Comments on: Desis Can Save Us… Part II http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Singin' in the Baarish http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235941 Singin' in the Baarish Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:45:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235941 <p>I've never really "gotten" neolibs like Tommy Friedman and Alan Greenspan putting up the Superdesi signal like that. (And IIRC, Tommy-boy got pretty roundly panned for it). I mean, last I checked- Desis here in the States were getting hit by the credit crunch as nasty as anyone else (if not nastier, since all the small-biz loans have gone bone-dry on us). It's like these guys think that, in the midst of a financial crisis caused by them and the accumulated weight of generations of incompetent and profligate US government leadership in both parties, that we can just emit our magic Desi-ooze and solve the problem overnight. A little bit patronizing and just dumb in general. Besides, my magic Desi-ooze is reserved for special circumstances, like winning company-wide March Madness betting pools. (I'm just #5 this time though, my Desi-ooze just isn't what it used to be.)</p> I’ve never really “gotten” neolibs like Tommy Friedman and Alan Greenspan putting up the Superdesi signal like that. (And IIRC, Tommy-boy got pretty roundly panned for it). I mean, last I checked- Desis here in the States were getting hit by the credit crunch as nasty as anyone else (if not nastier, since all the small-biz loans have gone bone-dry on us). It’s like these guys think that, in the midst of a financial crisis caused by them and the accumulated weight of generations of incompetent and profligate US government leadership in both parties, that we can just emit our magic Desi-ooze and solve the problem overnight. A little bit patronizing and just dumb in general. Besides, my magic Desi-ooze is reserved for special circumstances, like winning company-wide March Madness betting pools. (I’m just #5 this time though, my Desi-ooze just isn’t what it used to be.)

]]>
By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235815 MoorNam Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:42:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235815 <blockquote> <blockquote> <p><i>I am concerned that there is a populist backlash building up in this country which will destroy everything in its path including Obama</i>.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>You're concerned? I'm looking forward to it!</p> <p>This is how I see it: Remember in horror movies, just when you thought the killer is dead and the movie is over, the killer makes one last (and futile) grab ending in the hero dealing the fatal blow. Well, just when you thought all forms of collectivism(communism, unionisation, trade barriers, socialism, populism etc) are discredited, they're coming back for one last futile grab. It will last another decade or two, accompanied by severe hardship for the middle class in developed countries (the poor will be finished and the rich will wall themselves off). Eventually, the hero (individualsm/free markets) will deal the final blow. Then the world will see a new begining that will bring back prosperity for a very long time.</p> <p>M. Nam</p>

I am concerned that there is a populist backlash building up in this country which will destroy everything in its path including Obama.

You’re concerned? I’m looking forward to it!

This is how I see it: Remember in horror movies, just when you thought the killer is dead and the movie is over, the killer makes one last (and futile) grab ending in the hero dealing the fatal blow. Well, just when you thought all forms of collectivism(communism, unionisation, trade barriers, socialism, populism etc) are discredited, they’re coming back for one last futile grab. It will last another decade or two, accompanied by severe hardship for the middle class in developed countries (the poor will be finished and the rich will wall themselves off). Eventually, the hero (individualsm/free markets) will deal the final blow. Then the world will see a new begining that will bring back prosperity for a very long time.

M. Nam

]]>
By: izmir evden eve http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235810 izmir evden eve Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:48:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235810 <p>Thank You..</p> Thank You..

]]>
By: dipanjan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235765 dipanjan Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:30:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235765 <blockquote>I'm not sure, but they may technically be required to report changes of address to immigration within ten days</blockquote> <p>Yes for green card holders, no for naturalized citizens. In addition, for maintaining resident status, those with green cards have to be careful about duration and frequency of overseas travels.</p> I’m not sure, but they may technically be required to report changes of address to immigration within ten days

Yes for green card holders, no for naturalized citizens. In addition, for maintaining resident status, those with green cards have to be careful about duration and frequency of overseas travels.

]]>
By: dr amonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235763 dr amonymous Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:22:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235763 <p><i>52 · <b><a href="http://prezyhilton.com" rel="nofollow">Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005698.html#comment235713">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Also where are the benefits of outsourcing/offshoring to the American consumer or worker? Maybe somebody more enlightened can explain on how the American worker or the consumer has benefitted from outsourcing/offhsoring.</blockquote> <p>Before the crisis the middle class may have broken even through lower prices (at, eg. Wal-Mart) due to the fact that it was people in China and Bangladesh and Mexico and... manufacturing their goods rather than people in the American South. This may have made up for the lack of increases in their wages, leading to stagnation in middle class wages (rumour has it). And also there were the imaginary sums that were being accumulated in their monthly IRA statements which have now evaporated. The working class and the poor probably lost money, if they were not jailed, made homeless, or otherwise screwed.</p> <p>However, everyone did gain the satisfaction of seeing already rich people get trillions more in money while the social safety net and the right to unionize was destroyed, which I'm sure must have people feeling really happy right now. Things like this post are, I'm sure, helping matters. ;)</p> 52 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery said

Also where are the benefits of outsourcing/offshoring to the American consumer or worker? Maybe somebody more enlightened can explain on how the American worker or the consumer has benefitted from outsourcing/offhsoring.

Before the crisis the middle class may have broken even through lower prices (at, eg. Wal-Mart) due to the fact that it was people in China and Bangladesh and Mexico and… manufacturing their goods rather than people in the American South. This may have made up for the lack of increases in their wages, leading to stagnation in middle class wages (rumour has it). And also there were the imaginary sums that were being accumulated in their monthly IRA statements which have now evaporated. The working class and the poor probably lost money, if they were not jailed, made homeless, or otherwise screwed.

However, everyone did gain the satisfaction of seeing already rich people get trillions more in money while the social safety net and the right to unionize was destroyed, which I’m sure must have people feeling really happy right now. Things like this post are, I’m sure, helping matters. ;)

]]>
By: dr amonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235762 dr amonymous Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:13:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235762 <p>I take your let-the-market-give-rich-Asians-the-homes proposal and up it by let-the-government-of-China-pay-for-the-homes-instead-of-buying-T-Bills-and-give-them-to-displaced-Chinese-peasants-and-low-wage-workers proposal. My proposal, however, has the benefit of only generating a race x citizenship status x English-medium war in the U.S., rather than a race x citizenship status x class war, as Thomas Freenspan's would.</p> I take your let-the-market-give-rich-Asians-the-homes proposal and up it by let-the-government-of-China-pay-for-the-homes-instead-of-buying-T-Bills-and-give-them-to-displaced-Chinese-peasants-and-low-wage-workers proposal. My proposal, however, has the benefit of only generating a race x citizenship status x English-medium war in the U.S., rather than a race x citizenship status x class war, as Thomas Freenspan’s would.

]]>
By: dr amonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235761 dr amonymous Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:03:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235761 <p><i>40 · <b><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp" rel="nofollow">razib</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005698.html#comment235661">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><i> unless you were born in the US, when the economy goes south or your company starts downsizing we all have to come face ot face with the fence.</i> what do you mean? those with greencards or naturalized are in the same boat as those with birthright citizenship (though i think greencard holders don't get some welfare benefits). </blockquote> <p>They also face deportations and mandatory immigration detention if they are convicted of a whole swathe of crimes. Things like tax fraud, posesssion of enough drugs, etc. If the allegedly liberal immigration bill had passed a few years ago, drunk driving would also have become a deportable offense for green card holders. I'm not sure, but they may technically be required to report changes of address to immigration within ten days, like people in lower immigration categories.</p> <p>Yuck.</p> 40 · razib said

unless you were born in the US, when the economy goes south or your company starts downsizing we all have to come face ot face with the fence. what do you mean? those with greencards or naturalized are in the same boat as those with birthright citizenship (though i think greencard holders don’t get some welfare benefits).

They also face deportations and mandatory immigration detention if they are convicted of a whole swathe of crimes. Things like tax fraud, posesssion of enough drugs, etc. If the allegedly liberal immigration bill had passed a few years ago, drunk driving would also have become a deportable offense for green card holders. I’m not sure, but they may technically be required to report changes of address to immigration within ten days, like people in lower immigration categories.

Yuck.

]]>
By: Chubbz the Deccan Delinquent http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235750 Chubbz the Deccan Delinquent Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:10:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235750 <p>I fully support any initiative to bring more succulent subcontinental babes to our shores!!</p> I fully support any initiative to bring more succulent subcontinental babes to our shores!!

]]>
By: GujuDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235736 GujuDude Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:24:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235736 <blockquote>The American worker is being shafted and he is tired. Last week, JP Morgan Chase annouced that they are discontinuing their 401(k) contributions. On Monday we find out that they are spending $160 million on Jets. The bonuses for the top few hundred executives doled out at JP Morgan Chase last month are probably in hundreds of millions if not billions. </blockquote> <p>Well, between the two parties governing and all the conflict of interest between Congressman, Senators, Big Business, the administration, etc. it's really mocking the taxpayer. I don't know what the future holds, but those sitting in the power positions are taking people for granted and pushing people hard. <a href="http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/haque/2009/03/cold_war.html">I liked what Umair Haque had to say about this</a>:</p> <blockquote>The New Cold War is a battle between economic democracy and economic feudalism. In a democracy, you pay taxes, and elected administrators allocate those financial resources for the common good. In feudalism, taxes are appropriated from you, and allocated by private hands that the public cannot influence, for the private good. In Feudalism 2.0, hedge fund managers are essentially lords to whom people are vassals. You have the right to benefit from your financial assets — but fund managers are who determine their value. In the Geithnerconomy, the salaryman is the new slumdog.</blockquote> <p><a href="http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/haque/2008/11/obamas_seven_lessons_for_radic.html">And this is coming from a strong supporter of Barack Obama</a>.</p> <blockquote>As a young brown American, I couldn't be more deeply or powerfully inspired by the "defining moment" of an Obama presidency. Yet, the seeds of a new challenge have been planted by that victory: for us to harness the lessons of his quiet revolution - our quiet revolution - to seed many, many more.</blockquote> The American worker is being shafted and he is tired. Last week, JP Morgan Chase annouced that they are discontinuing their 401(k) contributions. On Monday we find out that they are spending $160 million on Jets. The bonuses for the top few hundred executives doled out at JP Morgan Chase last month are probably in hundreds of millions if not billions.

Well, between the two parties governing and all the conflict of interest between Congressman, Senators, Big Business, the administration, etc. it’s really mocking the taxpayer. I don’t know what the future holds, but those sitting in the power positions are taking people for granted and pushing people hard. I liked what Umair Haque had to say about this:

The New Cold War is a battle between economic democracy and economic feudalism. In a democracy, you pay taxes, and elected administrators allocate those financial resources for the common good. In feudalism, taxes are appropriated from you, and allocated by private hands that the public cannot influence, for the private good. In Feudalism 2.0, hedge fund managers are essentially lords to whom people are vassals. You have the right to benefit from your financial assets — but fund managers are who determine their value. In the Geithnerconomy, the salaryman is the new slumdog.

And this is coming from a strong supporter of Barack Obama.

As a young brown American, I couldn’t be more deeply or powerfully inspired by the “defining moment” of an Obama presidency. Yet, the seeds of a new challenge have been planted by that victory: for us to harness the lessons of his quiet revolution – our quiet revolution – to seed many, many more.
]]>
By: Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/23/desis_can_save/comment-page-2/#comment-235713 Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:25:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5698#comment-235713 <p>I am not an economist and I have not read the papers on the relationship between native employment v. high skilled/low skilled immigration. Shown sufficient empirical evidence, I am easily persuadable. The powers will however have to prepare the American masses before they move on to the new amnesty scheme for the illegals or significantly expand H-1bs or some new scheme involving immigration. I am concerned that there is a populist backlash building up in this country which will destroy everything in its path including Obama. The American worker is being shafted and he is tired. Last week, JP Morgan Chase annouced that they are discontinuing their 401(k) contributions. On Monday we find out that they are spending $160 million on Jets. The bonuses for the top few hundred executives doled out at JP Morgan Chase last month are probably in hundreds of millions if not billions. The ratio of CEO Pay to Average Pay is around 20:1 in most industrialized nations. In the US it is close to 500:1. Also where are the benefits of outsourcing/offshoring to the American consumer or worker? Maybe somebody more enlightened can explain on how the American worker or the consumer has benefitted from outsourcing/offhsoring.</p> I am not an economist and I have not read the papers on the relationship between native employment v. high skilled/low skilled immigration. Shown sufficient empirical evidence, I am easily persuadable. The powers will however have to prepare the American masses before they move on to the new amnesty scheme for the illegals or significantly expand H-1bs or some new scheme involving immigration. I am concerned that there is a populist backlash building up in this country which will destroy everything in its path including Obama. The American worker is being shafted and he is tired. Last week, JP Morgan Chase annouced that they are discontinuing their 401(k) contributions. On Monday we find out that they are spending $160 million on Jets. The bonuses for the top few hundred executives doled out at JP Morgan Chase last month are probably in hundreds of millions if not billions. The ratio of CEO Pay to Average Pay is around 20:1 in most industrialized nations. In the US it is close to 500:1. Also where are the benefits of outsourcing/offshoring to the American consumer or worker? Maybe somebody more enlightened can explain on how the American worker or the consumer has benefitted from outsourcing/offhsoring.

]]>