Comments on: On Being Down With Dating Brown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: I'm a brown girl, too http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-9/#comment-235542 I'm a brown girl, too Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:35:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235542 <p>...and I think you asked for it, Rayann. You can't say incendiary things and then claim you're being abused when people call you out for your bullshit...and yeah, it IS bullshit. No other word for your attitude is more appropriate. You let one bad experience with a guy cast a pall on EVERY person of that ethnicity? Bullshit. How would you feel if someone got cheated on by a Desi girl, and so they treated YOU like shit? Is that fair? Well neither is what you're doing to brown guys...but that's just it-- I think you're making excuses. Either that or you're the least self-aware person to EVER post on this blog, and let me tell you...that would be astounding.</p> <p>As for your "Ooooh, look at me, I don't look Indian...people think I look white! Isn't that weird? Did you notice how I said that I don't look like the rest of you common darkies? I mean, that's weird, right? And I'm totally not fishing for compliments or trying to let you all know that I'm fair and thus, hot." Your use of the word "weird" as a fig leaf is not effective. Why even throw this bullshit description of yourself in? On the internet, no one can tell you're a dog. Or that you look "Italian", you fair flower-- and no one gives a shit.</p> <p>If you're only attracted to brown guys, but you're always mean to them, then you have issues. Either you're a bitch or...amazingly immature. Being mean to people you secretly like is something second-graders do. Isn't that weird, and by weird I mean LAME? If you're aware of this tendency of yours to act stupid, super-mean and "superior" (your words, not mine), why wouldn't you work on THAT instead of just babbling about it online? Unless you dig being alone. Which is fine, you shouldn't inflict your "weirdness" on normal people, no matter what color.</p> <p>If at 23, it's becoming patently obvious that you'll be alone forever, then perhaps you ARE self-aware...and just lazy. Or so pleased with yourself that you won't bother changing patently dysfunctional things about your behavior. Or maybe you dig solitude. Whatever. I think "asshole" works, too. No, you don't owe us any explanations...but spare us your bullshit in the first place, and there won't be anything which needs explaining.</p> …and I think you asked for it, Rayann. You can’t say incendiary things and then claim you’re being abused when people call you out for your bullshit…and yeah, it IS bullshit. No other word for your attitude is more appropriate. You let one bad experience with a guy cast a pall on EVERY person of that ethnicity? Bullshit. How would you feel if someone got cheated on by a Desi girl, and so they treated YOU like shit? Is that fair? Well neither is what you’re doing to brown guys…but that’s just it– I think you’re making excuses. Either that or you’re the least self-aware person to EVER post on this blog, and let me tell you…that would be astounding.

As for your “Ooooh, look at me, I don’t look Indian…people think I look white! Isn’t that weird? Did you notice how I said that I don’t look like the rest of you common darkies? I mean, that’s weird, right? And I’m totally not fishing for compliments or trying to let you all know that I’m fair and thus, hot.” Your use of the word “weird” as a fig leaf is not effective. Why even throw this bullshit description of yourself in? On the internet, no one can tell you’re a dog. Or that you look “Italian”, you fair flower– and no one gives a shit.

If you’re only attracted to brown guys, but you’re always mean to them, then you have issues. Either you’re a bitch or…amazingly immature. Being mean to people you secretly like is something second-graders do. Isn’t that weird, and by weird I mean LAME? If you’re aware of this tendency of yours to act stupid, super-mean and “superior” (your words, not mine), why wouldn’t you work on THAT instead of just babbling about it online? Unless you dig being alone. Which is fine, you shouldn’t inflict your “weirdness” on normal people, no matter what color.

If at 23, it’s becoming patently obvious that you’ll be alone forever, then perhaps you ARE self-aware…and just lazy. Or so pleased with yourself that you won’t bother changing patently dysfunctional things about your behavior. Or maybe you dig solitude. Whatever. I think “asshole” works, too. No, you don’t owe us any explanations…but spare us your bullshit in the first place, and there won’t be anything which needs explaining.

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By: cindy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-9/#comment-235525 cindy Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:27:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235525 <blockquote>glass houses: Ouch! I am not either! And I think you're totally abusive; like get a grip because you don't even know me, and my problems with boys. Clearly you're a guy (and an insensitive one at that). I mean honestly, I shouldn't have to explain myself here, but I've had some problems in the past: once I had this brown dude (who was totally old, like in his 30s at least) stalking me, so I dunno maybe that's why I'm pretty messed up about boys...but really I didn't owe you any explanation but I'm not an asshole at all. I'm sorry I had to get so personal but you're comment was pretty personal too. </blockquote> <p>i actually agree with glass houses and i'm a girl (of the same age group), but maybe not as harshly. as they say in AA, the first step to finding a solution is acknowledging that you have a problem. if you know that you treat white vs. brown guys differently, why don't you just... change your behavior? especially since it's the brown ones you're attracted to! unless you're trying some hard-to-get strategy, but it must not be working if you're saying that you're the weirdest indian girl ever. it sucks that you were stalked (seriously stalked? or just a malfunctioned dude following you around in a bar? i don't mean to doubt you, stalking is a serious issue, but that's just the thing, it gets thrown around so lightly), but a) 30s is kind of old but not 'totally old' and b) if it made you have problems with guys, why does it only cause problems with brown guys but not with white guys? and honestly, if you write something like that on the internet, where you acknowledge that you're the 'weirdest indian girl ever,' then you do owe an explanation rather than just exclaiming, 'you don't know me!' and people will get personal. just don't take it so seriously.</p> glass houses: Ouch! I am not either! And I think you’re totally abusive; like get a grip because you don’t even know me, and my problems with boys. Clearly you’re a guy (and an insensitive one at that). I mean honestly, I shouldn’t have to explain myself here, but I’ve had some problems in the past: once I had this brown dude (who was totally old, like in his 30s at least) stalking me, so I dunno maybe that’s why I’m pretty messed up about boys…but really I didn’t owe you any explanation but I’m not an asshole at all. I’m sorry I had to get so personal but you’re comment was pretty personal too.

i actually agree with glass houses and i’m a girl (of the same age group), but maybe not as harshly. as they say in AA, the first step to finding a solution is acknowledging that you have a problem. if you know that you treat white vs. brown guys differently, why don’t you just… change your behavior? especially since it’s the brown ones you’re attracted to! unless you’re trying some hard-to-get strategy, but it must not be working if you’re saying that you’re the weirdest indian girl ever. it sucks that you were stalked (seriously stalked? or just a malfunctioned dude following you around in a bar? i don’t mean to doubt you, stalking is a serious issue, but that’s just the thing, it gets thrown around so lightly), but a) 30s is kind of old but not ‘totally old’ and b) if it made you have problems with guys, why does it only cause problems with brown guys but not with white guys? and honestly, if you write something like that on the internet, where you acknowledge that you’re the ‘weirdest indian girl ever,’ then you do owe an explanation rather than just exclaiming, ‘you don’t know me!’ and people will get personal. just don’t take it so seriously.

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By: thinker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-9/#comment-235523 thinker Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:20:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235523 <p>also, it looks like you like to graft experiences with a small group of people to the entire group. and you might be a racist.</p> also, it looks like you like to graft experiences with a small group of people to the entire group. and you might be a racist.

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By: Sine you asked http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-9/#comment-235521 Sine you asked Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:19:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235521 <p>Rayyan - You obviously have very low self esteem. And thr sad part is that, once you are out of your teens, it's pretty tough to change who you are.</p> Rayyan – You obviously have very low self esteem. And thr sad part is that, once you are out of your teens, it’s pretty tough to change who you are.

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-9/#comment-235517 Suki Dillon Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:49:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235517 <p><i>My parents attended a wedding about 5 years ago where an incident like this occured. The groom was Punjabi Sikh Jatt and the bride was white (they are still together). The bride and groom's parents and siblings got along just fine (they still do) but it was some members of the groom's extended family that had a problem. Some went on about how "white women are w----s" and others thought the groom was such a pimp because the wedding functions were going to be full of "freely available white girls" (in reference to the bride's sisters, cousins, and some of her friends, and also some of the groom's friends; most of these women were either married or had boyfriends). The groom's father found out about this, and told those relatives to not attend any of the wedding functions if they were going to say such horrible things (the groom's father no longer has any contact with those relatives).</i></p> <p>Its just jatt's being jatt's. What more can you say about the way they behave. The funny thing is that when ever I go to a punjabi wedding, I notice I never see any punjabi women at the bar. Yet there will be a token 20 something white or asian female and when she goes to get a drink, a bunch of middle aged punjabi jatt guys will all surround her start talking to her. But if some punjabi girl was to go to get a drunk, I don't think they would behave the same way.</p> <p>One thing that I always found funny is when you go to downtown Vancouver on a Friday or Saturday night on Granville St where most of the bars are is. That the punjabi girls are not so innocent and by closing time many are drunk just like those so called slutty girls of other races and they even dress the same way. But when alot of these girls leave the house they always tell there parents that they are going to study and spend the night at there parents house. Yet when they are at punjabi weddings they have to behave while there brothers can make drunk fools of themselves and nobody cares, yet if punjabi girls behave the same way its the end of the world.</p> My parents attended a wedding about 5 years ago where an incident like this occured. The groom was Punjabi Sikh Jatt and the bride was white (they are still together). The bride and groom’s parents and siblings got along just fine (they still do) but it was some members of the groom’s extended family that had a problem. Some went on about how “white women are w—-s” and others thought the groom was such a pimp because the wedding functions were going to be full of “freely available white girls” (in reference to the bride’s sisters, cousins, and some of her friends, and also some of the groom’s friends; most of these women were either married or had boyfriends). The groom’s father found out about this, and told those relatives to not attend any of the wedding functions if they were going to say such horrible things (the groom’s father no longer has any contact with those relatives).

Its just jatt’s being jatt’s. What more can you say about the way they behave. The funny thing is that when ever I go to a punjabi wedding, I notice I never see any punjabi women at the bar. Yet there will be a token 20 something white or asian female and when she goes to get a drink, a bunch of middle aged punjabi jatt guys will all surround her start talking to her. But if some punjabi girl was to go to get a drunk, I don’t think they would behave the same way.

One thing that I always found funny is when you go to downtown Vancouver on a Friday or Saturday night on Granville St where most of the bars are is. That the punjabi girls are not so innocent and by closing time many are drunk just like those so called slutty girls of other races and they even dress the same way. But when alot of these girls leave the house they always tell there parents that they are going to study and spend the night at there parents house. Yet when they are at punjabi weddings they have to behave while there brothers can make drunk fools of themselves and nobody cares, yet if punjabi girls behave the same way its the end of the world.

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By: Rayyan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-9/#comment-235516 Rayyan Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:41:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235516 <p>thinker: I mean I actually talk to them and make friends.</p> <p>glass houses: Ouch! I am not either! And I think you're totally abusive; like get a grip because you don't even know me, and my problems with boys. Clearly you're a guy (and an insensitive one at that). I mean honestly, I shouldn't have to explain myself here, but I've had some problems in the past: once I had this brown dude (who was totally old, like in his 30s at least) stalking me, so I dunno maybe that's why I'm pretty messed up about boys...but really I didn't owe you any explanation but I'm not an asshole at all. I'm sorry I had to get so personal but you're comment was pretty personal too.</p> thinker: I mean I actually talk to them and make friends.

glass houses: Ouch! I am not either! And I think you’re totally abusive; like get a grip because you don’t even know me, and my problems with boys. Clearly you’re a guy (and an insensitive one at that). I mean honestly, I shouldn’t have to explain myself here, but I’ve had some problems in the past: once I had this brown dude (who was totally old, like in his 30s at least) stalking me, so I dunno maybe that’s why I’m pretty messed up about boys…but really I didn’t owe you any explanation but I’m not an asshole at all. I’m sorry I had to get so personal but you’re comment was pretty personal too.

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-9/#comment-235515 Suki Dillon Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:37:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235515 <p><i>If those horrid people say these things in front of your parents and cousin, they should be telling these people to f--- off and mind their own business.</i></p> <p>The sad thing is that these people own families are so screwed up. One time couple of years ago, there was this guy who one grandson been killed in the past year who was a gang thug, and another grandson was involved in gang shooting. Yet when he saw my sister, he started talking to her about he she was a bad person for not marrying a jatt boy. The old guy was those uneducated punjabi types who been in Canada for more then 20 years and yet had no effort to learn English and was stuck with his old pind way of thinking.</p> If those horrid people say these things in front of your parents and cousin, they should be telling these people to f— off and mind their own business.

The sad thing is that these people own families are so screwed up. One time couple of years ago, there was this guy who one grandson been killed in the past year who was a gang thug, and another grandson was involved in gang shooting. Yet when he saw my sister, he started talking to her about he she was a bad person for not marrying a jatt boy. The old guy was those uneducated punjabi types who been in Canada for more then 20 years and yet had no effort to learn English and was stuck with his old pind way of thinking.

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By: glass houses http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-9/#comment-235514 glass houses Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:08:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235514 <p>"Like I'm super-mean, for some unfathomable reason,"</p> <p>frankly Rayyan if you are self aware enough to know this and yet STILL act badly then honey you're just an asshole and you deserve to be alone...change immediately!</p> “Like I’m super-mean, for some unfathomable reason,”

frankly Rayyan if you are self aware enough to know this and yet STILL act badly then honey you’re just an asshole and you deserve to be alone…change immediately!

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By: thinker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-9/#comment-235510 thinker Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:31:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235510 <p><i>Then I'm only ever, ever attracted to brown guys. But, and this is why I'm so weird, I'm always mean to the brown boys who flirt with me, especially if I'm attracted to them. Like I'm super-mean, for some unfathomable reason, and I'll just act really stupid and stuck-up and superior. And I'm nice to white boys whom I'm not remotely attracted to. At 23, I'm beginning to think that it's becoming patently obvious that I will be alone forever. </i></p> <p>interesting. what doyou mean by "nice to white boys" maybe a little clarification would help.</p> Then I’m only ever, ever attracted to brown guys. But, and this is why I’m so weird, I’m always mean to the brown boys who flirt with me, especially if I’m attracted to them. Like I’m super-mean, for some unfathomable reason, and I’ll just act really stupid and stuck-up and superior. And I’m nice to white boys whom I’m not remotely attracted to. At 23, I’m beginning to think that it’s becoming patently obvious that I will be alone forever.

interesting. what doyou mean by “nice to white boys” maybe a little clarification would help.

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By: Rayyan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/17/on_being_down_w_1/comment-page-8/#comment-235482 Rayyan Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:02:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5687#comment-235482 <p>I'm sure I am the weirdest Indian girl ever. To start with I don't look Indian enough and everyone thinks I'm Italian, Arab or once (very weirdly) Japanese, when I'm actually a South Indian Muslim. Then I'm only ever, ever attracted to brown guys. But, and this is why I'm so weird, I'm always mean to the brown boys who flirt with me, especially if I'm attracted to them. Like I'm super-mean, for some unfathomable reason, and I'll just act really stupid and stuck-up and superior. And I'm nice to white boys whom I'm not remotely attracted to. At 23, I'm beginning to think that it's becoming patently obvious that I will be alone forever. Also I think all of these stats about race and marriage or love or whatever are so stupid. I mean really, anyone can be attracted to anyone right? But maybe people who are more attracted to people from their own background just don't want to explain all of our many cultural weirdnesses to someone else (you're going to do shave our baby's head WHY?). Or maybe like me, it's just an aesthetic preference--I mean there is nothing more attractive on a guy than melanin and stubble. :-P</p> I’m sure I am the weirdest Indian girl ever. To start with I don’t look Indian enough and everyone thinks I’m Italian, Arab or once (very weirdly) Japanese, when I’m actually a South Indian Muslim. Then I’m only ever, ever attracted to brown guys. But, and this is why I’m so weird, I’m always mean to the brown boys who flirt with me, especially if I’m attracted to them. Like I’m super-mean, for some unfathomable reason, and I’ll just act really stupid and stuck-up and superior. And I’m nice to white boys whom I’m not remotely attracted to. At 23, I’m beginning to think that it’s becoming patently obvious that I will be alone forever. Also I think all of these stats about race and marriage or love or whatever are so stupid. I mean really, anyone can be attracted to anyone right? But maybe people who are more attracted to people from their own background just don’t want to explain all of our many cultural weirdnesses to someone else (you’re going to do shave our baby’s head WHY?). Or maybe like me, it’s just an aesthetic preference–I mean there is nothing more attractive on a guy than melanin and stubble. :-P

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