Comments on: Satyam: The “Truth” Will Out http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: nm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227995 nm Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:23:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227995 <p>ramalinga raju on vir sanghvi's show</p> <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNrM-3EKl4</p> ramalinga raju on vir sanghvi’s show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNrM-3EKl4

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By: Gorbag http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227650 Gorbag Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:54:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227650 <p>Contrary to what Kumar N. says Infosys is very differently run than Satyam. And about Tam Brams in top management - it is similar to Tam Brams dominating IIT and research faculties and has nothing to do with 'family ties'. Anybody who has actually worked in Indian IT will know the respect Infy commands as an industry leaders. For the rest - steady your opinions before expressing them. You can't compare a company like Infy founded on ethical Brahminical principles by the frugal 3-BHK dweller Narayana Murthy with a jugaad dhandaa like Satyam.</p> Contrary to what Kumar N. says Infosys is very differently run than Satyam. And about Tam Brams in top management – it is similar to Tam Brams dominating IIT and research faculties and has nothing to do with ‘family ties’. Anybody who has actually worked in Indian IT will know the respect Infy commands as an industry leaders. For the rest – steady your opinions before expressing them. You can’t compare a company like Infy founded on ethical Brahminical principles by the frugal 3-BHK dweller Narayana Murthy with a jugaad dhandaa like Satyam.

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By: DesiDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227403 DesiDude Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:36:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227403 <p>Could it be worse because of the caste system?</p> <p><i>Just like the old-boy (read white male) prejudice is made worse, by the residual effects slavery, Jim Crow, segregation etc..etc. In fact there was Harvard University on the effect of "ethnic" names on employment chances, and the one with the "real,American" names got selected before the "ethnic" ones, for the same university. </i> The old boy network in America is slowly being diminished (I think).</p> <p><i>Sure, LOL, For example there are just 2 black head coaches in college football. ESPN did a piece on that. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2783335. In the Fortune 500 CEO list only four are black http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21644144/ Yeah the old boy network is being dismantled (in your dreams that is).</i></p> <p>The president is an African-American who pulled himself up from the bootstraps.</p> <p>The president <strike>is</strike> WAS an African-American who pulled himself up from the bootstraps.</p> <p>The head of Citibank is an Indian <i> The head of Wipro is a Muslim</i></p> <p>The head of Pepsi is an Indian woman <i> The head of Biocon is an Indian woman. </i></p> <p>The incoming surgeon general will be an Indian <i> The head of the Congress Party is a white Italian immigrant</i></p> <p>I think America may be much more open to diversity and is in some ways a more meritocratic society.</p> <p><i>Yeah, Tom Tancredo and Lou "damn job-stealing furriners" Dobbs might have something to say on that</i></p> Could it be worse because of the caste system?

Just like the old-boy (read white male) prejudice is made worse, by the residual effects slavery, Jim Crow, segregation etc..etc. In fact there was Harvard University on the effect of “ethnic” names on employment chances, and the one with the “real,American” names got selected before the “ethnic” ones, for the same university. The old boy network in America is slowly being diminished (I think).

Sure, LOL, For example there are just 2 black head coaches in college football. ESPN did a piece on that. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2783335. In the Fortune 500 CEO list only four are black http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21644144/ Yeah the old boy network is being dismantled (in your dreams that is).

The president is an African-American who pulled himself up from the bootstraps.

The president is WAS an African-American who pulled himself up from the bootstraps.

The head of Citibank is an Indian The head of Wipro is a Muslim

The head of Pepsi is an Indian woman The head of Biocon is an Indian woman.

The incoming surgeon general will be an Indian The head of the Congress Party is a white Italian immigrant

I think America may be much more open to diversity and is in some ways a more meritocratic society.

Yeah, Tom Tancredo and Lou “damn job-stealing furriners” Dobbs might have something to say on that

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By: umber desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227304 umber desi Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:19:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227304 <p>Ramesh,</p> <p>I never use such language here but you are an idiot, I went to school with plenty of people from Hyderabad and must say you are way off base.</p> Ramesh,

I never use such language here but you are an idiot, I went to school with plenty of people from Hyderabad and must say you are way off base.

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By: umber desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227292 umber desi Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:15:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227292 <p>Can someone please delete Ramesh's comment, it is wrong on so many levels.</p> Can someone please delete Ramesh’s comment, it is wrong on so many levels.

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By: nm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227183 nm Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:39:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227183 <p><i>98 · <b>voiceofreason</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005585.html#comment227173">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>is the clannishness of Indian business culture any worse than the cliqueishness (read old boy networks) of the American business culture. Nepotism is replaced here in the US by an insider sentiment. Correct me if I am wrong here. </blockquote> <p>Could it be worse because of the caste system?</p> <p>The old boy network in America is slowly being diminished (I think).</p> <p>The president is an African-American who pulled himself up from the bootstraps. The head of Citibank is an Indian The head of Pepsi is an Indian woman The incoming surgeon general will be an Indian</p> <p>I think America may be much more open to diversity and is in some ways a more meritocratic society.</p> 98 · voiceofreason said

is the clannishness of Indian business culture any worse than the cliqueishness (read old boy networks) of the American business culture. Nepotism is replaced here in the US by an insider sentiment. Correct me if I am wrong here.

Could it be worse because of the caste system?

The old boy network in America is slowly being diminished (I think).

The president is an African-American who pulled himself up from the bootstraps. The head of Citibank is an Indian The head of Pepsi is an Indian woman The incoming surgeon general will be an Indian

I think America may be much more open to diversity and is in some ways a more meritocratic society.

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By: Rama http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227176 Rama Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:55:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227176 <blockquote>the whole, now deeply tarnished “India Shining” mythology.</blockquote> <p>If you think that \"India Shining\" was a myth then why worry about the lie being tarnished?</p> the whole, now deeply tarnished “India Shining” mythology.

If you think that \”India Shining\” was a myth then why worry about the lie being tarnished?

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By: Rama http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227175 Rama Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:47:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227175 <blockquote>I haven\'t had a good experience with indian customer service agents. What\'s wrong with saying that? I think the filipino\'s are much more friendly and maybe that\'s where the competition might come from -- places like the phillipines and parts of English speaking Africa.</blockquote> <p>Can you imagine where India, Phillipines and english speaking Africa would be today without the enormous advantages the english language bequeaths them?</p> I haven\’t had a good experience with indian customer service agents. What\’s wrong with saying that? I think the filipino\’s are much more friendly and maybe that\’s where the competition might come from — places like the phillipines and parts of English speaking Africa.

Can you imagine where India, Phillipines and english speaking Africa would be today without the enormous advantages the english language bequeaths them?

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By: scandalwatcher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227174 scandalwatcher Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:38:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227174 <p>Kavitha@92,</p> <p>I don't think SOX really helps to reduce the likelihood of fraud. Sec. 404 is a controls attestation. And any control can be circumvented in the presense of collusion. Sec 302 is a management attestation, that is really only worth the paper on which it's written. In the case of Satyam, it's clear that if controls were in place, they were circumvented, and the management attestations were false.</p> Kavitha@92,

I don’t think SOX really helps to reduce the likelihood of fraud. Sec. 404 is a controls attestation. And any control can be circumvented in the presense of collusion. Sec 302 is a management attestation, that is really only worth the paper on which it’s written. In the case of Satyam, it’s clear that if controls were in place, they were circumvented, and the management attestations were false.

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By: voiceofreason http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/09/satyam_the_trut/comment-page-2/#comment-227173 voiceofreason Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:29:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5585#comment-227173 <p>is the clannishness of Indian business culture any worse than the cliqueishness (read old boy networks) of the American business culture. Nepotism is replaced here in the US by an insider sentiment. Correct me if I am wrong here.</p> is the clannishness of Indian business culture any worse than the cliqueishness (read old boy networks) of the American business culture. Nepotism is replaced here in the US by an insider sentiment. Correct me if I am wrong here.

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