Comments on: The knives come out for Gupta http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227656 MoorNam Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:14:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227656 <p>Now let's hope that Sanjay has paid his taxes properly...</p> <p>M. Nam</p> Now let’s hope that Sanjay has paid his taxes properly…

M. Nam

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By: fallen jhumki http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227558 fallen jhumki Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:38:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227558 <p><i>1 · <b>ShallowThinker</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005586.html#comment227188">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I can't hate him because there is always someone better. You got a hot wife? Someone has a hotter wife. You make alot of money? Someone makes slot more. The game will never end and you will lose, so why play it? </blockquote> <p>I like you, you make SENSE =]</p> 1 · ShallowThinker said

I can’t hate him because there is always someone better. You got a hot wife? Someone has a hotter wife. You make alot of money? Someone makes slot more. The game will never end and you will lose, so why play it?

I like you, you make SENSE =]

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227516 Abhi Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:12:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227516 <p>los anjalis thanks for your input by I lump you together with the Gupta types. You are both a doctor and a dj. Stop rubbing it in :)</p> los anjalis thanks for your input by I lump you together with the Gupta types. You are both a doctor and a dj. Stop rubbing it in :)

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227499 Manju Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:50:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227499 <blockquote>and not to put Dr Gupta and others on TOO tall a pedestal, it only makes the narrow-minded indian-americans happier.</blockquote> <p>Broad-minded indain-americans put Malika Sherewat on a pedistal.</p> and not to put Dr Gupta and others on TOO tall a pedestal, it only makes the narrow-minded indian-americans happier.

Broad-minded indain-americans put Malika Sherewat on a pedistal.

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By: desi uncle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227498 desi uncle Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:44:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227498 <p><i>16 · <B>Manju</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005586.html#comment227497">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>it only makes the narrow-minded indian-americans happier.</blockquote> <p>narrow-minded indian-americans are people too. we are also entitled to the pursuit of happiness. sanjay gupta should be rightly hailed as a role-model for the younger generation. if only he had married a nice indian bania girl, he'd be like an avatara of lord vishnu on earth.</p> 16 · Manju said

it only makes the narrow-minded indian-americans happier.

narrow-minded indian-americans are people too. we are also entitled to the pursuit of happiness. sanjay gupta should be rightly hailed as a role-model for the younger generation. if only he had married a nice indian bania girl, he’d be like an avatara of lord vishnu on earth.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227497 Manju Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:30:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227497 <p><i>12 · <B><A href="http://www.losanjalis.com" rel=nofollow>Los Anjalis</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005586.html#comment227480">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>It's our challenge though to see through that, celebrate all of our wonderful accomplishments, and not to put Dr Gupta and others on TOO tall a pedestal, it only makes the narrow-minded indian-americans happier.</blockquote> <p>goddammit, alright, ok...i revert back to Engelbert Humperdinck.</p> 12 · Los Anjalis said

It’s our challenge though to see through that, celebrate all of our wonderful accomplishments, and not to put Dr Gupta and others on TOO tall a pedestal, it only makes the narrow-minded indian-americans happier.

goddammit, alright, ok…i revert back to Engelbert Humperdinck.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227493 rob Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:52:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227493 <blockquote>Gupta may be good looking and a neurosurgeon and great at PR, but not adequately qualified to oversee 6,000 public health professionals and advise the health policy team of the administration (parts of his job).</blockquote> <p>What are you looking for here, exactly? 10 years of mediocrity working for the Federal Gov't? Give me a break!</p> Gupta may be good looking and a neurosurgeon and great at PR, but not adequately qualified to oversee 6,000 public health professionals and advise the health policy team of the administration (parts of his job).

What are you looking for here, exactly? 10 years of mediocrity working for the Federal Gov’t? Give me a break!

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By: los anjalis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227488 los anjalis Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:33:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227488 <p>Phillygrrl, I anticipated a response like this. I'm not stupid, I understand that Abhi's post is supposed to be funny. But it ends with this:</p> <blockquote>I hate to say it but maybe Mandvi was actually right in his Daily Show report and the different minorities are trying to one up each other in a race. One of the most powerful African American congressmen is essentially throwing a hissy-fit because the brother of the NAACP President didn’t get the nod ahead of Gupta.</blockquote> <p>There's the serious part of Abhi's funny post. To respond to that with a serious answer is not "someone took that post way too seriously." And "someone took that post way too seriously" is a common statement used to completely derail a well-thought-out argument.</p> Phillygrrl, I anticipated a response like this. I’m not stupid, I understand that Abhi’s post is supposed to be funny. But it ends with this:

I hate to say it but maybe Mandvi was actually right in his Daily Show report and the different minorities are trying to one up each other in a race. One of the most powerful African American congressmen is essentially throwing a hissy-fit because the brother of the NAACP President didn’t get the nod ahead of Gupta.

There’s the serious part of Abhi’s funny post. To respond to that with a serious answer is not “someone took that post way too seriously.” And “someone took that post way too seriously” is a common statement used to completely derail a well-thought-out argument.

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By: phillygrrl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227483 phillygrrl Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:53:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227483 <p>Wow, someone took that post way too seriously. But anyway, very funny. Good post, Abhi, thanks.</p> Wow, someone took that post way too seriously. But anyway, very funny. Good post, Abhi, thanks.

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By: Los Anjalis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/11/the_knives_come_1/comment-page-1/#comment-227480 Los Anjalis Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:47:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5586#comment-227480 <p>Funny, Abhi. But misleading to insinuate that 1) folks are trying to pit brown against black and that 2) Representative John Conyers doesn't think Gupta's qualified for the job BECAUSE he recommended someone else as surgeon general.</p> <p>It remains a fact that many in the public health field (including the head of the public health commissioned officers quoted above) think that Gupta may be good looking and a neurosurgeon and great at PR, but not adequately qualified to oversee 6,000 public health professionals and advise the health policy team of the administration (parts of his job). Yes, he was a white house fellow for a year and advised Hillary Clinton back in the day, sure. And yes, he does health reporting, and PR is an important part of the job of surgeon general, and I see where Obama's going with picking a media-saavy guy as SG, but those who have issues with Gupta do not have issues because of pitting black vs brown.</p> <p>And it remains a fact that Gupta has MANY conflicts of interest including his pandering to pharmaceutical companies. If you do a google search regarding the conflicts of interest you'll find instances where Gupta completely ignored evidence-based medicine in his reports (for example, he was still denying Vioxx was a harmful drug AFTER experts concluded that it was). The Michael Moore vs Gupta issue comes up again because Gupta's "reality check" was so fraught with lies that anyone with the time and staff he had to research the issue could have seen through that (raises questions about whether Gupta was influenced by the health insurance advertisers on CNN). (I wrote about it <a href="http://www.curethis.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=299">at Cure This</a>. Representative Conyers is more upset about Gupta having conflicts of interest and unprofessionally smearing Moore about his film "Sicko" than about Gupta not being the guy he recommended. And Conyers has good reason to be upset, he's the sponsor of H.R. 676, a bill in the house that aims for government paid insurance (for privately delivered healthcare for all Americans) and Gupta used his "reality check" segment to smear the worth of such an aim.</p> <p>And the Paul Krugman piece linked above is of great importance. I felt like i had to read it a few times for it to really sink in, but it's SO true.</p> <p>But back to the south asian thing you mention -- I agree this doesn't help us all from feeling like we can't ever achieve what the "good" south asians achieve in life. It's our challenge though to see through that, celebrate all of our wonderful accomplishments, and not to put Dr Gupta and others on TOO tall a pedestal, it only makes the narrow-minded indian-americans happier. I don't mean any offense by that, I think Dr Gupta would agree with that.</p> Funny, Abhi. But misleading to insinuate that 1) folks are trying to pit brown against black and that 2) Representative John Conyers doesn’t think Gupta’s qualified for the job BECAUSE he recommended someone else as surgeon general.

It remains a fact that many in the public health field (including the head of the public health commissioned officers quoted above) think that Gupta may be good looking and a neurosurgeon and great at PR, but not adequately qualified to oversee 6,000 public health professionals and advise the health policy team of the administration (parts of his job). Yes, he was a white house fellow for a year and advised Hillary Clinton back in the day, sure. And yes, he does health reporting, and PR is an important part of the job of surgeon general, and I see where Obama’s going with picking a media-saavy guy as SG, but those who have issues with Gupta do not have issues because of pitting black vs brown.

And it remains a fact that Gupta has MANY conflicts of interest including his pandering to pharmaceutical companies. If you do a google search regarding the conflicts of interest you’ll find instances where Gupta completely ignored evidence-based medicine in his reports (for example, he was still denying Vioxx was a harmful drug AFTER experts concluded that it was). The Michael Moore vs Gupta issue comes up again because Gupta’s “reality check” was so fraught with lies that anyone with the time and staff he had to research the issue could have seen through that (raises questions about whether Gupta was influenced by the health insurance advertisers on CNN). (I wrote about it at Cure This. Representative Conyers is more upset about Gupta having conflicts of interest and unprofessionally smearing Moore about his film “Sicko” than about Gupta not being the guy he recommended. And Conyers has good reason to be upset, he’s the sponsor of H.R. 676, a bill in the house that aims for government paid insurance (for privately delivered healthcare for all Americans) and Gupta used his “reality check” segment to smear the worth of such an aim.

And the Paul Krugman piece linked above is of great importance. I felt like i had to read it a few times for it to really sink in, but it’s SO true.

But back to the south asian thing you mention — I agree this doesn’t help us all from feeling like we can’t ever achieve what the “good” south asians achieve in life. It’s our challenge though to see through that, celebrate all of our wonderful accomplishments, and not to put Dr Gupta and others on TOO tall a pedestal, it only makes the narrow-minded indian-americans happier. I don’t mean any offense by that, I think Dr Gupta would agree with that.

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