslims and Desi Hindus. Everyone seem to think that we Deaf people are “slow” or that we are “cursed,” so therefore they think they have to shun us. Whenever I visited my relatives in Bihar, my mother would tell me to wear my hair down so that no one would see my hearing aid. Desi people always thought it was “sad” that I cannot speak or understand Hindi or Urdu. Well, how can I when nobody would teach me directly?

For the past few months, I have been teaching myself to read and write Hindi. I have NEVER dated a Deaf Desi guy because I haven’t met any. In fact, Deaf guys (white, black, or brown) were never interested in me. And neither were Desi guys (whether Muslim, Hindu, Indian or Pakistani)! The only guys I have dated were hearing white guys who were sympathetic and wanted to learn ASL, read about India and Islam to understand me better.

And lastly, as a Deaf Desi Muslim, I am most certainly NOT offended by the blatant signs in ASL for India, Islam, Muslim, Hindu, or whatever. That’s how we Deaf people are…blunt. We call it how we SEE it. I think people get so offended too easily.

-Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist

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