Comments on: All of this has happened before … http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Dr Amonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231382 Dr Amonymous Sun, 22 Feb 2009 04:10:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231382 <p>great post :)</p> great post :)

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By: amreekandesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231261 amreekandesi Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:11:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231261 <p>Very likely most of the people using this opportunity will be Indians. Hard to believe that Americans would be willing to relocate to India, more so when they can just get unemployment benefits here instead.</p> <p>Maybe in another 10 years, India will be that lucrative a destination! Not yet.</p> Very likely most of the people using this opportunity will be Indians. Hard to believe that Americans would be willing to relocate to India, more so when they can just get unemployment benefits here instead.

Maybe in another 10 years, India will be that lucrative a destination! Not yet.

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By: jackal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231244 jackal Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:55:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231244 <p>May the lords of Cobol, err Kobol, protect us!</p> May the lords of Cobol, err Kobol, protect us!

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By: ShallowThinker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231222 ShallowThinker Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:05:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231222 <p>What a slap in the nuts that offer would be. It is insulting things like this that speaks great volumes about how disconnected CEO's are from normal people.</p> <p>Why do we let kids go off to college, just so they can become redundant employees? Just let kids go straight from high school and into a program that teaches them one program and BAM! Your on the same level as some guy who spent years in college working on a CS degree.</p> What a slap in the nuts that offer would be. It is insulting things like this that speaks great volumes about how disconnected CEO’s are from normal people.

Why do we let kids go off to college, just so they can become redundant employees? Just let kids go straight from high school and into a program that teaches them one program and BAM! Your on the same level as some guy who spent years in college working on a CS degree.

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By: Priya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231211 Priya Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:00:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231211 <blockquote> <p>America’s best and brightest leave their homes and everything familiar to them to move overseas and start a new >life,</p> </blockquote> <p>Like <a href="http://anand-g.blogspot.com/2008/12/discussing-second-generation-indian.html">Anand Giridhardas</a> ? Unlike Jhumpa Lahiri kinds of yesteryears, I doubt whether the global generation is fraught with such angst.</p>

America’s best and brightest leave their homes and everything familiar to them to move overseas and start a new >life,

Like Anand Giridhardas ? Unlike Jhumpa Lahiri kinds of yesteryears, I doubt whether the global generation is fraught with such angst.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231208 jyotsana Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:13:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231208 <p>And 15 years later despite all the hardwork his children put in they fail to clear to gain admission to the prestigious Khandelwal Institute of Technology, Bundelkhand, and instead have to settle for the lowly IITs and even worse go abroad to study at some "Junior University". Oh what have times come to!!</p> <blockquote>when IBM was 'kicked out' of India in 1977 by the Janata Party government, many Indian employees of IBM had an option to move to the US, for jobs similar to the ones they might have been doing in India, but at US wages.</blockquote> <p>Not really. They were offered 1-year to 1.5 year conditional appointments at the end of which they had to re-apply. But then you see those days, a green card was a lot easier if one came to the US with a job. Even then not many accepted the offer. My uncle decided to shop around the various IBMs the worked over, and finally chose IBM-Germany and thereon to IBM-Australia. Gulf Oil offered far better terms when they moved out of India in 1963. All Indian employees (my late dad included) were offered a posting in Canada or the Southern USA. My mom being the living expert (since her dad still worked in the UN those days) advised my father against it!</p> And 15 years later despite all the hardwork his children put in they fail to clear to gain admission to the prestigious Khandelwal Institute of Technology, Bundelkhand, and instead have to settle for the lowly IITs and even worse go abroad to study at some “Junior University”. Oh what have times come to!!

when IBM was ‘kicked out’ of India in 1977 by the Janata Party government, many Indian employees of IBM had an option to move to the US, for jobs similar to the ones they might have been doing in India, but at US wages.

Not really. They were offered 1-year to 1.5 year conditional appointments at the end of which they had to re-apply. But then you see those days, a green card was a lot easier if one came to the US with a job. Even then not many accepted the offer. My uncle decided to shop around the various IBMs the worked over, and finally chose IBM-Germany and thereon to IBM-Australia. Gulf Oil offered far better terms when they moved out of India in 1963. All Indian employees (my late dad included) were offered a posting in Canada or the Southern USA. My mom being the living expert (since her dad still worked in the UN those days) advised my father against it!

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By: melbourne desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231204 melbourne desi Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:44:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231204 <blockquote>when IBM was 'kicked out' of India in 1977 by the Janata Party government, many Indian employees of IBM had an option to move to the US, for jobs similar to the ones they might have been doing in India, but at US wages. </blockquote> <p>wow. never knew that. do you know if many took up the option.</p> when IBM was ‘kicked out’ of India in 1977 by the Janata Party government, many Indian employees of IBM had an option to move to the US, for jobs similar to the ones they might have been doing in India, but at US wages.

wow. never knew that. do you know if many took up the option.

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By: Suraj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231202 Suraj Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:02:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231202 <p>Correction to my comment(4).</p> <p>Not much left to outsource from <b>IBM</b> US to <b>IBM</b> India.</p> Correction to my comment(4).

Not much left to outsource from IBM US to IBM India.

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By: Suraj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231201 Suraj Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:00:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231201 <blockquote>help laid off workers move overseas with their <b>outsourced jobs</b></blockquote> <p>Not all lay offs are due to "Outsourcing", especially in IBM in this case - quite a few are due to the current situation of stagnant US market and in many cases,its 'cuz of the market is contracting.</p> <p>A good number of jobs (resource action) were from Sales & Distribution. And you can understand, how these affected employees from S&D, can truely go & make impact in the growing regions - if they take up the Project Match option seriously - that is.</p> <p>BTW - IBM India has approx 75K employees - next only to US in terms of employee count and by some estimation, there's not much left to outsource from US to India.</p> help laid off workers move overseas with their outsourced jobs

Not all lay offs are due to “Outsourcing”, especially in IBM in this case – quite a few are due to the current situation of stagnant US market and in many cases,its ‘cuz of the market is contracting.

A good number of jobs (resource action) were from Sales & Distribution. And you can understand, how these affected employees from S&D, can truely go & make impact in the growing regions – if they take up the Project Match option seriously – that is.

BTW – IBM India has approx 75K employees – next only to US in terms of employee count and by some estimation, there’s not much left to outsource from US to India.

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By: oldtime-SMer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/18/all_of_this_has/comment-page-1/#comment-231200 oldtime-SMer Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:59:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5637#comment-231200 <blockquote>All of this has happened before ...</blockquote> <p>Just to add some more context to this - when IBM was 'kicked out' of India in 1977 by the Janata Party government, many Indian employees of IBM had an option to move to the US, for jobs similar to the ones they might have been doing in India, <i>but at US wages</i>. It only took 30 years, but IBM is now more an Indian company than it is an American one (if judged by number of employees): so the logic is the same, but the countries have switched roles. Workforce globalization? What workforce globalization? Wage convergence, what wage convergence?</p> All of this has happened before …

Just to add some more context to this – when IBM was ‘kicked out’ of India in 1977 by the Janata Party government, many Indian employees of IBM had an option to move to the US, for jobs similar to the ones they might have been doing in India, but at US wages. It only took 30 years, but IBM is now more an Indian company than it is an American one (if judged by number of employees): so the logic is the same, but the countries have switched roles. Workforce globalization? What workforce globalization? Wage convergence, what wage convergence?

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