Comments on: Jai vs. Bhay ho, slumdog fight http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: YES! THE UPA has a huge lead! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-239548 YES! THE UPA has a huge lead! Sat, 16 May 2009 06:46:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-239548 <p>217 to nda's 144 by latest count with 78 seats to go. projected to get 240-250 seats, so only 22-32 seats short of forming the govt!</p> 217 to nda’s 144 by latest count with 78 seats to go. projected to get 240-250 seats, so only 22-32 seats short of forming the govt!

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By: D Chaudhury http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-238182 D Chaudhury Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:12:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-238182 <p>Cmon! Indian Cinema has moved on. What you are talking about might happen in a B-grade film or even South Indian movies which still sport melodrama. However, most Bollywood fare has matured from the 90s - ie the stereotype you mentioned.</p> <p>One thing I agree on though - the girl would have had a larger portion to act out if it were made in Bollywood. F Pinto barely has 5 minuted on screen.</p> Cmon! Indian Cinema has moved on. What you are talking about might happen in a B-grade film or even South Indian movies which still sport melodrama. However, most Bollywood fare has matured from the 90s – ie the stereotype you mentioned.

One thing I agree on though – the girl would have had a larger portion to act out if it were made in Bollywood. F Pinto barely has 5 minuted on screen.

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By: Conrad Barwa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-237867 Conrad Barwa Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:05:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-237867 <blockquote>Instead of saying they are pro poor people he's saying they are pro the state of being poor. Hence, pro-poverty. If your electoral fortunes are dependent on keeping poor people on the dole and dependent on you, one cannot expect you to be too zealous about changing their fortunes.</blockquote> <p>Oh I see now - thanks, I didn't think of this in th Indian context. I am mostly unfamiliar with American electoral politics, more used to European ones which play out slightly differently.</p> Instead of saying they are pro poor people he’s saying they are pro the state of being poor. Hence, pro-poverty. If your electoral fortunes are dependent on keeping poor people on the dole and dependent on you, one cannot expect you to be too zealous about changing their fortunes.

Oh I see now – thanks, I didn’t think of this in th Indian context. I am mostly unfamiliar with American electoral politics, more used to European ones which play out slightly differently.

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-237855 Saheli Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:51:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-237855 <p>I don't understand enough Hindi to parse the changes to the song, and have no real opinion on the outcome of the election but this seems incorrect:</p> <p><i>“Anyone should be able to use the song. ‘Jai Ho’ should not belong to any one; it belongs to the country.</i></p> <p>I actually didn't even recognize that it was the theme song of Slumdog and this quote made me think this was yet another ancient patriotic hymn, like Vande Mataram or Gana Mana, that I had simply not heard of. I believe that Bankim Chandra Chattopadhay's and Rabindranath Tagore's estates have both lost copyright by now. But no, it's the credit song for Slumdog written by A. R. Rahman with original lyrics by Gulzar. I could be wrong, but it seems like India's <a href="http://www.education.nic.in/copyright.asp">copyright law</a> is enough like our system that Rahman--or whoever his publisher is--has the right to license public and lucrative performance of the Jai Ho composition as he sees fit. It seems odd for the BJP to lean towards GNU fanaticism. . .</p> I don’t understand enough Hindi to parse the changes to the song, and have no real opinion on the outcome of the election but this seems incorrect:

“Anyone should be able to use the song. ‘Jai Ho’ should not belong to any one; it belongs to the country.

I actually didn’t even recognize that it was the theme song of Slumdog and this quote made me think this was yet another ancient patriotic hymn, like Vande Mataram or Gana Mana, that I had simply not heard of. I believe that Bankim Chandra Chattopadhay’s and Rabindranath Tagore’s estates have both lost copyright by now. But no, it’s the credit song for Slumdog written by A. R. Rahman with original lyrics by Gulzar. I could be wrong, but it seems like India’s copyright law is enough like our system that Rahman–or whoever his publisher is–has the right to license public and lucrative performance of the Jai Ho composition as he sees fit. It seems odd for the BJP to lean towards GNU fanaticism. . .

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By: Bolly Ho http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-237647 Bolly Ho Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:35:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-237647 <blockquote>If your electoral fortunes are dependent on keeping poor people on the dole and dependent on you</blockquote> <p>India doesn't have a dole.</p> If your electoral fortunes are dependent on keeping poor people on the dole and dependent on you

India doesn’t have a dole.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-237645 Yoga Fire Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:40:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-237645 <blockquote>This is not an uncommon view, even amongst many voters in rural north India. It is, unfortunately, almost completely wrong. I am not sure what a "pro-poverty" party is meant to be, most parties at least nominally should be anti-poverty.</blockquote> <p>It was a word-play on the phrase "pro-poor" Conrad.</p> <p>Instead of saying they are pro poor <i>people</i> he's saying they are pro the state of being poor. Hence, pro-poverty. If your electoral fortunes are dependent on keeping poor people on the dole and dependent on you, one cannot expect you to be too zealous about changing their fortunes. Kind of like why Republicans talk a big game about abortion, guns, and gay marriage but always stop short of doing what the principled (lunatic) fringe voted them in for. Once they get it done whose going to support them?</p> This is not an uncommon view, even amongst many voters in rural north India. It is, unfortunately, almost completely wrong. I am not sure what a “pro-poverty” party is meant to be, most parties at least nominally should be anti-poverty.

It was a word-play on the phrase “pro-poor” Conrad.

Instead of saying they are pro poor people he’s saying they are pro the state of being poor. Hence, pro-poverty. If your electoral fortunes are dependent on keeping poor people on the dole and dependent on you, one cannot expect you to be too zealous about changing their fortunes. Kind of like why Republicans talk a big game about abortion, guns, and gay marriage but always stop short of doing what the principled (lunatic) fringe voted them in for. Once they get it done whose going to support them?

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-237642 Sameer Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:48:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-237642 <p>Innocence lost - too many children are sold by their impoverished families to rich men. Being part of an Oscar winning movie didn't prevent the little girl Rubina from being sold for 20 million rupees to a rich sheik by her father and uncles. Luckily for her that sheik was fake: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/271135/THE-father-of-Slumdog-Millionaire-star-Rubina-Ali-has-offered-his-daughter-for-sale-for-pound200000.html</p> Innocence lost – too many children are sold by their impoverished families to rich men. Being part of an Oscar winning movie didn’t prevent the little girl Rubina from being sold for 20 million rupees to a rich sheik by her father and uncles. Luckily for her that sheik was fake: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/271135/THE-father-of-Slumdog-Millionaire-star-Rubina-Ali-has-offered-his-daughter-for-sale-for-pound200000.html

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By: Conrad Barwa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-237572 Conrad Barwa Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:42:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-237572 <blockquote>The Congress as Deeshaa correctly puts it is a pro-poor and pro-poverty party.</blockquote> <p>This is not an uncommon view, even amongst many voters in rural north India. It is, unfortunately, almost completely wrong. I am not sure what a "pro-poverty" party is meant to be, most parties at least nominally should be anti-poverty. The Congress, however, is not a pro-poor party at all; it delivers some sops and minimal redistribution to assuage discontent amongst the have-nots but that is about all. You simply need to look at how Congress ruled states spend money under Central development schemes like the NREGA or the Bharat Nirman scheme. If anything BJP ruled states have doner better on the former. OF course, the BJP is even less of a 'pro-poor' party than the Congress; since it doesn't even do the minimalist redistribution that the Congress does while phsing through neo-liberal policies.</p> The Congress as Deeshaa correctly puts it is a pro-poor and pro-poverty party.

This is not an uncommon view, even amongst many voters in rural north India. It is, unfortunately, almost completely wrong. I am not sure what a “pro-poverty” party is meant to be, most parties at least nominally should be anti-poverty. The Congress, however, is not a pro-poor party at all; it delivers some sops and minimal redistribution to assuage discontent amongst the have-nots but that is about all. You simply need to look at how Congress ruled states spend money under Central development schemes like the NREGA or the Bharat Nirman scheme. If anything BJP ruled states have doner better on the former. OF course, the BJP is even less of a ‘pro-poor’ party than the Congress; since it doesn’t even do the minimalist redistribution that the Congress does while phsing through neo-liberal policies.

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By: Bolly Ho http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-237569 Bolly Ho Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:22:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-237569 <blockquote>uuf! we have to stop living in the time-warp of the 90s when bollywood used to churn out movies full of tinsel and dream sequences... there is sensible cinema coming from bollywood (dev d, gulaal, tare zameen par being cases in point)... bollywood has even tried (in vain) to make fun of itself (dhoondte reh jaoge, luck by chance)... hindi cinema, as we know it, is maturing... but then, we just love to hate bollywood, don't we?</blockquote> <p>I love Bollywood. It is a genre onto itself and I happen to love dance sequences, as long as there aren't too many (I think 3 per film would be enough) and as long as the movie is not too long.</p> <p>Bollywood films have a tendency to go on sometimes beyond even 3 hours.</p> <p>But then, they are made for cinema goers in India and provide "intermissions" mid-way for bathroom/popcorn break, and I think they are made that way as to be a "complete evening out experience".</p> <p>If they could cut down to 3 dance sequences per film and cut down to 2 hour films, I would love Bollywood even more.</p> uuf! we have to stop living in the time-warp of the 90s when bollywood used to churn out movies full of tinsel and dream sequences… there is sensible cinema coming from bollywood (dev d, gulaal, tare zameen par being cases in point)… bollywood has even tried (in vain) to make fun of itself (dhoondte reh jaoge, luck by chance)… hindi cinema, as we know it, is maturing… but then, we just love to hate bollywood, don’t we?

I love Bollywood. It is a genre onto itself and I happen to love dance sequences, as long as there aren’t too many (I think 3 per film would be enough) and as long as the movie is not too long.

Bollywood films have a tendency to go on sometimes beyond even 3 hours.

But then, they are made for cinema goers in India and provide “intermissions” mid-way for bathroom/popcorn break, and I think they are made that way as to be a “complete evening out experience”.

If they could cut down to 3 dance sequences per film and cut down to 2 hour films, I would love Bollywood even more.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/16/jai_vs_bhai_ho/comment-page-1/#comment-237567 jyotsana Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:12:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5732#comment-237567 <p>Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery and the rest on SM, in keeping with the manner in which ethnic communities are named in the US, with the community serving as an adjective and the nationality as noun, as in Italian-American, Catholic American, Hindu American, Gay American, European American, etc., can we please decide to address Indian groups too similarly as Muslim Indians, Christian Indians etc., While in the case of the US the many petals of the flower are of more recent origin, without that in any way lessening the union, in India the followers of the many different tradition based groups have been together for a very long time. There are many other problems, assimilation isn't one of them, and thanks for that.</p> Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery and the rest on SM, in keeping with the manner in which ethnic communities are named in the US, with the community serving as an adjective and the nationality as noun, as in Italian-American, Catholic American, Hindu American, Gay American, European American, etc., can we please decide to address Indian groups too similarly as Muslim Indians, Christian Indians etc., While in the case of the US the many petals of the flower are of more recent origin, without that in any way lessening the union, in India the followers of the many different tradition based groups have been together for a very long time. There are many other problems, assimilation isn’t one of them, and thanks for that.

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