Comments on: Wajiha Ahmed: A Second Take on Last Week’s “Long March” in Pakistan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Hollywood http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-238146 Hollywood Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:37:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-238146 <p>Pakistan is going to pieces....where will the terrorists and the nukes go?</p> Pakistan is going to pieces….where will the terrorists and the nukes go?

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-236650 Neena Sat, 04 Apr 2009 06:20:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-236650 <blockquote>104 · <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005693.html#comment235704">Satyajit Wry on March 24, 2009 03:21 AM </a> My pleasure. here it is again.. The speaker is Zaid Hamid, who I'm sure you've seen frequently on GeoTV. He is not from some "rouge group" but a defence analyst and security consultant in your country who has his own think tank.</blockquote> <p>Zaid Hamid is a fake and used to run a <b>cult</b>, <a href="http://teeth.com.pk/blog/2008/10/07/who-is-zaid-zaman-hamid">read here in more detail</a>.</p> 104 · Satyajit Wry on March 24, 2009 03:21 AM My pleasure. here it is again.. The speaker is Zaid Hamid, who I’m sure you’ve seen frequently on GeoTV. He is not from some “rouge group” but a defence analyst and security consultant in your country who has his own think tank.

Zaid Hamid is a fake and used to run a cult, read here in more detail.

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-236392 Sameer Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:09:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-236392 <p><i>"...it’s beginning to seem that the militants are increasingly coming down out of the hills, and their kind of Islam is increasingly driving the agenda of the country. Given what has happened in Swat and NWFP in the past few months, it may be that the real cultural-political undercurrent that needs to be addressed is the growth of that militancy. Not because of <em>America’s</em> war on terror, but actually for Pakistan’s own internal security and stability....Militant al-Qaeda and neo-Taliban elements who crossed the border after US-led strikes in Afghanistan are not ‘religious extremists.’ Rather, they are terrorists with an Islamic veneer. Why is this important? Because there is a common misperception that Pakistanis are sympathetic to these so-called militants...The ‘solution’ to the militancy problem most probably involves a regional effort to resolve the war in Afghanistan (see Rashid and Rubin’s article in Foreign Affairs) and a concerted effort inside Pakistan to reclaim militant-ridden areas. I won’t even try to pretend to have an answer to this dilemma— counterinsurgency is extremely difficult."</i></p> <p>Pakistan has Pakistan to thank for creation and continued support of the militants in their midst. Pakistan created "their kind of Islam" to drive "the agenda of the country" of Afghanistan. Chickens have come home to roost. Counterinsurgency is extremely difficult when you are supporting the insurgents to begin with. Hard to resolve the war in Afghanistan when you are working with militants you created to intensify attacks there.</p> <p>"....The deals come in the wake of three operations carried out by the Pakistani military against the Taliban in the last three years – operations in which the military conspicuously refrained from causing the movement significant harm or from killing its leaders.</p> <p>The apparent capitulation of the <b>Pakistani authorities to the demands of the Taliban is actually a part of a long-standing alliance between them. The Pakistani military – which actually formed the Taliban in the 1990s – has long been using this movement to control Afghanistan and as a tool in its confrontation with the West. The Taliban, for its part, uses the support and protection of Pakistan to consolidate its strength and gain control over increasingly large areas in Pakistan and Afghanistan</b>....<b>Moreover, the cooperation of the Pakistani military is not only with the Pakistani Taliban, but with the Taliban as a whole, i.e., also with the Taliban in Afghanistan.</b> This is evident from the recent interactions between the Taliban in Pakistan and Mullah Omar, leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan. In the beginning of 2009, three Taliban groups in Pakistan's Waziristan district formed a joint organization called Shura Ittihad Al-Mujahideen, under the command of three key figures in Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, namely Baitullah Mehsud, Maulvi Nazir and Maulvi Hafiz Gul Bahadur (the latter two are considered "pro-government").(23) The significant point is that, upon its establishment, the group pledged its allegiance to Mullah Omar, stating: "We regard Mullah Omar as our Amir-ul-Mumineen [i.e., Leader of the Faithful]."(24) This refutes the opinion, often expressed by political analysis, that Mullah Omar does not represent the Taliban in Pakistan. <b>Moreover, in a recent letter to the leaders of the Taliban in Waziristan, Mullah Omar ordered them not to attack the Pakistani security forces, because fighting Muslims could not be considered jihad. He added that the attacks on the Pakistani military were harming the Taliban movement, and that, if the Taliban fighters wanted to wage jihad, they should come to Afghanistan.(25) As a matter of fact, the Afghan website www.taand.com reports that the Taliban and its "supporters" – meaning the Pakistani authorities – have reorganized their forces and are intensifying their attacks in Afghanistan.</b> (26)</p> <p>The interaction between Mullah Omar and the Taliban in Pakistan belies the distinction sometimes made between Taliban-Pakistan and Taliban-Afghanistan. It implies that they constitute a single movement led by Mullah Omar – a movement which is currently inclined to cooperate with the Pakistani authorities.</p> <p>The re-emergence of the Pakistan-Taliban alliance at this time may be linked to the advent of the Obama administration and to the changing strategic situation in the Pakistan-Afghanistan region. Realizing that Obama means to step up the U.S. campaign against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, <b>the Pakistani military has recalibrated its strategic position and brought the Taliban into its fold, to serve as its proxy in a confrontation with the U.S. forces.</b>..." April 1, 2009 http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA50809</p> “…it’s beginning to seem that the militants are increasingly coming down out of the hills, and their kind of Islam is increasingly driving the agenda of the country. Given what has happened in Swat and NWFP in the past few months, it may be that the real cultural-political undercurrent that needs to be addressed is the growth of that militancy. Not because of America’s war on terror, but actually for Pakistan’s own internal security and stability….Militant al-Qaeda and neo-Taliban elements who crossed the border after US-led strikes in Afghanistan are not ‘religious extremists.’ Rather, they are terrorists with an Islamic veneer. Why is this important? Because there is a common misperception that Pakistanis are sympathetic to these so-called militants…The ‘solution’ to the militancy problem most probably involves a regional effort to resolve the war in Afghanistan (see Rashid and Rubin’s article in Foreign Affairs) and a concerted effort inside Pakistan to reclaim militant-ridden areas. I won’t even try to pretend to have an answer to this dilemma— counterinsurgency is extremely difficult.”

Pakistan has Pakistan to thank for creation and continued support of the militants in their midst. Pakistan created “their kind of Islam” to drive “the agenda of the country” of Afghanistan. Chickens have come home to roost. Counterinsurgency is extremely difficult when you are supporting the insurgents to begin with. Hard to resolve the war in Afghanistan when you are working with militants you created to intensify attacks there.

“….The deals come in the wake of three operations carried out by the Pakistani military against the Taliban in the last three years – operations in which the military conspicuously refrained from causing the movement significant harm or from killing its leaders.

The apparent capitulation of the Pakistani authorities to the demands of the Taliban is actually a part of a long-standing alliance between them. The Pakistani military – which actually formed the Taliban in the 1990s – has long been using this movement to control Afghanistan and as a tool in its confrontation with the West. The Taliban, for its part, uses the support and protection of Pakistan to consolidate its strength and gain control over increasingly large areas in Pakistan and Afghanistan….Moreover, the cooperation of the Pakistani military is not only with the Pakistani Taliban, but with the Taliban as a whole, i.e., also with the Taliban in Afghanistan. This is evident from the recent interactions between the Taliban in Pakistan and Mullah Omar, leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan. In the beginning of 2009, three Taliban groups in Pakistan’s Waziristan district formed a joint organization called Shura Ittihad Al-Mujahideen, under the command of three key figures in Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, namely Baitullah Mehsud, Maulvi Nazir and Maulvi Hafiz Gul Bahadur (the latter two are considered “pro-government”).(23) The significant point is that, upon its establishment, the group pledged its allegiance to Mullah Omar, stating: “We regard Mullah Omar as our Amir-ul-Mumineen [i.e., Leader of the Faithful].”(24) This refutes the opinion, often expressed by political analysis, that Mullah Omar does not represent the Taliban in Pakistan. Moreover, in a recent letter to the leaders of the Taliban in Waziristan, Mullah Omar ordered them not to attack the Pakistani security forces, because fighting Muslims could not be considered jihad. He added that the attacks on the Pakistani military were harming the Taliban movement, and that, if the Taliban fighters wanted to wage jihad, they should come to Afghanistan.(25) As a matter of fact, the Afghan website http://www.taand.com reports that the Taliban and its “supporters” – meaning the Pakistani authorities – have reorganized their forces and are intensifying their attacks in Afghanistan. (26)

The interaction between Mullah Omar and the Taliban in Pakistan belies the distinction sometimes made between Taliban-Pakistan and Taliban-Afghanistan. It implies that they constitute a single movement led by Mullah Omar – a movement which is currently inclined to cooperate with the Pakistani authorities.

The re-emergence of the Pakistan-Taliban alliance at this time may be linked to the advent of the Obama administration and to the changing strategic situation in the Pakistan-Afghanistan region. Realizing that Obama means to step up the U.S. campaign against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, the Pakistani military has recalibrated its strategic position and brought the Taliban into its fold, to serve as its proxy in a confrontation with the U.S. forces.…” April 1, 2009 http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA50809

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By: Alberuni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-236142 Alberuni Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:54:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-236142 <p>Here is Irfan Husain on the types of delusional worldview common on pakistani TV.</p> <p><a href="http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/zias-revenge">Zia's Revenge</a></p> Here is Irfan Husain on the types of delusional worldview common on pakistani TV.

Zia’s Revenge

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By: Sanjeev Bery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-236097 Sanjeev Bery Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:26:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-236097 <p>On the intersection of U.S. policy and Pakistani politics, I was particularly surprised to read this link off a Pakistani news twitter feed:</p> <blockquote> <a href="http://www.pakistannews.net/story/482750">Obama calls Zardari, discusses mutual cooperation</a> Pakistan News.Net / Friday 27th March, 2009 (ANI) Islamabad, Mar. 27 : US President Barack Obama telephoned President Asif Ali Zardari on Thursday to discuss mutual cooperation and the situation in the South Asian region. Obama and Zardari spoke about the "Friends of Democratic Pakistan" forum initiative, aimed at promoting and strengthening democracy in Pakistan, The Nation reports... ...Zardari, who launched the initiative of 'Friends of Democratic Pakistan' (FODP) in New York in September 2008, will chair the Friends' Ministerial meeting being held in Tokyo on April 17. The forum consists of 25 countries and multilateral institutions including US, UK, China, EU, Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Canada, Republic of Korea, Spain, the Netherlands, Nordic countries, UN, World Bank, Asian Development Bank and Islamic Development Bank.</blockquote> <p>What is the "Friends of Democratic Pakistan" forum, and why is Zardari chairing it? Given that Zardari was <a href="http://digdeeper.us/2009/03/12/opinion-marching-for-democracy-in-pakistan/">opposed to an independent judiciary</a>, and given that Zardari had to step back from a <a href="http://digdeeper.us/2009/03/10/116/">repressive attempt to shut down the recent Long March</a>, I'm surprised to read that U.S. President Obama was actually chatting with him about this forum.</p> <p>On the one hand, I can understand that if one is to channel development aid into Pakistan (which the U.S. apparently is going to start emphasizing), one needs to do that through that nation's head of state. And Zardari is still the president. But on the other hand, given his obvious anti-democratic actions, it is disappointing that the Obama Administration appears to be lending its implicit support to him by talking to him in the context of his "Friends of Democratic Pakistan" forum.</p> <p>This appears to be related to the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/world/asia/25sharif.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=nawaz%20sharif&st=cse">"concerns" from Washington about Nawaz Sharif</a> as an effective "partner" for dealing with the Taliban. My fear is that the U.S. may be indirectly attempting to boost the legitimacy of Zardari, even though large numbers of Pakistanis came into the streets to oppose him.</p> <p>This approach might help the U.S. get a more pliant "partner" for dealing with the Taliban in the short term, but it's not helpful to Pakistan's democracy in the long run.</p> On the intersection of U.S. policy and Pakistani politics, I was particularly surprised to read this link off a Pakistani news twitter feed:

Obama calls Zardari, discusses mutual cooperation Pakistan News.Net / Friday 27th March, 2009 (ANI) Islamabad, Mar. 27 : US President Barack Obama telephoned President Asif Ali Zardari on Thursday to discuss mutual cooperation and the situation in the South Asian region. Obama and Zardari spoke about the “Friends of Democratic Pakistan” forum initiative, aimed at promoting and strengthening democracy in Pakistan, The Nation reports… …Zardari, who launched the initiative of ‘Friends of Democratic Pakistan’ (FODP) in New York in September 2008, will chair the Friends’ Ministerial meeting being held in Tokyo on April 17. The forum consists of 25 countries and multilateral institutions including US, UK, China, EU, Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Canada, Republic of Korea, Spain, the Netherlands, Nordic countries, UN, World Bank, Asian Development Bank and Islamic Development Bank.

What is the “Friends of Democratic Pakistan” forum, and why is Zardari chairing it? Given that Zardari was opposed to an independent judiciary, and given that Zardari had to step back from a repressive attempt to shut down the recent Long March, I’m surprised to read that U.S. President Obama was actually chatting with him about this forum.

On the one hand, I can understand that if one is to channel development aid into Pakistan (which the U.S. apparently is going to start emphasizing), one needs to do that through that nation’s head of state. And Zardari is still the president. But on the other hand, given his obvious anti-democratic actions, it is disappointing that the Obama Administration appears to be lending its implicit support to him by talking to him in the context of his “Friends of Democratic Pakistan” forum.

This appears to be related to the “concerns” from Washington about Nawaz Sharif as an effective “partner” for dealing with the Taliban. My fear is that the U.S. may be indirectly attempting to boost the legitimacy of Zardari, even though large numbers of Pakistanis came into the streets to oppose him.

This approach might help the U.S. get a more pliant “partner” for dealing with the Taliban in the short term, but it’s not helpful to Pakistan’s democracy in the long run.

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-235916 Neena Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:41:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-235916 <p>Swami - Yup this is the real problem but what can you expect from a country which ruled more by Army than anyone else? There is almost no economic development took place there. We got "one" non US and Army supported PM Zulfi Bhutto but then he was hanged by a our Judiciary system (maybe impartial CJ reopen the case ;). The only thing which can save Pakistan if she able to go for educational reforms and economic independence. This not only neccessary for Pakistan but on the whole for all sub continent, having stronger <a href="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C03%5C19%5Cstory_19-3-2009_pg5_5">trade ties</a> with regional nations like Russia, India, China and Iran is essential. I'm glad <a href="http://www.american.edu/TED/iranpipeline.htm">our governments are working towards it</a>.</p> Swami – Yup this is the real problem but what can you expect from a country which ruled more by Army than anyone else? There is almost no economic development took place there. We got “one” non US and Army supported PM Zulfi Bhutto but then he was hanged by a our Judiciary system (maybe impartial CJ reopen the case ;) . The only thing which can save Pakistan if she able to go for educational reforms and economic independence. This not only neccessary for Pakistan but on the whole for all sub continent, having stronger trade ties with regional nations like Russia, India, China and Iran is essential. I’m glad our governments are working towards it.

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By: Swami http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-235915 Swami Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:08:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-235915 <p>Since it seems a pre-requisite for any Pakistani leader to have Washington's blessing [as per the Times article linked above by Neena], why doesn't Pakistan just become an American protectorate/Colony?</p> <p>Think of all the money the poor Pakistani tax payer will save, if instead of flying to DC, their rulers will get an audience with the U.S. Viceroy right there in Islamabad.</p> Since it seems a pre-requisite for any Pakistani leader to have Washington’s blessing [as per the Times article linked above by Neena], why doesn’t Pakistan just become an American protectorate/Colony?

Think of all the money the poor Pakistani tax payer will save, if instead of flying to DC, their rulers will get an audience with the U.S. Viceroy right there in Islamabad.

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-235912 Neena Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:48:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-235912 <p>Ikram - Any idea who owns the Geo TV? I don't much watch TV due to so many clowns even in western media too, just plain waste of time but I do keep in touch with online news and try to find constructive and impartial sources.</p> Ikram – Any idea who owns the Geo TV? I don’t much watch TV due to so many clowns even in western media too, just plain waste of time but I do keep in touch with online news and try to find constructive and impartial sources.

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-235911 Neena Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:45:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-235911 <p>See I wasn't that <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/world/asia/25sharif.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all">wrong about Mr. Nawaz Sharif</a>.</p> See I wasn’t that wrong about Mr. Nawaz Sharif.

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By: Alberuni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/20/wajiha_ahmed_a_1/comment-page-4/#comment-235860 Alberuni Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:15:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5693#comment-235860 <p>I am not going to burden this blog posting with my "extremism" any further. I would like to congratulate the pakistani people on the success of the lawyers movement and the re-instatement of the CJ. I am also impressed by the increasing open-ness of the pakistani media over the past five years, and the diversity of voices found online and in newspapers. For example, I think that www.dailytimes.com.pk is a excellent newspaper and I cannot think of an indian equivalent that is quite so clear-headed and frank in its assessments.</p> <p>At the same time, statements like "pakistanis do not support terrorism" are obvious lies and contradicted by the sources I mention above. Use of violence for "just causes" - kashmir, shia vs. sunni, assorted islamist and other grievances is deeply embedded in pakistani society and until this is honestly discussed openly, we arent going to make much progress.</p> I am not going to burden this blog posting with my “extremism” any further. I would like to congratulate the pakistani people on the success of the lawyers movement and the re-instatement of the CJ. I am also impressed by the increasing open-ness of the pakistani media over the past five years, and the diversity of voices found online and in newspapers. For example, I think that http://www.dailytimes.com.pk is a excellent newspaper and I cannot think of an indian equivalent that is quite so clear-headed and frank in its assessments.

At the same time, statements like “pakistanis do not support terrorism” are obvious lies and contradicted by the sources I mention above. Use of violence for “just causes” – kashmir, shia vs. sunni, assorted islamist and other grievances is deeply embedded in pakistani society and until this is honestly discussed openly, we arent going to make much progress.

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