Comments on: Where the Indians are http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: hema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234485 hema Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:58:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234485 <p>Interesting.</p> <p>Let the brownification of Montana and Wyoming begin! :)</p> Interesting.

Let the brownification of Montana and Wyoming begin! :)

]]> By: dipanjan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234350 dipanjan Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:00:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234350 <p>Here is another data point - Rediff.com is a top 5,000 site that reaches over 1.1 million U.S. people monthly. (<a href="http://www.quantcast.com/rediff.com">Quantcast</a>) If there are more IBDs who do not visit rediff than non-IBDs who do, both 1M and 1.5M seem low.</p> Here is another data point – Rediff.com is a top 5,000 site that reaches over 1.1 million U.S. people monthly. (Quantcast) If there are more IBDs who do not visit rediff than non-IBDs who do, both 1M and 1.5M seem low.

]]> By: dipanjan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234344 dipanjan Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:41:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234344 <blockquote>That lonely Indian family in Idaho needs company.</blockquote> <p>Thats's my cousin.</p> <p>Koschei @16,</p> <p>1 Million total IBD in 2000 still seems low to me. Note that I was not discounting returning F1 students. Given the duration of BS/MS/Phd programs, at any point, students entering US within last 3-4 years should remain on F1(J1) status regardless of whether students who came prior to that period returned or not.</p> <p>H1-b visas are sponsored by two types of companies - large US companies hiring permanent employees most of whom eventually get green cards, and Indian consulting companies hiring IBDs on short-term projects, and then reusing alloted H1b visas for future projects. Very few, if any, H1-bs alloted to India-based consulting companies remain unused at any point of time. Since bulk of H1-bs with six-year expiration period were sponsored during the second half of 90s, you would expect the visa holders to be in US in 2000.</p> <p>1.5 Million in 2005 I can believe. But now the numbers appear internally inconsistent - 50% growth between 2000 and 2007 seems high given H1b quote and .com boom peaked during 99-00.</p> <p>Not that we have any better source than census.</p> That lonely Indian family in Idaho needs company.

Thats’s my cousin.

Koschei @16,

1 Million total IBD in 2000 still seems low to me. Note that I was not discounting returning F1 students. Given the duration of BS/MS/Phd programs, at any point, students entering US within last 3-4 years should remain on F1(J1) status regardless of whether students who came prior to that period returned or not.

H1-b visas are sponsored by two types of companies – large US companies hiring permanent employees most of whom eventually get green cards, and Indian consulting companies hiring IBDs on short-term projects, and then reusing alloted H1b visas for future projects. Very few, if any, H1-bs alloted to India-based consulting companies remain unused at any point of time. Since bulk of H1-bs with six-year expiration period were sponsored during the second half of 90s, you would expect the visa holders to be in US in 2000.

1.5 Million in 2005 I can believe. But now the numbers appear internally inconsistent – 50% growth between 2000 and 2007 seems high given H1b quote and .com boom peaked during 99-00.

Not that we have any better source than census.

]]> By: remo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234118 remo Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:44:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234118 <p>That lonely Indian family in Idaho needs company.</p> That lonely Indian family in Idaho needs company.

]]> By: vk http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234109 vk Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:22:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234109 <p>This map may not be so accurate. Somehow, Blair County, PA had 88 Indian-born residents in 1970, 0 in 1980, and 68 in 1990. I'm from there, and I know a number of people who've lived there continuously since the late 60s.</p> This map may not be so accurate. Somehow, Blair County, PA had 88 Indian-born residents in 1970, 0 in 1980, and 68 in 1990. I’m from there, and I know a number of people who’ve lived there continuously since the late 60s.

]]> By: Koschei http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234107 Koschei Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:15:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234107 <p>Melbourne Desi, I had the same idea, but the age cohort of the working population I feel is not enough to explain away the near 3 to 1 gap in earning potential, at least not entirely. The median age of all ethnic Indians in America is 32.2 while that of ethnic Indians in America of Indian birth is 37.2. Since these are median ages, its not possible to draw an exact figure for the remainder of the population, but it should be in the mid to late 20's. I think age is partially a factor, but there are also two other considerations. One is a regression towards the mean affect of Indians born in America and second is quite likely the unrepresentative nature of the ethnic Indian immigrants from India. Over 74.1% of that population have university degrees with over 40% possessing graduate degrees. I am not sure if even one percent of Indians in Indian possess a graduate degree. The reason I bring this up is because I am surprised that the Indian socio-economic mix in the U.S. is more akin to Singapore than I had originally expected from anecdotal information. I am not sure if anyone is familiar with Singapore, but in that country there are stark class differences that split the Indian community there between the majority population native to Singapore and a significant minority of Indians that have arrived post 1990. I'm sure this is a topic that Razib would probably be interested in.</p> Melbourne Desi, I had the same idea, but the age cohort of the working population I feel is not enough to explain away the near 3 to 1 gap in earning potential, at least not entirely. The median age of all ethnic Indians in America is 32.2 while that of ethnic Indians in America of Indian birth is 37.2. Since these are median ages, its not possible to draw an exact figure for the remainder of the population, but it should be in the mid to late 20′s. I think age is partially a factor, but there are also two other considerations. One is a regression towards the mean affect of Indians born in America and second is quite likely the unrepresentative nature of the ethnic Indian immigrants from India. Over 74.1% of that population have university degrees with over 40% possessing graduate degrees. I am not sure if even one percent of Indians in Indian possess a graduate degree. The reason I bring this up is because I am surprised that the Indian socio-economic mix in the U.S. is more akin to Singapore than I had originally expected from anecdotal information. I am not sure if anyone is familiar with Singapore, but in that country there are stark class differences that split the Indian community there between the majority population native to Singapore and a significant minority of Indians that have arrived post 1990. I’m sure this is a topic that Razib would probably be interested in.

]]> By: tamash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234082 tamash Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:11:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234082 <p><i>3 · <b><a href="http://janeofalltrades.verveblogs.com/">Janeofalltrades</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005678.html#comment233988">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>nd</blockquote> <p>Um, ACTUALLY the bunker <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005565.html">is in NORTH Dakota</a>.</p> 3 · Janeofalltrades said

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Um, ACTUALLY the bunker is in NORTH Dakota.

]]> By: lostone http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234080 lostone Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:48:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234080 <p>wyoming needs some brown.</p> wyoming needs some brown.

]]> By: desiflight http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234074 desiflight Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:41:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234074 <p>I found it interesting that the Indian population decreased between 1970 and 1980 in three cities - Detroit, Los Angeles, and Brooklyn. I'm thinking they entered post-1965, finished school, left for the suburbs once income levels rose.</p> I found it interesting that the Indian population decreased between 1970 and 1980 in three cities – Detroit, Los Angeles, and Brooklyn. I’m thinking they entered post-1965, finished school, left for the suburbs once income levels rose.

]]> By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/11/where_the_india/comment-page-1/#comment-234072 razib Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:30:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5678#comment-234072 <p>check out the time lapse option. in 1970 LA was the american center for brown folk. 1960s counterculture?</p> check out the time lapse option. in 1970 LA was the american center for brown folk. 1960s counterculture?

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