Comments on: Sri Lankan Cricket Team Attacked in Lahore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: rob's nightmare http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-4/#comment-233842 rob's nightmare Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:58:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233842 <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/world/asia/10terror.html?hp">awww...</a>, this kind of concern for human life gives one the willies.</p> awww…, this kind of concern for human life gives one the willies.

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By: worf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-4/#comment-233645 worf Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:32:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233645 <p><i>151 · <b>Gorbag</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005659.html#comment233633">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Worf, you are obviously a very ignorant person. Indians get along fine with each other. Have you ever been to India? </blockquote> <p>Clearly you are a very intelligent person.</p> 151 · Gorbag said

Worf, you are obviously a very ignorant person. Indians get along fine with each other. Have you ever been to India?

Clearly you are a very intelligent person.

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By: Gorbag http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-4/#comment-233633 Gorbag Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:56:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233633 <p>Worf, you are obviously a very ignorant person. Indians get along fine with each other. Have you ever been to India?</p> Worf, you are obviously a very ignorant person. Indians get along fine with each other. Have you ever been to India?

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By: Nayagan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-3/#comment-233623 Nayagan Sat, 07 Mar 2009 06:00:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233623 <p>Ijaz Butt is a disgrace. that's not exactly a revelation but crystal clear now.</p> Ijaz Butt is a disgrace. that’s not exactly a revelation but crystal clear now.

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By: Sharmishtha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-3/#comment-233610 Sharmishtha Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:48:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233610 <p>We are moving beyond the topic of the attack on the cricketers. The only thing I want to add is that too much devolution of power is not necessarily the answer either. States' rights have been the cover for all sorts of gross abuses of power including slavery, segregation (would the southern states of the US ever have de-segregated voluntarily without the Supreme Court's Brown vs. the Board of Education verdict?). In India, too much localism leads to all sorts of problems. Here I agree with B. R. Ambedkar who led the Constitution Committee when he argued for a more not a less centralized system. The oppression of caste, for example, is the hallmark of a society that has devolved power to the village unit (caste atrocities are rare in urban locales). These little so-called village republics are also nests of parochial backwardness, they are not little Gardens of Edens. And as for allowing too much financial autonomy, most of the states got into their fiscal and debt crises by arguing that they should have direct negotiating power with multinational corporations and funding agencies. Andhra Pradesh is a prime example of how greater financial decision-making power at the state level has not led to wiser or better decision-making. For myself, given the current security situation in the region, there is no alternative to maintaining a strong, federal union with a strong center. OK, that's it on this discussion for me.</p> We are moving beyond the topic of the attack on the cricketers. The only thing I want to add is that too much devolution of power is not necessarily the answer either. States’ rights have been the cover for all sorts of gross abuses of power including slavery, segregation (would the southern states of the US ever have de-segregated voluntarily without the Supreme Court’s Brown vs. the Board of Education verdict?). In India, too much localism leads to all sorts of problems. Here I agree with B. R. Ambedkar who led the Constitution Committee when he argued for a more not a less centralized system. The oppression of caste, for example, is the hallmark of a society that has devolved power to the village unit (caste atrocities are rare in urban locales). These little so-called village republics are also nests of parochial backwardness, they are not little Gardens of Edens. And as for allowing too much financial autonomy, most of the states got into their fiscal and debt crises by arguing that they should have direct negotiating power with multinational corporations and funding agencies. Andhra Pradesh is a prime example of how greater financial decision-making power at the state level has not led to wiser or better decision-making. For myself, given the current security situation in the region, there is no alternative to maintaining a strong, federal union with a strong center. OK, that’s it on this discussion for me.

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By: worf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-3/#comment-233548 worf Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:34:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233548 <p><i>147 · <b>Sharmishtha</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005659.html#comment233517">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>India has already been through that process about 50 years ago. Ever heard of the States Reorganization Act 1956? And all the language riots and ethnic riots that accompanied that messy process toward streamlining state borders? I am not completely in favor of any further reorganization. It doesn't make any more <i>administrative</i> sense to do so, but intra-state separatist movements keep popping up, e.g. Gorkhaland and the Naga unification movement at the expense of other northeastern states. Perhaps it's time for Pakistan and Bangladesh to apply the same Act to themselves. </blockquote> <p>India has only begun the process with that act. By reconstitution I was referring to a much greater devolution of powers. Keep defence, foreign affairs and certain other aspects under centralized control, while allowing the states to have total control over their economic and political future. This would be as close as possible to a confederation. This will be messy but it will be up to the state governments to negotiate and broker state borders. Compromise is crucial here. A small part of the reason why India has so much widespread poverty (half of the world's poverty and hunger is the extensive bureaucracy and corruption that comes with too much centralization of administrative structures.</p> <p>One of the many reasons why Europe outpaced China past the 14th century was the diversity of worldviews and ways of thinking embodied across the region whether it be political, economic or cultural. India will only out-turtle China if and only if it embraces and enhances its internal diversity as much as it can without endangering the unity of the monopoly on violence.</p> <p>At the same time I think democracy at the 'federal' level shouldn't be done by mass voting but rather equal or slightly in-equal number of representatives from each internal state. If the population of a people or a size of the state is too small, make them a canton (as exists in parts of Europe, specifically Switzerland) and give them some sort of appropriate representation at the 'federal' level. This will allow for certain states to be broken up further as to recognize the wishes of the people on the ground. This also avoids the bouts of majoritarianism that are bound break out more often as the demographics of individual states further diverge.</p> <p>Such extensive reforms will also allow an avenue for the rest of South Asia to be integrated into such a supra-state of sorts without risking their autonomy. Only true power to the people(bottom-up) will allow India to eradicate the inexcusably high levels of poverty, hunger and inequality, thereby allowing it out-turtle homogeneous autocratic China(top-bottom).</p> 147 · Sharmishtha said

India has already been through that process about 50 years ago. Ever heard of the States Reorganization Act 1956? And all the language riots and ethnic riots that accompanied that messy process toward streamlining state borders? I am not completely in favor of any further reorganization. It doesn’t make any more administrative sense to do so, but intra-state separatist movements keep popping up, e.g. Gorkhaland and the Naga unification movement at the expense of other northeastern states. Perhaps it’s time for Pakistan and Bangladesh to apply the same Act to themselves.

India has only begun the process with that act. By reconstitution I was referring to a much greater devolution of powers. Keep defence, foreign affairs and certain other aspects under centralized control, while allowing the states to have total control over their economic and political future. This would be as close as possible to a confederation. This will be messy but it will be up to the state governments to negotiate and broker state borders. Compromise is crucial here. A small part of the reason why India has so much widespread poverty (half of the world’s poverty and hunger is the extensive bureaucracy and corruption that comes with too much centralization of administrative structures.

One of the many reasons why Europe outpaced China past the 14th century was the diversity of worldviews and ways of thinking embodied across the region whether it be political, economic or cultural. India will only out-turtle China if and only if it embraces and enhances its internal diversity as much as it can without endangering the unity of the monopoly on violence.

At the same time I think democracy at the ‘federal’ level shouldn’t be done by mass voting but rather equal or slightly in-equal number of representatives from each internal state. If the population of a people or a size of the state is too small, make them a canton (as exists in parts of Europe, specifically Switzerland) and give them some sort of appropriate representation at the ‘federal’ level. This will allow for certain states to be broken up further as to recognize the wishes of the people on the ground. This also avoids the bouts of majoritarianism that are bound break out more often as the demographics of individual states further diverge.

Such extensive reforms will also allow an avenue for the rest of South Asia to be integrated into such a supra-state of sorts without risking their autonomy. Only true power to the people(bottom-up) will allow India to eradicate the inexcusably high levels of poverty, hunger and inequality, thereby allowing it out-turtle homogeneous autocratic China(top-bottom).

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By: Sharmishtha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-3/#comment-233517 Sharmishtha Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:08:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233517 <p>India has already been through that process about 50 years ago. Ever heard of the States Reorganization Act 1956? And all the language riots and ethnic riots that accompanied that messy process toward streamlining state borders? I am not completely in favor of any further reorganization. It doesn't make any more <i>administrative</i> sense to do so, but intra-state separatist movements keep popping up, e.g. Gorkhaland and the Naga unification movement at the expense of other northeastern states. Perhaps it's time for Pakistan and Bangladesh to apply the same Act to themselves.</p> India has already been through that process about 50 years ago. Ever heard of the States Reorganization Act 1956? And all the language riots and ethnic riots that accompanied that messy process toward streamlining state borders? I am not completely in favor of any further reorganization. It doesn’t make any more administrative sense to do so, but intra-state separatist movements keep popping up, e.g. Gorkhaland and the Naga unification movement at the expense of other northeastern states. Perhaps it’s time for Pakistan and Bangladesh to apply the same Act to themselves.

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By: worf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-3/#comment-233446 worf Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:02:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233446 <p>Just to elaborate on what Razib said, I think South Asia, Africa and maybe even much of the rest of the formerly colonized are better off being reconstituted nationally along lines that are more reflective of internal ethnic/linguistic makeup as appropriate. This would mean much more cohesive states more capable of eradicating poverty. The current national regimes in place globally are all mostly British and European constructs that have never been prior to European domination.</p> <p>India itself is ultimately fated to either being reconstituted to be more like the EU (absorbing the rest of South Asia in the process) or be completely Balkanized (again along with the rest of South asia).</p> Just to elaborate on what Razib said, I think South Asia, Africa and maybe even much of the rest of the formerly colonized are better off being reconstituted nationally along lines that are more reflective of internal ethnic/linguistic makeup as appropriate. This would mean much more cohesive states more capable of eradicating poverty. The current national regimes in place globally are all mostly British and European constructs that have never been prior to European domination.

India itself is ultimately fated to either being reconstituted to be more like the EU (absorbing the rest of South Asia in the process) or be completely Balkanized (again along with the rest of South asia).

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By: Zainab http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-3/#comment-233379 Zainab Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:10:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233379 <p>Sherni-e-Kabul -</p> <p>"Afghanistan used to have the reputation as one of the most hospitable places in the world, and Afghanis as amongst the most sweet and kind."</p> <p>I am surprised that a woman is saying this. Even when they were sweet and kind, Afghan society was highly tolerant of misogyny and pedophilia. Females were chattel, to be awarded to rivals for settling disputes. To be born a woman in Afghanistan, particularly in an economically disadvantaged family, pretty much condemns you for life.</p> <p>However, this doesn't mean that the Afghans deserve what is happening to them over the last few decades.</p> <p>p.s. cool handle......sherni.</p> Sherni-e-Kabul -

“Afghanistan used to have the reputation as one of the most hospitable places in the world, and Afghanis as amongst the most sweet and kind.”

I am surprised that a woman is saying this. Even when they were sweet and kind, Afghan society was highly tolerant of misogyny and pedophilia. Females were chattel, to be awarded to rivals for settling disputes. To be born a woman in Afghanistan, particularly in an economically disadvantaged family, pretty much condemns you for life.

However, this doesn’t mean that the Afghans deserve what is happening to them over the last few decades.

p.s. cool handle……sherni.

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By: Zainab http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/03/03/sri_lankan_cric/comment-page-3/#comment-233366 Zainab Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:47:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5659#comment-233366 <h1>141 should read:</h1> <p>Kumar et al - Short of an imminent take over of Pakistan by the fundamentalist element, I don't foresee the west using their armies to remedy Pakistan. They just don't have the stomach for it. And the Mullahs, Army Generals, and the Politicians of Pakistan know it all too well. They also know that, it's only a matter of time before the coalition gets tired and cuts a deal with the Taliban: Osama is handed over to the Americans, who then announce "mission accomplished" and exit Afghanistan, leaving the wretched country for the Taliban. Of course, the talibs will be warned to keep their act local [Afghanistan, Pakistan and India only], otherwise uncle sam will be back to bomb you back into what ever preceeded the stone age. Everybody is happy with this outcomey, except the women, children and minorities of Afghanistan, NWFP and FATA. And as long as we don't see their plight on CNN, they don't exist.</p> <p>P.S. As cliched this may sound, Pakistan's and our only hope are the Pakistani people. Only they can fix the situation. Really.</p> 141 should read:

Kumar et al – Short of an imminent take over of Pakistan by the fundamentalist element, I don’t foresee the west using their armies to remedy Pakistan. They just don’t have the stomach for it. And the Mullahs, Army Generals, and the Politicians of Pakistan know it all too well. They also know that, it’s only a matter of time before the coalition gets tired and cuts a deal with the Taliban: Osama is handed over to the Americans, who then announce “mission accomplished” and exit Afghanistan, leaving the wretched country for the Taliban. Of course, the talibs will be warned to keep their act local [Afghanistan, Pakistan and India only], otherwise uncle sam will be back to bomb you back into what ever preceeded the stone age. Everybody is happy with this outcomey, except the women, children and minorities of Afghanistan, NWFP and FATA. And as long as we don’t see their plight on CNN, they don’t exist.

P.S. As cliched this may sound, Pakistan’s and our only hope are the Pakistani people. Only they can fix the situation. Really.

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