Comments on: So many big balls http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: harminder http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-266416 harminder Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:17:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-266416 <p>Sikhi is not a physical/political identity</p> <p>Its about reading the baani in the ambrosial hours of the morning.Doing sewa at the Gurdwara. Listening to kirtan</p> <p>Its about living in "andar tey bahaar" rehat maryada , with all 5 ks.</p> <p>its about being modest, humble and being a fierce man of war when there is hukam.</p> <p>its about treating this life as temporal.its about ultimately listening to "naad, anahaad" and perceiving "pekhan bismaad "</p> <p>its about realising that this life has preset amount of food and breaths set aside for you....come what may.</p> Sikhi is not a physical/political identity

Its about reading the baani in the ambrosial hours of the morning.Doing sewa at the Gurdwara. Listening to kirtan

Its about living in “andar tey bahaar” rehat maryada , with all 5 ks.

its about being modest, humble and being a fierce man of war when there is hukam.

its about treating this life as temporal.its about ultimately listening to “naad, anahaad” and perceiving “pekhan bismaad “

its about realising that this life has preset amount of food and breaths set aside for you….come what may.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-228496 Camille Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:11:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-228496 <p>boston_mahesh,</p> <p>A few brief points:</p> <ol> <li><p>The majority of Sikhs are desi. Not all Sikhs are desi, particularly not in the U.S. This is not an incongruous statement. Think Venn Diagrams.</p></li> <li><p>Sikhs may compose a relatively small proportion of the total population of India, but this is not the case among Sikhs in the U.S., particularly not in regions where they are hyper-concentrated (e.g., New Jersey, New York, California). Issues of representation and inclusion come up because, I think it is safe to argue, practicing Sikhs tend to be disproportionately harmed by seemingly "neutral" legislation around attire. What do you believe is the "fair coverage" of a minority community? There % of the population?</p></li> <li><p>The British classification of "ethnicity," for legal purposes, is a completely different designation from how we think of race and ethnicity in the United States. It is tied to resources and protection under UK civil rights laws, and it exists in part because the British, historically, did not include religion as a vector for civil rights protection. It is an artifact of the region. That said, I don't think most Sikhs identify Sikhi as an ethnic marker, but some identify with a concept of "nation." I think the rallying identity is religious, however, not anything else. There are unique issues which Sikhs face as a feature of their faith in the West that are different from the issues desis might face. Consequently, there are unique areas for organizing and advocacy which Sikhs may share as a religious community, but may not share along other community markers or lines.</p></li> </ol> boston_mahesh,

A few brief points:

  1. The majority of Sikhs are desi. Not all Sikhs are desi, particularly not in the U.S. This is not an incongruous statement. Think Venn Diagrams.

  2. Sikhs may compose a relatively small proportion of the total population of India, but this is not the case among Sikhs in the U.S., particularly not in regions where they are hyper-concentrated (e.g., New Jersey, New York, California). Issues of representation and inclusion come up because, I think it is safe to argue, practicing Sikhs tend to be disproportionately harmed by seemingly “neutral” legislation around attire. What do you believe is the “fair coverage” of a minority community? There % of the population?

  3. The British classification of “ethnicity,” for legal purposes, is a completely different designation from how we think of race and ethnicity in the United States. It is tied to resources and protection under UK civil rights laws, and it exists in part because the British, historically, did not include religion as a vector for civil rights protection. It is an artifact of the region. That said, I don’t think most Sikhs identify Sikhi as an ethnic marker, but some identify with a concept of “nation.” I think the rallying identity is religious, however, not anything else. There are unique issues which Sikhs face as a feature of their faith in the West that are different from the issues desis might face. Consequently, there are unique areas for organizing and advocacy which Sikhs may share as a religious community, but may not share along other community markers or lines.

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-228431 Suki Dillon Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:54:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-228431 <p><i>But more than anything, she was drawn by the sense that she shared something fundamental in common with the young man whose skin color was so close to her own that Gachoke initially thought he might be Indian.</p> <p>“He is one of us, you know,” she said. “He feels the pain.” [Link]</i></p> <p>So Gachoke is saying that Obama is one of us by the color of his skin. After all didn't Martin Luther King say something about judging a person by there character and not the color of there skin.</p> But more than anything, she was drawn by the sense that she shared something fundamental in common with the young man whose skin color was so close to her own that Gachoke initially thought he might be Indian.

“He is one of us, you know,” she said. “He feels the pain.” [Link]

So Gachoke is saying that Obama is one of us by the color of his skin. After all didn’t Martin Luther King say something about judging a person by there character and not the color of there skin.

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By: Femidesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-228408 Femidesi Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:08:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-228408 <p>There's no way the woman in the photo is 63 years old. It's either Gulshan when she was young or they made a mistake and put someone else's photo there. You can tell by the tautness of her neck and arm skin. The woman in the photo is no older than 40.</p> <blockquote>lest someone mistake her for a Muslim and insult her</blockquote> <blockquote>Typical kool-aid drinker and consumer of the MSM. Pathetic.</blockquote> <p>There's more at play than just fear of "insults" here. At least I would hope so. I mean, living almost in purdah (behind the desi curtain) all because you are afraid of a little name calling??? Anything is possible.</p> <p>However I will qoute a fave of mine and chalk up Gulshan's self-restricting behaviour to training. It's the only thing that makes sense, given the context.</p> <blockquote>"When you control a man's thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go yonder. He will find his "proper place" and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special benefit. His education makes it necessary."</blockquote> <p>Carter G. Woodson, from The Miseducation of the Negro</p> There’s no way the woman in the photo is 63 years old. It’s either Gulshan when she was young or they made a mistake and put someone else’s photo there. You can tell by the tautness of her neck and arm skin. The woman in the photo is no older than 40.

lest someone mistake her for a Muslim and insult her
Typical kool-aid drinker and consumer of the MSM. Pathetic.

There’s more at play than just fear of “insults” here. At least I would hope so. I mean, living almost in purdah (behind the desi curtain) all because you are afraid of a little name calling??? Anything is possible.

However I will qoute a fave of mine and chalk up Gulshan’s self-restricting behaviour to training. It’s the only thing that makes sense, given the context.

“When you control a man’s thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go yonder. He will find his “proper place” and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special benefit. His education makes it necessary.”

Carter G. Woodson, from The Miseducation of the Negro

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By: bleh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-228382 bleh Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:59:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-228382 <blockquote>lest someone mistake her for a Muslim and insult her</blockquote> <p>Typical kool-aid drinker and consumer of the MSM. Pathetic.</p> lest someone mistake her for a Muslim and insult her

Typical kool-aid drinker and consumer of the MSM. Pathetic.

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By: Priya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-228373 Priya Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:46:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-228373 <p><i>28 · <b><a href="http://digitalcabinet.blogspot.com">Digital Cabinet</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005595.html#comment228344">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><i>19 · <b>Priya</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005595.html#comment228253">said</a></i> <blockquote>Oops I meant this thong</blockquote> And can they blog about it with pictures later? </blockquote> <p>Sure but that depends on whether they have the right <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/twominds/2008/03/how_the_heck_does_supermans_xr.php">boyfriends/spouses/date</a> for the party.</p> 28 · Digital Cabinet said

19 · Priya said
Oops I meant this thong
And can they blog about it with pictures later?

Sure but that depends on whether they have the right boyfriends/spouses/date for the party.

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By: Digital Cabinet http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-228344 Digital Cabinet Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:40:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-228344 <p><i>19 · <B>Priya</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005595.html#comment228253">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Oops I meant this thong</blockquote> <p>And can they blog about it with pictures later?</p> 19 · Priya said

Oops I meant this thong

And can they blog about it with pictures later?

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By: Xyzz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-228334 Xyzz Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:26:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-228334 <blockquote>Gulshan Gachoke is in pretty good shape at 63!</blockquote> <p>Ditto. Assuming it is a recent picture.</p> Gulshan Gachoke is in pretty good shape at 63!

Ditto. Assuming it is a recent picture.

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By: Lea http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-228316 Lea Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:31:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-228316 <p>I'm currently watching the ending of the inaugral concert. Did y'all see Barack and Michelle give Kal Penn a really fond hugs? Wolf Blitzer is all like, "Obviously, Michelle Obama knows that individual very well from how she's speaking to him. I don't know who that is." Oh, Blitzer!</p> I’m currently watching the ending of the inaugral concert. Did y’all see Barack and Michelle give Kal Penn a really fond hugs? Wolf Blitzer is all like, “Obviously, Michelle Obama knows that individual very well from how she’s speaking to him. I don’t know who that is.” Oh, Blitzer!

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/16/so_many_big_bal/comment-page-1/#comment-228288 Suki Dillon Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:00:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5595#comment-228288 <p><i>Although it has been more than 30 years since Gachoke and her husband left their village in India’s Punjab province for Northern California — and 18 years since she became a U.S. citizen — the 63-year-old speaks halting English, doesn’t know how to use the Internet and almost never ventures beyond her Fremont neighborhood’s Indian shops, lest someone mistake her for a Muslim and insult her.</i></p> <p>A 60 something punjabi women who is a sikh and speaks halting English and has been in the US about 30 years and live in Northern California. Kind reminds of about half dozen women I know as my aunts. Yet somehow my aunts leave there neighborhood every once in while. I'm so lucky to have aunts with such courage.</p> Although it has been more than 30 years since Gachoke and her husband left their village in India’s Punjab province for Northern California — and 18 years since she became a U.S. citizen — the 63-year-old speaks halting English, doesn’t know how to use the Internet and almost never ventures beyond her Fremont neighborhood’s Indian shops, lest someone mistake her for a Muslim and insult her.

A 60 something punjabi women who is a sikh and speaks halting English and has been in the US about 30 years and live in Northern California. Kind reminds of about half dozen women I know as my aunts. Yet somehow my aunts leave there neighborhood every once in while. I’m so lucky to have aunts with such courage.

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