Comments on: Before Cartoons were PC… http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Steve-O http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-2/#comment-230394 Steve-O Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:43:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230394 <p>Jambi!</p> <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-LLCpM27WE</p> <p>He was gay, right?</p> Jambi!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-LLCpM27WE

He was gay, right?

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By: nidhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-2/#comment-230150 nidhi Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:32:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230150 <p>i remember being very confused when kids asked me if i was the kind of Indian that said "how" or the kind of Indian who had a dot on their head... I never knew the difference and so I said neither. Plus, my mom's bindis were always more than a dot so I didn't completely understand the dot head thing. Ha! Even now people will talk about native Americans and say "Indian", look at me and correct themselves...</p> i remember being very confused when kids asked me if i was the kind of Indian that said “how” or the kind of Indian who had a dot on their head… I never knew the difference and so I said neither. Plus, my mom’s bindis were always more than a dot so I didn’t completely understand the dot head thing. Ha! Even now people will talk about native Americans and say “Indian”, look at me and correct themselves…

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By: Tipu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-2/#comment-230131 Tipu Sat, 07 Feb 2009 08:09:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230131 <p><i>52 · <b>PS</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005619.html#comment230107">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><i> There is also a famous movie star of the 30s and 40s that also was desi - or half desi and I believe she tried to hide it - I'd be curious to read a bio about her -- <a href="http://www.fanpix.net/gallery/merle-oberon-pictures.htm">Merl Oberon</a> Ms. Cathy from Wuthering Heights. </i></blockquote> <p>In fact Merle was discovered by, & later married to, Alexander Korda. Her <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0643353/bio">imdb page</a> has some reference to her biographies.</p> 52 · PS said

There is also a famous movie star of the 30s and 40s that also was desi – or half desi and I believe she tried to hide it – I’d be curious to read a bio about her — Merl Oberon Ms. Cathy from Wuthering Heights.

In fact Merle was discovered by, & later married to, Alexander Korda. Her imdb page has some reference to her biographies.

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By: Pravin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-2/#comment-230125 Pravin Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:57:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230125 <p>I personally thought Amrish Puri's character was great in indiana jones. I dont know why some of us get so touchy. However, Gunga Din pissed me off because it went beyond comedic exagerration common to many movies that involve a foreign culture. To see that freaking monkey in Gunga Din salute the british troops at the end and be their Uncle Tom was offensive to me. I was glad that freaking character died. Actually, come to think of it, I wasn't too pleased with British troops saving the day at the end of Indiana Jones.</p> I personally thought Amrish Puri’s character was great in indiana jones. I dont know why some of us get so touchy. However, Gunga Din pissed me off because it went beyond comedic exagerration common to many movies that involve a foreign culture. To see that freaking monkey in Gunga Din salute the british troops at the end and be their Uncle Tom was offensive to me. I was glad that freaking character died. Actually, come to think of it, I wasn’t too pleased with British troops saving the day at the end of Indiana Jones.

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By: Priya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-2/#comment-230120 Priya Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:24:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230120 <p>This is a great post Vinod and all the comments too.</p> <p>Tintin was one of my favorites comics but looking back from the eyes of an adult mind it appears that maybe many depictions were not PC - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintin_in_America">Tintin in America</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.tehelka.com/story_main41.asp?filename=hub240109tintin_in.asp">Tintin and India</a> -</p> <blockquote>But Tintin first brush with India inhabited by the ubiquitous snake charmers, saints and sacred cows — was in Cigars of The Pharaoh, where an argument with a cow nearly ends Snowy's career until he is saved by the bumbling detectives, Thomson and Thompson. Tintin ends the adventure dressed in a turban and shervani, in a victory procession with the Maharaja of Gaipajama (cow's pyjamas).</blockquote> <p>Inspite of "desi" cliches there are many <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2094744.cms">admirers amongst artists and writers</a> for his attention to detail.</p> This is a great post Vinod and all the comments too.

Tintin was one of my favorites comics but looking back from the eyes of an adult mind it appears that maybe many depictions were not PC – Tintin in America

Tintin and India -

But Tintin first brush with India inhabited by the ubiquitous snake charmers, saints and sacred cows — was in Cigars of The Pharaoh, where an argument with a cow nearly ends Snowy’s career until he is saved by the bumbling detectives, Thomson and Thompson. Tintin ends the adventure dressed in a turban and shervani, in a victory procession with the Maharaja of Gaipajama (cow’s pyjamas).

Inspite of “desi” cliches there are many admirers amongst artists and writers for his attention to detail.

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By: NV http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-2/#comment-230109 NV Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:25:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230109 <blockquote>And this is OT - but the new Ms. America is also half-Indian, one of her parents is white and the other is Indian.</blockquote> <p>You sure that wasn't "Indianan?" I checked Wiki to confirm and while it says nothing about her race, blue eyes, brown hair, and being a member of 4H who raises dairy cattle all hint that she's not desi.</p> <p>And on topic: I actually find Apu more offensive than the Popeye thing. The Popeye thing was a one-shot joke that just comes across as "not funny." Apu, on the other hand, is just annoying.</p> And this is OT – but the new Ms. America is also half-Indian, one of her parents is white and the other is Indian.

You sure that wasn’t “Indianan?” I checked Wiki to confirm and while it says nothing about her race, blue eyes, brown hair, and being a member of 4H who raises dairy cattle all hint that she’s not desi.

And on topic: I actually find Apu more offensive than the Popeye thing. The Popeye thing was a one-shot joke that just comes across as “not funny.” Apu, on the other hand, is just annoying.

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By: PS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-2/#comment-230107 PS Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:46:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230107 <p><i>Wow...I just finished watching the clip. They insulted not one, but both groups at the same time...Indians (South Asians) and the so-called "American Indians" (Native Americans). Popeye punches the Indian chief so hard, that he flies out of his clothes and turns in to Gandhi...</i></p> <p>wow indeed - I don't ever remember seeing this and it's so strange and insulting. Somehow I don't think Popeye was written with the same sense of social irony as say the Simpsons (in which I'm not offended by the Apu character).</p> <p>Tipu - that was so interesting about Sabu. There is also a famous movie star of the 30s and 40s that also was desi - or half desi and I believe she tried to hide it - I'd be curious to read a bio about her -- <a href="http://www.fanpix.net/gallery/merle-oberon-pictures.htm">Merl Oberon</a> Ms. Cathy from Wuthering Heights.</p> <p>And this is OT - but the new Ms. America is also half-Indian, one of her parents is white and the other is Indian.</p> Wow…I just finished watching the clip. They insulted not one, but both groups at the same time…Indians (South Asians) and the so-called “American Indians” (Native Americans). Popeye punches the Indian chief so hard, that he flies out of his clothes and turns in to Gandhi…

wow indeed – I don’t ever remember seeing this and it’s so strange and insulting. Somehow I don’t think Popeye was written with the same sense of social irony as say the Simpsons (in which I’m not offended by the Apu character).

Tipu – that was so interesting about Sabu. There is also a famous movie star of the 30s and 40s that also was desi – or half desi and I believe she tried to hide it – I’d be curious to read a bio about her — Merl Oberon Ms. Cathy from Wuthering Heights.

And this is OT – but the new Ms. America is also half-Indian, one of her parents is white and the other is Indian.

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By: Tipu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-230102 Tipu Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:10:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230102 <p>Here's a <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/feb/06/race-thatcher-golliwog">history</a> of Golliwogs, & BengalTigrr (#11), here is a <a href="http://www.pondichery.com/french/vaches_sacrees/tintin_vaches_sacrees.jpg">scan</a> of Tintin in Tibet when Tintin & the Captain travel through Delhi leaving a lot of mayhem in their wake. Gunga Din is way better than IJ&ToD. It was the Stateside answer to Alexander Korda's rousing tales of the empire, like Four Feathers, The Drum, Elephant Boy, Sanders Of The River etc., & to its credit it was a huge hit in 1939 (not 41). Korda Also gets the credit for the creating the first desi movie star in the West - <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0754942/">Sabu</a>.</p> Here’s a history of Golliwogs, & BengalTigrr (#11), here is a scan of Tintin in Tibet when Tintin & the Captain travel through Delhi leaving a lot of mayhem in their wake. Gunga Din is way better than IJ&ToD. It was the Stateside answer to Alexander Korda’s rousing tales of the empire, like Four Feathers, The Drum, Elephant Boy, Sanders Of The River etc., & to its credit it was a huge hit in 1939 (not 41). Korda Also gets the credit for the creating the first desi movie star in the West – Sabu.

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By: saa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-230073 saa Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:52:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230073 <p><i>20 · <b><a href="mailto:decruzp@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">daycruz</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005619.html#comment229988">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Just a reference to the Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom movie, go to your local library and find Gunga Din done by RKO pictures in 1941. Speilburg was heavily influenced by this movie. The whole cult of Kali thing and the villainous leader were all picked up from this movie. It is incredibly offensive. I wrote a whole paper about it. </blockquote> <p>I very recently saw that movie, and i didn't find it that offensive as Temple of doom. Especially when it was made in 1939 and had more class to it than temple of doom. Sure there were some condescending scenes and brown faces, but at least it wasn't completely out there with monkey brains. At least Gunga din was shown as the village idiot who saves the British army.</p> 20 · daycruz said

Just a reference to the Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom movie, go to your local library and find Gunga Din done by RKO pictures in 1941. Speilburg was heavily influenced by this movie. The whole cult of Kali thing and the villainous leader were all picked up from this movie. It is incredibly offensive. I wrote a whole paper about it.

I very recently saw that movie, and i didn’t find it that offensive as Temple of doom. Especially when it was made in 1939 and had more class to it than temple of doom. Sure there were some condescending scenes and brown faces, but at least it wasn’t completely out there with monkey brains. At least Gunga din was shown as the village idiot who saves the British army.

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By: Huey http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/02/03/before_cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-230069 Huey Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:26:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5619#comment-230069 <p><i>40 · <b>Dasichist</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005619.html#comment230031">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I found the episode of Popeye <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WhcIAtOyIQ">here</a> it happens at about 5:40 </blockquote> <p>Wow...I just finished watching the clip. They insulted not one, but both groups at the same time...Indians (South Asians) and the so-called "American Indians" (Native Americans). Popeye punches the Indian chief so hard, that he flies out of his clothes and turns in to Gandhi...that makes you wanna dig up Christopher Columbus, bring him back to life, kick his ass and kill him again.</p> 40 · Dasichist said

I found the episode of Popeye here it happens at about 5:40

Wow…I just finished watching the clip. They insulted not one, but both groups at the same time…Indians (South Asians) and the so-called “American Indians” (Native Americans). Popeye punches the Indian chief so hard, that he flies out of his clothes and turns in to Gandhi…that makes you wanna dig up Christopher Columbus, bring him back to life, kick his ass and kill him again.

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