Comments on: “…Stick around.” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-2/#comment-229519 Rajesh Harricharan Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:42:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-229519 <p>The most influentential people in my life have life have been Irish Catholic Jessuit Priests. The heleped me re-discover my Hindu culture. I came from a very narow minded Presbyterian backgroud.</p> The most influentential people in my life have life have been Irish Catholic Jessuit Priests. The heleped me re-discover my Hindu culture. I came from a very narow minded Presbyterian backgroud.

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By: allbent http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-2/#comment-229269 allbent Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:00:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-229269 <p>If its yellow let it mellow and let brown stick around... was he talking plumbing? Nice going Obamsa! Let black not give back? Did he say some Americans should be held accountable differently? Nice going Obamsa.</p> <p>Obamsa true colors....hey he signed Freedom for Abortion Act. What better way to kill the infidels then to have their own mothers do it</p> If its yellow let it mellow and let brown stick around… was he talking plumbing? Nice going Obamsa! Let black not give back? Did he say some Americans should be held accountable differently? Nice going Obamsa.

Obamsa true colors….hey he signed Freedom for Abortion Act. What better way to kill the infidels then to have their own mothers do it

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By: the truthseeker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-2/#comment-229130 the truthseeker Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:56:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-229130 <p>(While I have many strengths even with Mastery of English as an US American as a rarity :p...my spelling stinks. Please forgive that.)</p> <p>Absolutely borderdancer and all here or in spirit...or proxy if debating if that "spirit" exists.</p> <p>Some of us saw what the offshoot of the Civil Rights did not just for Negro....then changed to Black....then changed to African American....but to ALL people of background. Alas the White...now Caucasian did get the backlash of the "double standard" for a while...and minorities were given equality as lip service when you see the economic development of the neighborhoods...or should I say the NON development (see liquor stores, check cashing places, no major brand of supermarket, etc.) And I am completely ashamed at the Liberal "Political Correctness" as the new censorship that grew. You can't force thought even under the banner of "tolerance." Read <u>Fahrenheit 451</u> by Bradbury. I'll skip the "mistakes" of whether they are known as "Conservatives" or "Radicals" as now when the Conservatives denounced the last administration, and those who hid under "terorism" or "Freedom fighting" violence for "a freedom of one denying many" like Animals or the Enviroment...because now I'm confused who's left right or center/centrist anyway. And looking at even right now, the "majority" of Mexican/Hispanic/Latino and other titles given are the MAJORITY of the US population, yet the MINORITY of economic support (for the sake of argument, noting the documented since the underclass support of the undocumented on the economy would take pages to define here....and such have as much right to NON HOSTILITY from others as any other "documented" group) goes to such a group.</p> <p>But in the last few years....after the racial hatred setbacks of 9-11...there HAS been a unity beginning to form in parts of the US and the world. Gates and Bono offering billions to microteansactions. The call of personal responsibilty as of late. Calling Torture...Torture even if it "legally" is "allowed. (and THANK you Amnesty International!) The self-awareness of taking a "non bending stance" can be as bad as some of those bigoted (sorry dubba.)</p> <p>If it weren't for the "backlash" of the "anti-marriage" bills passed, I would have said we are on the rise still.</p> <p>But we have a long road to go to treating others with the respect we wish to ourselves...also known as "The Golden Rule."</p> <p>With respect, I am a mutt of European, mid-eastern and a third generation US born citizen with 3 of 4 of my parents and grandparents born not only in the US, but in New York city as well (the other grandparent was from Russia, which is fine too.)</p> <p>This in a future immigrating time when not just Austria/Hungry/Prussia/Germany, but Russia, Poland and other "border nations in conflict with each others' border lines" would look to blame the minority (Jew, Romini sorry if misspelled, African, crippled/handicapped, gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered, poliically differing of the power dictatorship of fascism/communisim/"free nations," etc.) for any downturn and...now the term is ethnic clensing....instead or murder or genocide of Hitler's later action in the latter war after the former wars. (And notice all groups listed as example DIED in the Camps...not just "The Jews.")</p> <p>All this shaped what I became as of now and can be...as well as what presently happens as I look with a mind personally thinking, "the only constant is change itself."</p> <p>Not only do I follow a way of philosophy and the moral path of "be a good soul and do the right thing" as a personal truth, but I follow the religions of reformed Judism and non-denominational Christianity, but walk the path of Buddhism as well when it comes to foundations of my philosophy. Even so I respect and even follow other World beliefs and religions (well Sikhism and Hinduism as additonal for examples maybe but I doubt I'd qualify as a Zorostrian or Athiest, but I <em>DO</em> qualify as a FORMER Angnostic :p)</p> <p>All this has shown (at least to my eyes) we have so many similarities, when told to foucs on the details of the few differences, we forget the message of FORGIVING those who transgress and LOVE of those who are our neighbor no matter what kind of neighbor And in the "Judeo-Christian" US especially, forgetting that we must turn the other cheek as Jesus reminds us to hate the SIN but FORGIVE the sinner. Only God determines our judgement, not us on this earth. Many agnostics and atheists can also remind us that we need to take responsibility for our OWN actions FIRST before comdemning OTHERS. Not all are suing American government because they are "offended" at the mention of faith.</p> <p>Yet, we also must respect the US's foundation of SEPARATION of "Church and State." Nothing is wrong with Religion or with Civics...but neither one should run the other. We shoudl ALL have the right to our beliefs...but not publicly shout them in "optional prayer" or "adding god to a pledge" which was to fight the "Athiest communist people," or sue the Boy Scouts...and so forth.</p> <p>For our biggest enemy is not the Jew or Muslim or Christian Israel or Palistine, the Devil US or Socialist Argentina......</p> <p>it is ignorance and those who speak with it more than knowledsge; those who have learned "enough;" those who speak on "fundamentals" yet ignore anything that does not meet their definition of such.</p> <p>And the hiding of murder in all of the above and more in its name.</p> <p>So ask no more why "you" weren't included, and make yourself heard, but do not drown out the voices of our chorus in this melding and melting pot US country we call simply "home."</p> <p>Oh, if I may add an addendum to our widening race/religion/color group:</p> <p>If you follow Buddha...more power to ya!</p> <p>I AM, --the truthseeker</p> (While I have many strengths even with Mastery of English as an US American as a rarity :p…my spelling stinks. Please forgive that.)

Absolutely borderdancer and all here or in spirit…or proxy if debating if that “spirit” exists.

Some of us saw what the offshoot of the Civil Rights did not just for Negro….then changed to Black….then changed to African American….but to ALL people of background. Alas the White…now Caucasian did get the backlash of the “double standard” for a while…and minorities were given equality as lip service when you see the economic development of the neighborhoods…or should I say the NON development (see liquor stores, check cashing places, no major brand of supermarket, etc.) And I am completely ashamed at the Liberal “Political Correctness” as the new censorship that grew. You can’t force thought even under the banner of “tolerance.” Read Fahrenheit 451 by Bradbury. I’ll skip the “mistakes” of whether they are known as “Conservatives” or “Radicals” as now when the Conservatives denounced the last administration, and those who hid under “terorism” or “Freedom fighting” violence for “a freedom of one denying many” like Animals or the Enviroment…because now I’m confused who’s left right or center/centrist anyway. And looking at even right now, the “majority” of Mexican/Hispanic/Latino and other titles given are the MAJORITY of the US population, yet the MINORITY of economic support (for the sake of argument, noting the documented since the underclass support of the undocumented on the economy would take pages to define here….and such have as much right to NON HOSTILITY from others as any other “documented” group) goes to such a group.

But in the last few years….after the racial hatred setbacks of 9-11…there HAS been a unity beginning to form in parts of the US and the world. Gates and Bono offering billions to microteansactions. The call of personal responsibilty as of late. Calling Torture…Torture even if it “legally” is “allowed. (and THANK you Amnesty International!) The self-awareness of taking a “non bending stance” can be as bad as some of those bigoted (sorry dubba.)

If it weren’t for the “backlash” of the “anti-marriage” bills passed, I would have said we are on the rise still.

But we have a long road to go to treating others with the respect we wish to ourselves…also known as “The Golden Rule.”

With respect, I am a mutt of European, mid-eastern and a third generation US born citizen with 3 of 4 of my parents and grandparents born not only in the US, but in New York city as well (the other grandparent was from Russia, which is fine too.)

This in a future immigrating time when not just Austria/Hungry/Prussia/Germany, but Russia, Poland and other “border nations in conflict with each others’ border lines” would look to blame the minority (Jew, Romini sorry if misspelled, African, crippled/handicapped, gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered, poliically differing of the power dictatorship of fascism/communisim/”free nations,” etc.) for any downturn and…now the term is ethnic clensing….instead or murder or genocide of Hitler’s later action in the latter war after the former wars. (And notice all groups listed as example DIED in the Camps…not just “The Jews.”)

All this shaped what I became as of now and can be…as well as what presently happens as I look with a mind personally thinking, “the only constant is change itself.”

Not only do I follow a way of philosophy and the moral path of “be a good soul and do the right thing” as a personal truth, but I follow the religions of reformed Judism and non-denominational Christianity, but walk the path of Buddhism as well when it comes to foundations of my philosophy. Even so I respect and even follow other World beliefs and religions (well Sikhism and Hinduism as additonal for examples maybe but I doubt I’d qualify as a Zorostrian or Athiest, but I DO qualify as a FORMER Angnostic :p)

All this has shown (at least to my eyes) we have so many similarities, when told to foucs on the details of the few differences, we forget the message of FORGIVING those who transgress and LOVE of those who are our neighbor no matter what kind of neighbor And in the “Judeo-Christian” US especially, forgetting that we must turn the other cheek as Jesus reminds us to hate the SIN but FORGIVE the sinner. Only God determines our judgement, not us on this earth. Many agnostics and atheists can also remind us that we need to take responsibility for our OWN actions FIRST before comdemning OTHERS. Not all are suing American government because they are “offended” at the mention of faith.

Yet, we also must respect the US’s foundation of SEPARATION of “Church and State.” Nothing is wrong with Religion or with Civics…but neither one should run the other. We shoudl ALL have the right to our beliefs…but not publicly shout them in “optional prayer” or “adding god to a pledge” which was to fight the “Athiest communist people,” or sue the Boy Scouts…and so forth.

For our biggest enemy is not the Jew or Muslim or Christian Israel or Palistine, the Devil US or Socialist Argentina……

it is ignorance and those who speak with it more than knowledsge; those who have learned “enough;” those who speak on “fundamentals” yet ignore anything that does not meet their definition of such.

And the hiding of murder in all of the above and more in its name.

So ask no more why “you” weren’t included, and make yourself heard, but do not drown out the voices of our chorus in this melding and melting pot US country we call simply “home.”

Oh, if I may add an addendum to our widening race/religion/color group:

If you follow Buddha…more power to ya!

I AM, –the truthseeker

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By: borderdancer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-2/#comment-228952 borderdancer Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:58:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-228952 <p>THANKS Yorubella and Melanie for making sure these guys knew the history of that phrase. I was wondering when these folks would figure it out.</p> <p>As a South Asian American who cut her teeth in Asian American and people of color coalition work, its embarassing to me that until your comment, no one seemed to have a clue about this very very common refrain! Are most of you just really young, or do you have no experience in people of color unity work??</p> <p>The common African American refrain does by itself refer to colorism within the African American community. But... I would say, by the late 80s/early 90s, the refrain had come to be widely known amongst Native American, Latino, and Asian American activists, students, and thinkers, as a way of referring to racial hierarchy itself: the way different people of color groups were perceived in wider society, in comparison to African Americans.</p> <p>Of course, Latinos, Asian Americans, and of course Native Americans had been in the US for decades before this. But by this time, the "model minority myth" about Asian Americans in general was widely beleived; and urban Latino social and political clout were coming of age in major cities. At the same time, many African Americans felt that the same skin priveleges that had historically affected African Americans were now bestowed upon these other groups. Latinos and Asian Americans also saw this "skin privelege" affecting many of them --especially the lighter-skinned ones. So the refrain had now become a tool to describe racial hierarchy in a more multiethnic U.S.</p> <p>To my knowledge, neither versions of the refrain include a reference to "if you're red" -- so yes, Rev Lowery, in retelling this refrain, must have added it in to paint a more complete picture of racial unity.</p> <p>Those of you who have a history of racial coalition work will, like me, appreciate the significance of what he said.</p> THANKS Yorubella and Melanie for making sure these guys knew the history of that phrase. I was wondering when these folks would figure it out.

As a South Asian American who cut her teeth in Asian American and people of color coalition work, its embarassing to me that until your comment, no one seemed to have a clue about this very very common refrain! Are most of you just really young, or do you have no experience in people of color unity work??

The common African American refrain does by itself refer to colorism within the African American community. But… I would say, by the late 80s/early 90s, the refrain had come to be widely known amongst Native American, Latino, and Asian American activists, students, and thinkers, as a way of referring to racial hierarchy itself: the way different people of color groups were perceived in wider society, in comparison to African Americans.

Of course, Latinos, Asian Americans, and of course Native Americans had been in the US for decades before this. But by this time, the “model minority myth” about Asian Americans in general was widely beleived; and urban Latino social and political clout were coming of age in major cities. At the same time, many African Americans felt that the same skin priveleges that had historically affected African Americans were now bestowed upon these other groups. Latinos and Asian Americans also saw this “skin privelege” affecting many of them –especially the lighter-skinned ones. So the refrain had now become a tool to describe racial hierarchy in a more multiethnic U.S.

To my knowledge, neither versions of the refrain include a reference to “if you’re red” — so yes, Rev Lowery, in retelling this refrain, must have added it in to paint a more complete picture of racial unity.

Those of you who have a history of racial coalition work will, like me, appreciate the significance of what he said.

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By: theummah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-2/#comment-228863 theummah Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:30:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-228863 <p>Many Arabs and blacks are brown too. Salaam</p> <p>Negro only means black skinned to people. To the majority of black people many Arabs look like Africans with straight hair, that's it. They may look different to non-african men and women. The word Negro cannot just be applied to any African.</p> Many Arabs and blacks are brown too. Salaam

Negro only means black skinned to people. To the majority of black people many Arabs look like Africans with straight hair, that’s it. They may look different to non-african men and women. The word Negro cannot just be applied to any African.

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By: blue man http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-2/#comment-228822 blue man Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:18:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-228822 <p><i>47 · <b>Natives</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005601.html#comment228735">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Is your IQ less than your age? What part of "I think" you cannot comprehend. Keep your 'No.'s to yourself.</blockquote> <p>No, but it is apparently lower than your blood pressure. <b>I think</b> that the only thing lesser than your penis size is your boiling point.</p> 47 · Natives said

Is your IQ less than your age? What part of “I think” you cannot comprehend. Keep your ‘No.’s to yourself.

No, but it is apparently lower than your blood pressure. I think that the only thing lesser than your penis size is your boiling point.

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By: coffeescoop http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-1/#comment-228777 coffeescoop Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:00:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-228777 <p>The "brown can stick around" was aimed at immigration policies targeted at Hispanics. Bit of a stretch to read the South Asian angle into it, I think, no?</p> The “brown can stick around” was aimed at immigration policies targeted at Hispanics. Bit of a stretch to read the South Asian angle into it, I think, no?

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By: cookiebrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-1/#comment-228748 cookiebrown Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:09:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-228748 <p><b>Black, White & Brown sung by Big Bill Broonzy</b></p> <p>This little song that I'm singin' about People you know it's true If you're black and gotta work for a living This is what they will say to you</p> <p>They says if you was white, should be all right If you was brown, stick around But as you's black, m-mm brother, git back git back git back</p> <p>I was in a place one night They was all having fun They was all byin' beer and wine But they would not sell me none</p> <p>They said if you was white, should be all right If you was brown, stick around But if you black, m-mm brother, git back git back git back</p> <p>Me and a man was workin' side by side This is what it meant They was paying him a dollar an hour And they was paying me fifty cent</p> <p>They said if you was white, 't should be all right If you was brown, could stick around But as you black, m-mm boy, git back git back git back</p> <p>I went to an employment office Got a number 'n' I got in line They called everybody's number But they never did call mine</p> <p>They said if you was white, should be all right If you was brown, could stick around But as you black, m-mm brother, git back git back git back</p> <p>I hope when sweet victory With my plough and hoe Now I want you to tell me brother What you gonna do about the old Jim Crow?</p> <p>Now if you was white, should be all right If you was brown, could stick around But if you black, whoa brother, git back git back git back</p> Black, White & Brown sung by Big Bill Broonzy

This little song that I’m singin’ about People you know it’s true If you’re black and gotta work for a living This is what they will say to you

They says if you was white, should be all right If you was brown, stick around But as you’s black, m-mm brother, git back git back git back

I was in a place one night They was all having fun They was all byin’ beer and wine But they would not sell me none

They said if you was white, should be all right If you was brown, stick around But if you black, m-mm brother, git back git back git back

Me and a man was workin’ side by side This is what it meant They was paying him a dollar an hour And they was paying me fifty cent

They said if you was white, ‘t should be all right If you was brown, could stick around But as you black, m-mm boy, git back git back git back

I went to an employment office Got a number ‘n’ I got in line They called everybody’s number But they never did call mine

They said if you was white, should be all right If you was brown, could stick around But as you black, m-mm brother, git back git back git back

I hope when sweet victory With my plough and hoe Now I want you to tell me brother What you gonna do about the old Jim Crow?

Now if you was white, should be all right If you was brown, could stick around But if you black, whoa brother, git back git back git back

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By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-1/#comment-228739 zee Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:32:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-228739 <p><i>11 · <b>rob</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005601.html#comment228524">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I was totally kidding--Americans are entitled to a bit of religiosity in their public ceremonies if they want it, just like (wait, wait) Indians. ;-)</blockquote> <p>As far as I remember, the oath ceremony in India have almost no religiosity than in US (except using on respective religious books for the oath). If at all there is any, it is usually multi-faith. Remember we have a Sikh PM, and some in high public office are even atheists (e.g. Karunanidhi). I am yet to see an atheist in public office in US.</p> 11 · rob said

I was totally kidding–Americans are entitled to a bit of religiosity in their public ceremonies if they want it, just like (wait, wait) Indians. ;-)

As far as I remember, the oath ceremony in India have almost no religiosity than in US (except using on respective religious books for the oath). If at all there is any, it is usually multi-faith. Remember we have a Sikh PM, and some in high public office are even atheists (e.g. Karunanidhi). I am yet to see an atheist in public office in US.

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By: Natives http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/20/stick_around/comment-page-1/#comment-228735 Natives Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:08:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5601#comment-228735 <p><i>40 · <b>blue man</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005601.html#comment228645">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><i>39 · <b>Natives</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005601.html#comment228629" rel="nofollow">said</a></i> <blockquote>*I think* by red man, he meant "Red Indians" or the native indians, who were conquered by the pilgrims+others.</blockquote> No. He was referring to the sad sequestered shut-in situation of the pale, acutely melanin deprived whites, many of whom are redheads, who are unable to come out into the light of day in today's America for fear of morphing into shades of seared sienna and varuttha vermilion reds. </blockquote> <p>Is your IQ less than your age? What part of "I think" you cannot comprehend. Keep your 'No.'s to yourself.</p> 40 · blue man said

39 · Natives said
*I think* by red man, he meant “Red Indians” or the native indians, who were conquered by the pilgrims+others.
No. He was referring to the sad sequestered shut-in situation of the pale, acutely melanin deprived whites, many of whom are redheads, who are unable to come out into the light of day in today’s America for fear of morphing into shades of seared sienna and varuttha vermilion reds.

Is your IQ less than your age? What part of “I think” you cannot comprehend. Keep your ‘No.’s to yourself.

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