Comments on: Moving Kahani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: silly-midoff http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-238230 silly-midoff Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:03:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-238230 <p>another bhangraization of the diaspora experience.</p> another bhangraization of the diaspora experience.

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By: kmf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-238223 kmf Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:10:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-238223 <p>You know, there is a problem with the statement "...just pick up a camera and ..." It's a pet peeve but it is very misleading. One just doesn't pick up a camera and create something of value. There are a lot of things that are involved in this process, lots of resources to be invoked, lots of passion and patience is needed. Telling kids to simply pick up a camera and do something is just very uneducated. Lets provide them with a backing and a type of support that truly enables this as well.</p> <p>Just two cents here.</p> <p>p.s. i accidently posted this in another story. gaaah!</p> You know, there is a problem with the statement “…just pick up a camera and …” It’s a pet peeve but it is very misleading. One just doesn’t pick up a camera and create something of value. There are a lot of things that are involved in this process, lots of resources to be invoked, lots of passion and patience is needed. Telling kids to simply pick up a camera and do something is just very uneducated. Lets provide them with a backing and a type of support that truly enables this as well.

Just two cents here.

p.s. i accidently posted this in another story. gaaah!

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By: Dhruv http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-238132 Dhruv Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:57:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-238132 <p>I disagree with the critique of the site being "Indian," and not a "South Asian" one. India itself is already so diverse that I feel a lot would be lost if the project was to lump together an even extreme myriad of different ethnic, religious, cultural, linguistic and national groups.</p> <p>Where does one draw the line on where to divide? A Malayalee Christian would already have a very different experience of integration in Western society than a Buddhist from Sikkim who would in all likelihood have an experience closer to a Chinese American. I mean when someone comes from India, i think the fact that they are Indian has less of an impact on their experiences in this foreign land than their appearance, accent or religion. And that varies greatly in India, and even more in South Asia. I bet the vast majority of Americans still view Sikhs as "Middle Easterners," and their experiences may very well be similar.</p> <p>And isn't this one of the main reasons of the project? To document their experiences? Well, where do you find the common thread in all of South Asia that is yet different enough to not include, say Iranian Americans or Tibetans?</p> <p>Now if you are to add Bangladeshi's, Pakistani's, Nepalese, and Sri Lankan's to the mix, each with their own different patterns and periods of migration, objectives of migration (escape political or religious persecution, in search of better opportunities, or any other reason), the unique identity of the "Indian" experience is further reduced, and you are now you are just a stone's throw away from portraying the "immigrant" experience.</p> <p>Certainly, there are more than sufficient populations of Indians living in America for this project. To Kahani Movement, I think this is a wonderful, long overdue project, but I submit that there is no real need to include all South Asians for the project. I know that the Sepia Mutiny leadership and its members like to use labels such as "Desi," and "South Asian," and like to be inclusive of all South Asian groups, and their responses thus far are commensurate with this, its their first gut reaction. I wholeheartedly respect this; I'm all for South Asian unity, however not only do i not see the need to lump together all South Asian groups in this project, I actually think it would drastically take away from the project. Even the word "Kahani," itself would be unknown in meaning to those that do not speak Urdu/Hindi.</p> I disagree with the critique of the site being “Indian,” and not a “South Asian” one. India itself is already so diverse that I feel a lot would be lost if the project was to lump together an even extreme myriad of different ethnic, religious, cultural, linguistic and national groups.

Where does one draw the line on where to divide? A Malayalee Christian would already have a very different experience of integration in Western society than a Buddhist from Sikkim who would in all likelihood have an experience closer to a Chinese American. I mean when someone comes from India, i think the fact that they are Indian has less of an impact on their experiences in this foreign land than their appearance, accent or religion. And that varies greatly in India, and even more in South Asia. I bet the vast majority of Americans still view Sikhs as “Middle Easterners,” and their experiences may very well be similar.

And isn’t this one of the main reasons of the project? To document their experiences? Well, where do you find the common thread in all of South Asia that is yet different enough to not include, say Iranian Americans or Tibetans?

Now if you are to add Bangladeshi’s, Pakistani’s, Nepalese, and Sri Lankan’s to the mix, each with their own different patterns and periods of migration, objectives of migration (escape political or religious persecution, in search of better opportunities, or any other reason), the unique identity of the “Indian” experience is further reduced, and you are now you are just a stone’s throw away from portraying the “immigrant” experience.

Certainly, there are more than sufficient populations of Indians living in America for this project. To Kahani Movement, I think this is a wonderful, long overdue project, but I submit that there is no real need to include all South Asians for the project. I know that the Sepia Mutiny leadership and its members like to use labels such as “Desi,” and “South Asian,” and like to be inclusive of all South Asian groups, and their responses thus far are commensurate with this, its their first gut reaction. I wholeheartedly respect this; I’m all for South Asian unity, however not only do i not see the need to lump together all South Asian groups in this project, I actually think it would drastically take away from the project. Even the word “Kahani,” itself would be unknown in meaning to those that do not speak Urdu/Hindi.

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By: Kahani Movement http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-238110 Kahani Movement Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:25:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-238110 <p>Taz, thanks for the post...we're big fans of Sepia Mutiny and appreciate the coverage. Kahani is inclusive of the entire South Asian community, though that point wasn't clear in one of our press releases. As our <a href="kahanimovement.com">site</a> states, Kahani "helps you capture untold stories from first-generation South Asians in the U.S. and provide those stories with a platform to be heard." If you see any other references to Kahani being an Indian-only project, please let us know (ideas@kahanimovement.com), so that we can clarify.</p> <p>And yes...we're hoping Abhi partners "Desi Dad", which was a brilliant idea, with the Kahani <a href="http://www.kahanimovement.com/photo">photos </a> section. Still looking for the one of my father grilling tandoori chicken on the backyard patio in short shorts and aviator sunglasses.</p> Taz, thanks for the post…we’re big fans of Sepia Mutiny and appreciate the coverage. Kahani is inclusive of the entire South Asian community, though that point wasn’t clear in one of our press releases. As our site states, Kahani “helps you capture untold stories from first-generation South Asians in the U.S. and provide those stories with a platform to be heard.” If you see any other references to Kahani being an Indian-only project, please let us know (ideas@kahanimovement.com), so that we can clarify.

And yes…we’re hoping Abhi partners “Desi Dad”, which was a brilliant idea, with the Kahani photos section. Still looking for the one of my father grilling tandoori chicken on the backyard patio in short shorts and aviator sunglasses.

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By: zab http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-237995 zab Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:28:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-237995 <p>i second zee's comment. my parents have the exact same reaction when they meet bangladeshi families who want to start up cultural events involving both the hindu indian bengali community and the bangladeshi community. it's important to remember that a great many indian bengalis would not have been indian had partition not occurred. i descend from "east-side" sylheti bangladeshis who fled to assam during partition, so i also grew up listening to nazrul geeti and rabindra sangeet.</p> i second zee’s comment. my parents have the exact same reaction when they meet bangladeshi families who want to start up cultural events involving both the hindu indian bengali community and the bangladeshi community. it’s important to remember that a great many indian bengalis would not have been indian had partition not occurred. i descend from “east-side” sylheti bangladeshis who fled to assam during partition, so i also grew up listening to nazrul geeti and rabindra sangeet.

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By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-237991 zee Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:44:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-237991 <p>Contrary, what Nilu/Taz says, I believe that instead of story of non-Indian-south-asians being dismissed, they will be welcomed by many ; in fact immigrants from the states that shares the border can identify more with these countries than with probably many other Indian states. For example, I got a knee-jerk-like memory reaction the moment I heard the nazrul geeti Nilu posted. I have grown up listening and singing them, even though I am not Bangladeshi. It has happened before, that when my mom found a bangladeshi family while living outside US, she was elated, and took steps to get to know them much more; not so much of an hyper reaction when she met another Indian family who spoke a different language. So, really, a lot of Indians like me would welcome your dadu-didu's golpo.</p> Contrary, what Nilu/Taz says, I believe that instead of story of non-Indian-south-asians being dismissed, they will be welcomed by many ; in fact immigrants from the states that shares the border can identify more with these countries than with probably many other Indian states. For example, I got a knee-jerk-like memory reaction the moment I heard the nazrul geeti Nilu posted. I have grown up listening and singing them, even though I am not Bangladeshi. It has happened before, that when my mom found a bangladeshi family while living outside US, she was elated, and took steps to get to know them much more; not so much of an hyper reaction when she met another Indian family who spoke a different language. So, really, a lot of Indians like me would welcome your dadu-didu’s golpo.

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By: Radhika http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-237988 Radhika Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:34:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-237988 <blockquote>In related news, I need to find out more about this Suneel Gupta, who is hotter than his brother.</blockquote> <p>Sorry for double posting, but I completely agree, Shruti!</p> <p>And as always, the good ones are <a href='http://suneelgupta.wordpress.com/about/'>taken.</a> :(</p> In related news, I need to find out more about this Suneel Gupta, who is hotter than his brother.

Sorry for double posting, but I completely agree, Shruti!

And as always, the good ones are taken. :(

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By: Radhika http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-237983 Radhika Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:33:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-237983 <p>This gives me some ideas about my maternal grandmother. She's had the most amazing life story - with only a fifth-grade education, she speaks passable English and passed the U.S. citizenship test on her first try, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.</p> This gives me some ideas about my maternal grandmother. She’s had the most amazing life story – with only a fifth-grade education, she speaks passable English and passed the U.S. citizenship test on her first try, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

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By: Nilu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-237956 Nilu Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:04:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-237956 <blockquote>It's about how I feel as a Bangladeshi American on the margins looking into this 'Indian' space and not feeling like I belong. At the same time, I am NOT Indian, I am desi, I am South Asian American, <u>and when I do enter spaces labeled 'Indian' my story/history/struggle is dismissed</u></blockquote> <p>THANK YOU FOR ARTICULATING THIS!</p> <p>Taz, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5uBwttbpYU">this is for you</a> (if you don't understand it, ask your father or mother to translate).</p> It’s about how I feel as a Bangladeshi American on the margins looking into this ‘Indian’ space and not feeling like I belong. At the same time, I am NOT Indian, I am desi, I am South Asian American, and when I do enter spaces labeled ‘Indian’ my story/history/struggle is dismissed

THANK YOU FOR ARTICULATING THIS!

Taz, this is for you (if you don’t understand it, ask your father or mother to translate).

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By: Jawani ki Kahani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/21/launching_today/comment-page-1/#comment-237954 Jawani ki Kahani Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:55:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5740#comment-237954 <p>I'm a first gen and this does not apply to me.</p> <p>I however wanted to comment on the thread regarding the whole 'Indian', 'South Asian', 'Brown' identity deal. Aren't they all bankrupt identities anyway? <u>'Indian' </u>- we have see enough North Indian vs South Indian BS. And every state in India has its own division of some sort. Identity in these contexts is based on religion, community, language etc. <u>'South Asian' </u>- India and Pakistan. Nuff said. <u>'Brown'</u> - we have the 'fair and proud' desis and the 'dark and proud' desis. What about the South American browns? Why are they not part of our group and why don't we get invited to join them)?</p> <p>Point is, you can choose to draw this imaginary line called your identity anywhere - but just remember that this line exists only in your head and nowhere else.</p> <p><b>I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together</b>.</p> I’m a first gen and this does not apply to me.

I however wanted to comment on the thread regarding the whole ‘Indian’, ‘South Asian’, ‘Brown’ identity deal. Aren’t they all bankrupt identities anyway? ‘Indian’ - we have see enough North Indian vs South Indian BS. And every state in India has its own division of some sort. Identity in these contexts is based on religion, community, language etc. ‘South Asian’ - India and Pakistan. Nuff said. ‘Brown’ – we have the ‘fair and proud’ desis and the ‘dark and proud’ desis. What about the South American browns? Why are they not part of our group and why don’t we get invited to join them)?

Point is, you can choose to draw this imaginary line called your identity anywhere – but just remember that this line exists only in your head and nowhere else.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

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