Comments on: Will Jindal’s strategy succeed or backfire? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: yabadaba http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-232106 yabadaba Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:16:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-232106 <p>Btw... the conservative radio trimurti (Limbaugh, Hannity and Levin) were out in full force defending the "substance" of Jindal's speech as opposed to the "style." These guys are like evil bollywood mother-in-laws...defending their failed sons at any cost.</p> Btw… the conservative radio trimurti (Limbaugh, Hannity and Levin) were out in full force defending the “substance” of Jindal’s speech as opposed to the “style.” These guys are like evil bollywood mother-in-laws…defending their failed sons at any cost.

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By: yabadaba http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-232102 yabadaba Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:08:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-232102 <p><i>13 · <b>Sertorius</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005647.html#comment232009">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>That's true. My statement was probably too broad of a generalization, and more true for non-white voters as a whole than for immigrants specifically. But immigrants and minorities have skewed heavily Democratic in the last two presidential elections, and all other things being equal, I don't see any reason why Jindal would have any particular appeal for them (besides Indians, and even there the appeal might be limited). </blockquote> <p>I thought the entire concept of Jindal was to show that the republican party welcomed diversity and to take away a percentage of the minority vote away from Obama. I dont just mean Indian Americans or even Asian Americans...I meant Hispanics...since Jindal (being Catholic and brown) can appeal to them.</p> 13 · Sertorius said

That’s true. My statement was probably too broad of a generalization, and more true for non-white voters as a whole than for immigrants specifically. But immigrants and minorities have skewed heavily Democratic in the last two presidential elections, and all other things being equal, I don’t see any reason why Jindal would have any particular appeal for them (besides Indians, and even there the appeal might be limited).

I thought the entire concept of Jindal was to show that the republican party welcomed diversity and to take away a percentage of the minority vote away from Obama. I dont just mean Indian Americans or even Asian Americans…I meant Hispanics…since Jindal (being Catholic and brown) can appeal to them.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-232094 Yoga Fire Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:35:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-232094 <p>lamy, you mean this birth certificate? http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg</p> <p>Snopes debunks the rest of your BS: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp</p> <p>But hey, don't let facts get in the way of good propaganda.</p> lamy, you mean this birth certificate? http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

Snopes debunks the rest of your BS: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of good propaganda.

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By: lamy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-232091 lamy Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:16:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-232091 <p>"Obama's Kenyan father making Obama ineligible in the hardcore GOP's eyes,"</p> <p>uff. That again? Hey, he's in. Still, may as well get the facts straight then. The issue(s) is(are) Obama's purported Kenyan birth, Indonesian passport, and lack of a birth certificate. People go to a lot of trouble to obey the born on American soil rule--ever heard of anchor babies. Other countries have rules about birth certificates--one poor kid in "Born in brothels" almost didn't get to visit America and display her photos, because her mom couldn't find her birth certificate. Muslim father/stepfather? Irrelevant. Constitutional recipe for America: take church and state, separate. On the up and up, this is an opportune time to introduce legislation waving the annoying requirements for authentic birth certficates for government jobs and passports. I do believe a trend has started and it's only democratic that we all benefit. Getting a secret clearance, much less a top secret clearance, would be way less of a bitch.</p> “Obama’s Kenyan father making Obama ineligible in the hardcore GOP’s eyes,”

uff. That again? Hey, he’s in. Still, may as well get the facts straight then. The issue(s) is(are) Obama’s purported Kenyan birth, Indonesian passport, and lack of a birth certificate. People go to a lot of trouble to obey the born on American soil rule–ever heard of anchor babies. Other countries have rules about birth certificates–one poor kid in “Born in brothels” almost didn’t get to visit America and display her photos, because her mom couldn’t find her birth certificate. Muslim father/stepfather? Irrelevant. Constitutional recipe for America: take church and state, separate. On the up and up, this is an opportune time to introduce legislation waving the annoying requirements for authentic birth certficates for government jobs and passports. I do believe a trend has started and it’s only democratic that we all benefit. Getting a secret clearance, much less a top secret clearance, would be way less of a bitch.

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By: Sertorius http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-232009 Sertorius Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:59:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-232009 <p>That's true. My statement was probably too broad of a generalization, and more true for non-white voters as a whole than for immigrants specifically. But immigrants and minorities have skewed heavily Democratic in the last two presidential elections, and all other things being equal, I don't see any reason why Jindal would have any particular appeal for them (besides Indians, and even there the appeal might be limited).</p> That’s true. My statement was probably too broad of a generalization, and more true for non-white voters as a whole than for immigrants specifically. But immigrants and minorities have skewed heavily Democratic in the last two presidential elections, and all other things being equal, I don’t see any reason why Jindal would have any particular appeal for them (besides Indians, and even there the appeal might be limited).

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By: khoofia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-231994 khoofia Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:36:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-231994 <blockquote>Immigrants/minorities are unlikely to vote GOP anyway, even for Jindal.</blockquote> <p>i hope you are not right. there are certain elements of the GOP platform that are very appealing to the non-refugee type immigrant/minority community regardless of the social stratum they occupy.</p> Immigrants/minorities are unlikely to vote GOP anyway, even for Jindal.

i hope you are not right. there are certain elements of the GOP platform that are very appealing to the non-refugee type immigrant/minority community regardless of the social stratum they occupy.

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By: Sertorius http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-231980 Sertorius Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:59:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-231980 <p>As far as Abhi's main point - "come out of stealth mode too early"? Any press is good press at this point. If he kicks up a fuss and ends up taking the stimulus package anyway, people won't remember his opposition to the stimulus (voters have short memories), but it will certainly score him points with GOP primary types.</p> <blockquote> If he is an anti, then he alienates pretty much any immigrant minority group. </blockquote> <p>Immigrants/minorities are unlikely to vote GOP anyway, even for Jindal.</p> As far as Abhi’s main point – “come out of stealth mode too early”? Any press is good press at this point. If he kicks up a fuss and ends up taking the stimulus package anyway, people won’t remember his opposition to the stimulus (voters have short memories), but it will certainly score him points with GOP primary types.

If he is an anti, then he alienates pretty much any immigrant minority group.

Immigrants/minorities are unlikely to vote GOP anyway, even for Jindal.

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By: khoofi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-231964 khoofi Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:11:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-231964 <blockquote>khoofia: econ research has long focused on the moral hazard of unemployment benefits. and it seems that it is quite possible to design unemployment benefits with the right kind of features: temporary insulation for the really needy and manageable moral hazard. for instance, one could have a really generous one-time severance package, but not monthly benefits except for a period of health insurance (IMO, health insurance should be single-payer like across the border but that is a story for another time). such a package would not incentivize delay in finding a new job, but at least allow a cushion for the time it takes to transition. </blockquote> <p>i will give you a personal example. a month ago i offered a guy a part time position. he wanted me to put his homemaker wife on the payroll because he didnt want to lose out on the unemployment benefit which he would lose if he went above a certain $ per month. the guy is smart. i could see a future for him with us but once someone's lips are champed around the government's teats it's hard to let go. it just rubbed me raw and i passed on him. this is a person's example - but it works at every level of an organization. so i agree with you in principle. jindal's justification is also something i agree with. there is no such thing as free money. the bailout will have to be paid back - so it makes sense. admittedly i first started listening to him because he is indian - but i am still listening because he talks well and he makes good sense. <br> to head back to abhi's question - i dont think this is as much strategy as it is a principled stand. it's his job to govern and he seems to be making good decisions. one can even call it a gamble, because he's going against the tide. additionally, as the jokesters put it, it doesnt keep him from accepting the money ... if it can be used elsewhere in infrastructure etc.</p> <blockquote>concentrating on capital gains policy is good IMO; but those kind of policy instruments (likely) do little for recently unemployed salaried blue-collar workers. intuitively, such people probably do not have opportunities for making huge capital gains in the first place, right?</blockquote> <p>from my personal experience allowing busineses to keep more money incentivizes them to hire more to create more wealth. offering salaried blue-collar workers money is good if it keeps the wolf from the door, but it doesnt create new jobs.</p> <p>I agree with the idea of a one-time cushion as opposed to a monthly take home. good link on chetty.</p> khoofia: econ research has long focused on the moral hazard of unemployment benefits. and it seems that it is quite possible to design unemployment benefits with the right kind of features: temporary insulation for the really needy and manageable moral hazard. for instance, one could have a really generous one-time severance package, but not monthly benefits except for a period of health insurance (IMO, health insurance should be single-payer like across the border but that is a story for another time). such a package would not incentivize delay in finding a new job, but at least allow a cushion for the time it takes to transition.

i will give you a personal example. a month ago i offered a guy a part time position. he wanted me to put his homemaker wife on the payroll because he didnt want to lose out on the unemployment benefit which he would lose if he went above a certain $ per month. the guy is smart. i could see a future for him with us but once someone’s lips are champed around the government’s teats it’s hard to let go. it just rubbed me raw and i passed on him. this is a person’s example – but it works at every level of an organization. so i agree with you in principle. jindal’s justification is also something i agree with. there is no such thing as free money. the bailout will have to be paid back – so it makes sense. admittedly i first started listening to him because he is indian – but i am still listening because he talks well and he makes good sense.
to head back to abhi’s question – i dont think this is as much strategy as it is a principled stand. it’s his job to govern and he seems to be making good decisions. one can even call it a gamble, because he’s going against the tide. additionally, as the jokesters put it, it doesnt keep him from accepting the money … if it can be used elsewhere in infrastructure etc.

concentrating on capital gains policy is good IMO; but those kind of policy instruments (likely) do little for recently unemployed salaried blue-collar workers. intuitively, such people probably do not have opportunities for making huge capital gains in the first place, right?

from my personal experience allowing busineses to keep more money incentivizes them to hire more to create more wealth. offering salaried blue-collar workers money is good if it keeps the wolf from the door, but it doesnt create new jobs.

I agree with the idea of a one-time cushion as opposed to a monthly take home. good link on chetty.

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-231948 portmanteau Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:21:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-231948 <p>khoofia: econ research has long focused on the moral hazard of unemployment benefits. and it seems that it is quite possible to design unemployment benefits with the right kind of features: temporary insulation for the really needy and manageable moral hazard. for instance, one could have a really generous one-time severance package, but not monthly benefits except for a period of health insurance (IMO, health insurance should be single-payer like across the border but that is a story for another time). such a package would not incentivize delay in finding a new job, but at least allow a cushion for the time it takes to transition.</p> <p>also relevant here are raj chetty's interesting <a href="http://timharford.com/2008/12/is-unemployment-benefit-a-good-thing-after-all/">findings</a> on unemployment benefits:</p> <blockquote>One suggestive finding is that when unemployment insurance becomes more generous, not everybody lingers on benefits. <b>The median job-loser in the US has $200 when he loses his job</b> and is unlikely to be able to borrow much, but some people have plenty of money in the bank when they find themselves unemployed. Chetty found that those with savings do not take any longer to find a job when paid more generous benefits, while those with little in the kitty when they lose their jobs do. This suggests that those without their own cash reserves are using unemployment benefits to buy themselves time to find the right job</blockquote> <p>.</p> <p>concentrating on capital gains policy is good IMO; but those kind of policy instruments (likely) do little for recently unemployed salaried blue-collar workers. intuitively, such people probably do not have opportunities for making huge capital gains in the first place, right? a case could be made for trickle-down gains or some kind of big multiplier effect on the economy from modifying capital gains policy, but only if you show me the money first :)</p> khoofia: econ research has long focused on the moral hazard of unemployment benefits. and it seems that it is quite possible to design unemployment benefits with the right kind of features: temporary insulation for the really needy and manageable moral hazard. for instance, one could have a really generous one-time severance package, but not monthly benefits except for a period of health insurance (IMO, health insurance should be single-payer like across the border but that is a story for another time). such a package would not incentivize delay in finding a new job, but at least allow a cushion for the time it takes to transition.

also relevant here are raj chetty’s interesting findings on unemployment benefits:

One suggestive finding is that when unemployment insurance becomes more generous, not everybody lingers on benefits. The median job-loser in the US has $200 when he loses his job and is unlikely to be able to borrow much, but some people have plenty of money in the bank when they find themselves unemployed. Chetty found that those with savings do not take any longer to find a job when paid more generous benefits, while those with little in the kitty when they lose their jobs do. This suggests that those without their own cash reserves are using unemployment benefits to buy themselves time to find the right job

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concentrating on capital gains policy is good IMO; but those kind of policy instruments (likely) do little for recently unemployed salaried blue-collar workers. intuitively, such people probably do not have opportunities for making huge capital gains in the first place, right? a case could be made for trickle-down gains or some kind of big multiplier effect on the economy from modifying capital gains policy, but only if you show me the money first :)

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/24/will_jindals_sr/comment-page-1/#comment-231906 Abhi Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:54:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5647#comment-231906 <blockquote>Hey there is a typo in the post Heading. "srategy" is missing a T.</blockquote> <p>Thanks. Fixed.</p> Hey there is a typo in the post Heading. “srategy” is missing a T.

Thanks. Fixed.

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