Comments on: A few reflections on the South Asian Summit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238927 Camille Sun, 10 May 2009 17:00:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238927 <blockquote>The comment about diabetes further illustrates what i feel the problem might be. I think if we care about South Asians and their diaspora then rich Indians in America getting diabetes seems much less of a problem than infant mortality rates or the spread of AIDS among the most disadvantaged of us.</blockquote> <p>Ray, I think you're also missing that a wide swathe of disempowered, socioeconomically disenfranchised desis are more likely to be the victims of heart disease and diabetes than "rich Indians" -- for example, look at your local taxi wallah or trucker as a prime candidate.</p> <p>If your concern is that the subcontinent's poverty and wealth inequality drives inequality in the subcontinent, then you're right, SAALT is not going to focus its advocacy on policies abroad. They're an explicitly U.S.-based, U.S.-desi advocacy organization, and their work is rooted in a thoughtful analysis of the different institutions/social constructs (e.g., how race/ethnicity, language access, gender, sexual orientation, socioeconomic class, age, disability, etc.) compound the vulnerability of the desi community within the U.S. Advocacy issues could range from human trafficking, to supporting women in domestically abusive households, to helping workers collectively organize, to providing free health screenings in mobile clinics, to ensuring language access to voters. Which experiences do you believe advocacy organizations <i>ought</i> to focus on?</p> <p>Your comments speak to a lot of underlying assumptions around who constitutes the SAA community, what their class/experience is in the U.S. (and that such an experience is homogenizing or determinative), and that consequently work to ameliorate social inequality is a luxury, indulgence, or insincere affect. I'm not uncritical of the nonprofit/social justice scene, but it has more often been a privilege, and an incredibly humbling and heartwarming experience, to work with desis who are visionary and passionate about creating a more just and fair society. SAALT does a great job of fostering a conversation that is productive and community building, not ego-driven or superficial.</p> The comment about diabetes further illustrates what i feel the problem might be. I think if we care about South Asians and their diaspora then rich Indians in America getting diabetes seems much less of a problem than infant mortality rates or the spread of AIDS among the most disadvantaged of us.

Ray, I think you’re also missing that a wide swathe of disempowered, socioeconomically disenfranchised desis are more likely to be the victims of heart disease and diabetes than “rich Indians” — for example, look at your local taxi wallah or trucker as a prime candidate.

If your concern is that the subcontinent’s poverty and wealth inequality drives inequality in the subcontinent, then you’re right, SAALT is not going to focus its advocacy on policies abroad. They’re an explicitly U.S.-based, U.S.-desi advocacy organization, and their work is rooted in a thoughtful analysis of the different institutions/social constructs (e.g., how race/ethnicity, language access, gender, sexual orientation, socioeconomic class, age, disability, etc.) compound the vulnerability of the desi community within the U.S. Advocacy issues could range from human trafficking, to supporting women in domestically abusive households, to helping workers collectively organize, to providing free health screenings in mobile clinics, to ensuring language access to voters. Which experiences do you believe advocacy organizations ought to focus on?

Your comments speak to a lot of underlying assumptions around who constitutes the SAA community, what their class/experience is in the U.S. (and that such an experience is homogenizing or determinative), and that consequently work to ameliorate social inequality is a luxury, indulgence, or insincere affect. I’m not uncritical of the nonprofit/social justice scene, but it has more often been a privilege, and an incredibly humbling and heartwarming experience, to work with desis who are visionary and passionate about creating a more just and fair society. SAALT does a great job of fostering a conversation that is productive and community building, not ego-driven or superficial.

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By: DAP: Desi American Princess http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238541 DAP: Desi American Princess Wed, 06 May 2009 00:13:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238541 <blockquote>I think if we care about South Asians and their diaspora then rich Indians in America getting diabetes seems much less of a problem than infant mortality rates or the spread of AIDS among the most disadvantaged of us.</blockquote> <p>Ameen!</p> <p>There's nothing more annoying than a bunch of privileged rich kids getting together to whine (and wine and dine) over how their lives are so hard and they suffer so much coz someone called them "dottie" in the second grade or looked at them sideways while fueling up at BP.</p> <p>But I'm glad SAALT is different. Sounds like there's some real potential there.</p> I think if we care about South Asians and their diaspora then rich Indians in America getting diabetes seems much less of a problem than infant mortality rates or the spread of AIDS among the most disadvantaged of us.

Ameen!

There’s nothing more annoying than a bunch of privileged rich kids getting together to whine (and wine and dine) over how their lives are so hard and they suffer so much coz someone called them “dottie” in the second grade or looked at them sideways while fueling up at BP.

But I’m glad SAALT is different. Sounds like there’s some real potential there.

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By: sunzari http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238540 sunzari Wed, 06 May 2009 00:12:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238540 <p>Ray - It's unfortunate that you had a shallow experience with whatever SAA organizations you participated in. The way I see it, even if "privileged ABDS" are only looking to pad their resumes, at least it gets them involved and thinking about SAA issues. You especially can't undercut their potential when it comes to raising money.</p> Ray – It’s unfortunate that you had a shallow experience with whatever SAA organizations you participated in. The way I see it, even if “privileged ABDS” are only looking to pad their resumes, at least it gets them involved and thinking about SAA issues. You especially can’t undercut their potential when it comes to raising money.

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By: Ray http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238537 Ray Tue, 05 May 2009 22:55:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238537 <p>Taz,</p> <p>fair enough. Part of my feelings toward SAALT come from my experiences in south asian organizations in college and high school. organizations that speak to social justice etc. etc. but just seem like platforms for privileged abd's to pad their resumes.</p> <p>"It's not about living in poverty or not. There's issues like higher rates of diabetes, or rates of domestic violence - real disparities in our community- that are not about income level, but are about differences in access to resources."</p> <p>This is the attitude I take issue with when advanced by SAA activists, genuine or not. If we just think about advocacy for the SAA community as a whole, independent of income, then I feel we miss all the genuinely disaffected people that you brought up. The comment about diabetes further illustrates what i feel the problem might be. I think if we care about South Asians and their diaspora then rich Indians in America getting diabetes seems much less of a problem than infant mortality rates or the spread of AIDS among the most disadvantaged of us.</p> Taz,

fair enough. Part of my feelings toward SAALT come from my experiences in south asian organizations in college and high school. organizations that speak to social justice etc. etc. but just seem like platforms for privileged abd’s to pad their resumes.

“It’s not about living in poverty or not. There’s issues like higher rates of diabetes, or rates of domestic violence – real disparities in our community- that are not about income level, but are about differences in access to resources.”

This is the attitude I take issue with when advanced by SAA activists, genuine or not. If we just think about advocacy for the SAA community as a whole, independent of income, then I feel we miss all the genuinely disaffected people that you brought up. The comment about diabetes further illustrates what i feel the problem might be. I think if we care about South Asians and their diaspora then rich Indians in America getting diabetes seems much less of a problem than infant mortality rates or the spread of AIDS among the most disadvantaged of us.

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By: Taz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238519 Taz Tue, 05 May 2009 18:33:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238519 <blockquote>However, by basic income and education metrics, we are also some of the most privileged people in the US as well.</blockquote> <p>Here's the thing ray - those privileged Desis? They don't represent me. My struggles, my families history, and the stories of the "marginalized" in the South Asian community are whited out like with statements like that. This conference wasn't for the privileged South Asians that you see at the usual Netip event. It was a space for the others - the ones who fight for social justice. The ones that are undocumented, the ones that see women that are victims of domestic violence, the ones that know that the Desis in our community can't access public services because they can't speak the language.</p> <p>It's not about living in poverty or not. There's issues like higher rates of diabetes, or rates of domestic violence - real disparities in our community- that are not about income level, but are about differences in access to resources. It's about the intersections of inequities between being South Asian and every other social injustice issue out there. I've already written about the importance of <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005750.html">intersections of disabilities and deafness with the South Asian identity</a>. As well as <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005751.html">my thoughts on the conference as well</a>. Sure there's space to improve for the Summit, but the fact we've gotten here is a huge step, and it can only get more powerful from here.</p> However, by basic income and education metrics, we are also some of the most privileged people in the US as well.

Here’s the thing ray – those privileged Desis? They don’t represent me. My struggles, my families history, and the stories of the “marginalized” in the South Asian community are whited out like with statements like that. This conference wasn’t for the privileged South Asians that you see at the usual Netip event. It was a space for the others – the ones who fight for social justice. The ones that are undocumented, the ones that see women that are victims of domestic violence, the ones that know that the Desis in our community can’t access public services because they can’t speak the language.

It’s not about living in poverty or not. There’s issues like higher rates of diabetes, or rates of domestic violence – real disparities in our community- that are not about income level, but are about differences in access to resources. It’s about the intersections of inequities between being South Asian and every other social injustice issue out there. I’ve already written about the importance of intersections of disabilities and deafness with the South Asian identity. As well as my thoughts on the conference as well. Sure there’s space to improve for the Summit, but the fact we’ve gotten here is a huge step, and it can only get more powerful from here.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238518 Camille Tue, 05 May 2009 18:19:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238518 <p>Ray, have you gone to any of SAALT's strategic alignment meetings or conferences? Or is your impression based on their literature and web information?</p> <p>I'm happy to hear the conference was a success and went well. SAALT has certainly been one of the more organized, and thoughtful groups working to address SAA issues "where they lie" while maintaining a national presence, as well as develop partnerships within our community and across other communities.</p> Ray, have you gone to any of SAALT’s strategic alignment meetings or conferences? Or is your impression based on their literature and web information?

I’m happy to hear the conference was a success and went well. SAALT has certainly been one of the more organized, and thoughtful groups working to address SAA issues “where they lie” while maintaining a national presence, as well as develop partnerships within our community and across other communities.

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By: Ray http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238517 Ray Tue, 05 May 2009 18:13:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238517 <p>South Asians in the united states, are obviously more privileged than their counterparts back home. However, by basic income and education metrics, we are also some of the most privileged people in the US as well. I don't want to marginalize those of us who do live in poverty in this country, but stuff like saalt seems like typical milquetoast, middle class, college kid hot air. Lets give lip service to "advocacy" and "awareness" but not talk about actual disparities in our local and global community.</p> South Asians in the united states, are obviously more privileged than their counterparts back home. However, by basic income and education metrics, we are also some of the most privileged people in the US as well. I don’t want to marginalize those of us who do live in poverty in this country, but stuff like saalt seems like typical milquetoast, middle class, college kid hot air. Lets give lip service to “advocacy” and “awareness” but not talk about actual disparities in our local and global community.

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By: nidhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238504 nidhi Tue, 05 May 2009 13:52:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238504 <p>I rarely comment here, but I must say how surprised to see some of the comments ridiculing SAALT or SM's participation in it. It may not be an organization "saving" poor people in South Asia, but it is doing what anyone interested in development must first do, that is look around yourself and see what you can do here. May be some of you come from rich families and cannot identify with the problems SAALT and other are trying to address, but atleast be a little open and you will see that the South Asian community in the US is diverse, and many experience problems such as hate crimes, and I'm not even address other issues like representation. More than that, this represent every immigrant and minority experience and such gatherings, if anything, support movements initiated by other such communities.</p> I rarely comment here, but I must say how surprised to see some of the comments ridiculing SAALT or SM’s participation in it. It may not be an organization “saving” poor people in South Asia, but it is doing what anyone interested in development must first do, that is look around yourself and see what you can do here. May be some of you come from rich families and cannot identify with the problems SAALT and other are trying to address, but atleast be a little open and you will see that the South Asian community in the US is diverse, and many experience problems such as hate crimes, and I’m not even address other issues like representation. More than that, this represent every immigrant and minority experience and such gatherings, if anything, support movements initiated by other such communities.

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By: Ray http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238490 Ray Tue, 05 May 2009 05:01:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238490 <p>Let's have a conference in washington to discuss how hard it is to be a rich ethnic group in a rich country. Let's talk about sustainability and a bunch of other empty obama talk and ignore the billion or so fellow south asians living in brutal poverty. check out my tweets, lol! south asian harvard club represent!</p> <p>(sent from my blackberry)</p> Let’s have a conference in washington to discuss how hard it is to be a rich ethnic group in a rich country. Let’s talk about sustainability and a bunch of other empty obama talk and ignore the billion or so fellow south asians living in brutal poverty. check out my tweets, lol! south asian harvard club represent!

(sent from my blackberry)

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By: sunzari http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/27/a_few_reflectio/comment-page-1/#comment-238353 sunzari Sun, 03 May 2009 03:56:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5746#comment-238353 <p>Sulabh - As a college intern, I mostly assembled data on hate crimes and hate crimes legislation. I also helped coordinated some of SAALT’s Community Workshops (the ones in NY, NJ and PA). It was not funded.</p> <p>I didn't read most of the comments above so I don't know if there was a dismissive tone against SAALT. In any case, I learned a lot and met some great people.</p> Sulabh – As a college intern, I mostly assembled data on hate crimes and hate crimes legislation. I also helped coordinated some of SAALT’s Community Workshops (the ones in NY, NJ and PA). It was not funded.

I didn’t read most of the comments above so I don’t know if there was a dismissive tone against SAALT. In any case, I learned a lot and met some great people.

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