Comments on: Two “Lucky” Films http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ronaldo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-258333 Ronaldo Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:52:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-258333 <p>As a non north indian delhiite, I love seeing Delhi on screen especially in movies like OLLO and Khosla ka Ghosla (and to some extent Dilli-6) which capture it so well. Somehow Abhay Deol and Ranvir Shorey are so authentically "dilli", I almost feel I know these guys. I am not sure if they actually grew up in the Delhi area. Dilli-6 on the other hand was full of characters i could not identify with.</p> <p>I loved Luck by Chance - its a movie I would watch again. Though it is ironic that a movie about Bollywood insiders and outsiders should be full of people who are very definitely in - Farhan Akhtar, Konkona, Hrithik Roshan, the younger kapoor fellow, Rishi Kapoor are all from filmi families. While new directors and female actors seem to get breaks in mainstream hindi cinema, there is hardly a new male lead who is not from one filmi khandaan or the other. I can think of only two male stars who broke into the industry from outside in not-so-recent times - Shah Rukh Khan and Akshay Kumar.</p> As a non north indian delhiite, I love seeing Delhi on screen especially in movies like OLLO and Khosla ka Ghosla (and to some extent Dilli-6) which capture it so well. Somehow Abhay Deol and Ranvir Shorey are so authentically “dilli”, I almost feel I know these guys. I am not sure if they actually grew up in the Delhi area. Dilli-6 on the other hand was full of characters i could not identify with.

I loved Luck by Chance – its a movie I would watch again. Though it is ironic that a movie about Bollywood insiders and outsiders should be full of people who are very definitely in – Farhan Akhtar, Konkona, Hrithik Roshan, the younger kapoor fellow, Rishi Kapoor are all from filmi families. While new directors and female actors seem to get breaks in mainstream hindi cinema, there is hardly a new male lead who is not from one filmi khandaan or the other. I can think of only two male stars who broke into the industry from outside in not-so-recent times – Shah Rukh Khan and Akshay Kumar.

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By: Malathi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-237590 Malathi Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:21:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-237590 <p>The music director, young Sneha Khanwalker (one of only two women music directors in India's film industry apparently), and Neetu Chandra, the young woman who played Abhay Deol's character's love interest are two more among the cast and crew that deserves credit.</p> <p>(Check end of special features on DVD to get to Khanwalker's interview--worth wading through the other less-inspiring interviews.)</p> The music director, young Sneha Khanwalker (one of only two women music directors in India’s film industry apparently), and Neetu Chandra, the young woman who played Abhay Deol’s character’s love interest are two more among the cast and crew that deserves credit.

(Check end of special features on DVD to get to Khanwalker’s interview–worth wading through the other less-inspiring interviews.)

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By: mountaindreamer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-237589 mountaindreamer Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:51:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-237589 <p>As a non north indian delhiite, I love seeing Delhi on screen especially in movies like OLLO and Khosla ka Ghosla (and to some extent Dilli-6) which capture it so well. Somehow Abhay Deol and Ranvir Shorey are so authentically "dilli", I almost feel I know these guys. I am not sure if they actually grew up in the Delhi area. Dilli-6 on the other hand was full of characters i could not identify with.</p> <p>I loved Luck by Chance - its a movie I would watch again. Though it is ironic that a movie about Bollywood insiders and outsiders should be full of people who are very definitely in - Farhan Akhtar, Konkona, Hrithik Roshan, the younger kapoor fellow, Rishi Kapoor are all from filmi families. While new directors and female actors seem to get breaks in mainstream hindi cinema, there is hardly a new male lead who is not from one filmi khandaan or the other. I can think of only two male stars who broke into the industry from outside in not-so-recent times - Shah Rukh Khan and Akshay Kumar.</p> <p>The only other movies I watch (other than hindi) are tamil movies. But there is a big difference in sensibility between hindi and tamil cinema. Tamil cinema seems to be extremely male dominated and I don't just mean that the male lead gets a heftier role. Somehow every aspect of the film - from the way in which the story is told and centered, to the way relationships are portrayed - it all seems very male-oriented at best, and regressive at worst. This is true even of movies like Thavamai Thavamirunda (cheran), chennai 600028 and vaaranam aayiram.</p> As a non north indian delhiite, I love seeing Delhi on screen especially in movies like OLLO and Khosla ka Ghosla (and to some extent Dilli-6) which capture it so well. Somehow Abhay Deol and Ranvir Shorey are so authentically “dilli”, I almost feel I know these guys. I am not sure if they actually grew up in the Delhi area. Dilli-6 on the other hand was full of characters i could not identify with.

I loved Luck by Chance – its a movie I would watch again. Though it is ironic that a movie about Bollywood insiders and outsiders should be full of people who are very definitely in – Farhan Akhtar, Konkona, Hrithik Roshan, the younger kapoor fellow, Rishi Kapoor are all from filmi families. While new directors and female actors seem to get breaks in mainstream hindi cinema, there is hardly a new male lead who is not from one filmi khandaan or the other. I can think of only two male stars who broke into the industry from outside in not-so-recent times – Shah Rukh Khan and Akshay Kumar.

The only other movies I watch (other than hindi) are tamil movies. But there is a big difference in sensibility between hindi and tamil cinema. Tamil cinema seems to be extremely male dominated and I don’t just mean that the male lead gets a heftier role. Somehow every aspect of the film – from the way in which the story is told and centered, to the way relationships are portrayed – it all seems very male-oriented at best, and regressive at worst. This is true even of movies like Thavamai Thavamirunda (cheran), chennai 600028 and vaaranam aayiram.

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By: Lea http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-237565 Lea Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:15:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-237565 <p>I have a feeling that a lot of American desi kids, especially North Indians, grew up with the idea that Indian cinema means flashiness, happy endings, and dancing. But when I was little my family watched mostly Malayalam films and there was very little flashiness or elaborate dancing sequences and most of them had a social message. I think Bengali films, from what I've seen, are similar. My grandfather always talks about how similar Malayalees and Bengalis are and that includes their cinema. I think they tend to be more socially conscious (and I mean the mainstream films, not just the art house ones) partly because they don't do masala and flashiness very well. Tamil and Telugu has its serious directors, not to the extent of Malayalam and Bengali, but they've managed to master the art of masala films at the same time. Of course, Bollywood is very much moving away from the masala now, which explains why Sivaji did well in North India. Tamil cinema is appealing to the audiences who can't relate to the upper middle class values of Bollywood anymore.</p> I have a feeling that a lot of American desi kids, especially North Indians, grew up with the idea that Indian cinema means flashiness, happy endings, and dancing. But when I was little my family watched mostly Malayalam films and there was very little flashiness or elaborate dancing sequences and most of them had a social message. I think Bengali films, from what I’ve seen, are similar. My grandfather always talks about how similar Malayalees and Bengalis are and that includes their cinema. I think they tend to be more socially conscious (and I mean the mainstream films, not just the art house ones) partly because they don’t do masala and flashiness very well. Tamil and Telugu has its serious directors, not to the extent of Malayalam and Bengali, but they’ve managed to master the art of masala films at the same time. Of course, Bollywood is very much moving away from the masala now, which explains why Sivaji did well in North India. Tamil cinema is appealing to the audiences who can’t relate to the upper middle class values of Bollywood anymore.

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By: Yo Lucky, Lucky Yob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-237558 Yo Lucky, Lucky Yob Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:50:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-237558 <p>Well, several of the actors in SDM <b>do</b> have "stark experience" with poverty.</p> <p>And now, thanks to acting in that film, they are given a chance to get out of it.</p> <p>And this may be the start of a new wave of slum actors who will also benefit.</p> <p>Who knows?</p> Well, several of the actors in SDM do have “stark experience” with poverty.

And now, thanks to acting in that film, they are given a chance to get out of it.

And this may be the start of a new wave of slum actors who will also benefit.

Who knows?

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-237556 jyotsana Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:46:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-237556 <p>katiekateBKLN,</p> <p>it is not about poverty based themes. Many have done it before with a stark understanding of the experience. In my earlier posts on this subject I have written about Jayakanthan's "Unnai pol oruvan" [someone like you], Durai's "Pasi" [Hunger] and the Hindi movie it inspired "Chakra". There is Ghatak's classic as well "Nagarik" and several others. Everyone of those movies is set in context and not a set of cliches strung together. SDM unfortunately looks like a tourist's photoalbum, not very different from the absolutely crappy "City of Joy" which has been debunked comprehensively by Dr. Aroup Chatterjee, also the author of the definitive work on Agnes Boiaxhu.</p> <p>While movie critics and film makers in India and the audiences itself have given it a big thumbs down for its poor script and fanciful quality, social workers have criticised the film for making things up beyond excess.</p> katiekateBKLN,

it is not about poverty based themes. Many have done it before with a stark understanding of the experience. In my earlier posts on this subject I have written about Jayakanthan’s “Unnai pol oruvan” [someone like you], Durai’s “Pasi” [Hunger] and the Hindi movie it inspired “Chakra”. There is Ghatak’s classic as well “Nagarik” and several others. Everyone of those movies is set in context and not a set of cliches strung together. SDM unfortunately looks like a tourist’s photoalbum, not very different from the absolutely crappy “City of Joy” which has been debunked comprehensively by Dr. Aroup Chatterjee, also the author of the definitive work on Agnes Boiaxhu.

While movie critics and film makers in India and the audiences itself have given it a big thumbs down for its poor script and fanciful quality, social workers have criticised the film for making things up beyond excess.

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By: katiekateBKLN http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-237553 katiekateBKLN Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:58:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-237553 <p>I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on Tamil director Bala's movies-- Sethu, Nandha, Pithamagan, and recently Naan Kadavul. Gritty is an understatement; the viewer is really put through the wringer. They seem to buck (what I understand to be) the conventional wisdom that movies that show poverty are not popular in India; certainly those flicks made stars of Vikram and Surya. It's not 'poverty porn' because Bala is Indian?</p> I’d be interested to hear people’s thoughts on Tamil director Bala’s movies– Sethu, Nandha, Pithamagan, and recently Naan Kadavul. Gritty is an understatement; the viewer is really put through the wringer. They seem to buck (what I understand to be) the conventional wisdom that movies that show poverty are not popular in India; certainly those flicks made stars of Vikram and Surya. It’s not ‘poverty porn’ because Bala is Indian?

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By: You Lucky, Lucky Yo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-237549 You Lucky, Lucky Yo Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:36:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-237549 <p>Bengali and Malayalam films deal with social issues in an understated way all the time.</p> <p>This big flash and dance style movie is not pan-Indian. Regional cinema has taken on the Bollywood formula and so you will find masala films being churned out of all the woods - Tolly, Molly, Kolly and Bolly, but from day one regional cinema has churned out understated thought provoking films as well and continues to do so.</p> <p>You can find a number of good regional Indian films on youtube.</p> Bengali and Malayalam films deal with social issues in an understated way all the time.

This big flash and dance style movie is not pan-Indian. Regional cinema has taken on the Bollywood formula and so you will find masala films being churned out of all the woods – Tolly, Molly, Kolly and Bolly, but from day one regional cinema has churned out understated thought provoking films as well and continues to do so.

You can find a number of good regional Indian films on youtube.

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By: Yo Lucky, Lucky Yo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-237548 Yo Lucky, Lucky Yo Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:32:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-237548 <p>Bengali and Malayalam films deal with social issues in an understated way all the time.</p> <p>This big flash and dance style movie is not pan-Indian. Regional cinema has taken on the Bollywood formula and so you will find masala films being churned out of all the woods - Tolly, Molly, Kolly and Bolly, but from day one regional cinema has churned out understated thought provoking films as well and continues to do so.</p> <p>You can find a number of good regional Indian films on youtube.</p> Bengali and Malayalam films deal with social issues in an understated way all the time.

This big flash and dance style movie is not pan-Indian. Regional cinema has taken on the Bollywood formula and so you will find masala films being churned out of all the woods – Tolly, Molly, Kolly and Bolly, but from day one regional cinema has churned out understated thought provoking films as well and continues to do so.

You can find a number of good regional Indian films on youtube.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/04/15/two_lucky_films/comment-page-1/#comment-237540 jyotsana Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:19:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5730#comment-237540 <p>Not to diss or discourage new film-makers... Jagte Raho/Ek Din Ratri. Another Raj Kapoor/KA Abbas pathbreaker. The duo worked at all the way from Awaara to Bobby and kept going even when they failed. Jagte Raho was pretty ambitious for its time, and Raj Kapoor decided to pay homage to his 1st Indian home - Bengal (after Peshawar and before Bombay), recording a Bangla version as well delivering his lines himself (being a fluent Bangla speaker as are Shashi and Shammi). It was one of the several movies released around the same time as Pather Panchali, that mark a sort of creative high mark for Indian cinema - the years of 1950-60, that paved the way for Guru Dutt's masterpieces. We need all the movies we can get and we should also be exploring paths that the pioneers explored.</p> Not to diss or discourage new film-makers… Jagte Raho/Ek Din Ratri. Another Raj Kapoor/KA Abbas pathbreaker. The duo worked at all the way from Awaara to Bobby and kept going even when they failed. Jagte Raho was pretty ambitious for its time, and Raj Kapoor decided to pay homage to his 1st Indian home – Bengal (after Peshawar and before Bombay), recording a Bangla version as well delivering his lines himself (being a fluent Bangla speaker as are Shashi and Shammi). It was one of the several movies released around the same time as Pather Panchali, that mark a sort of creative high mark for Indian cinema – the years of 1950-60, that paved the way for Guru Dutt’s masterpieces. We need all the movies we can get and we should also be exploring paths that the pioneers explored.

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