Comments on: The Economist’s Economists http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/the_economists/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/the_economists/comment-page-1/#comment-226516 amaun Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:47:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5574#comment-226516 <p><i>the decline of old line econ, sociology, psychology, etc., will hopefully cede ground to a new integrative social science (sort of the social science equivalent of the rise of molecular biology/biochemistry/biophysics through a synthesis of techniques and topics).</i></p> <p>The problem with adding the the word "science" to the study of human individual/collective response/motivation is the expectation of some "unification of understanding". This is not to say that the scientific method cannot be used to discern first order effects from second order effects in economics. I am just saying that human beings change their behavior with time/education.</p> the decline of old line econ, sociology, psychology, etc., will hopefully cede ground to a new integrative social science (sort of the social science equivalent of the rise of molecular biology/biochemistry/biophysics through a synthesis of techniques and topics).

The problem with adding the the word “science” to the study of human individual/collective response/motivation is the expectation of some “unification of understanding”. This is not to say that the scientific method cannot be used to discern first order effects from second order effects in economics. I am just saying that human beings change their behavior with time/education.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/the_economists/comment-page-1/#comment-226507 jyotsana Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:39:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5574#comment-226507 <blockquote>In one study, Ms Duflo and her colleagues showed that mothers in the Indian state of Rajasthan are three times as likely to have their children vaccinated if they are rewarded with a kilogram of daal (lentils) at the immunisation camp. The result is useful to aid workers, but puzzling to economists: why should such a modest incentive (worth less than 50 cents) make such a big difference? Immunisation can save a child's life; a bag of lentils should not sway the mother's decision either way.</blockquote> <p>Even a donkey knows that the length of two sides of a triangle, added up, exceed that of the third side - since it sooner than later takes the shortest route inside a manger to the fodder! Wonder why Duflo traveled all the way to Rajasthan for her work. There's plenty to work on right here in the US, even on the subject of vaccination. She could, for instance, study if incentives will sway parents to get their daughters vaccinated with the HPV.</p> In one study, Ms Duflo and her colleagues showed that mothers in the Indian state of Rajasthan are three times as likely to have their children vaccinated if they are rewarded with a kilogram of daal (lentils) at the immunisation camp. The result is useful to aid workers, but puzzling to economists: why should such a modest incentive (worth less than 50 cents) make such a big difference? Immunisation can save a child’s life; a bag of lentils should not sway the mother’s decision either way.

Even a donkey knows that the length of two sides of a triangle, added up, exceed that of the third side – since it sooner than later takes the shortest route inside a manger to the fodder! Wonder why Duflo traveled all the way to Rajasthan for her work. There’s plenty to work on right here in the US, even on the subject of vaccination. She could, for instance, study if incentives will sway parents to get their daughters vaccinated with the HPV.

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By: Frandroid Atreides http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/the_economists/comment-page-1/#comment-226444 Frandroid Atreides Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:52:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5574#comment-226444 <p><i>impulse reward</i></p> <p>I would go as far as to say that this was a pulse reward!</p> impulse reward

I would go as far as to say that this was a pulse reward!

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By: Diva http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/the_economists/comment-page-1/#comment-226415 Diva Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:16:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5574#comment-226415 <blockquote>Since we profiled Chetty, he's racked up another important accolade - tieing Obama-advisor Larry Summer's record for becoming the youngest tenured econ professor at Harvard at the tender age of 28 - </blockquote> <p>Btw according to the introduction preceeding the Sach's speech at Google ( <a href="http://www.sachs.earth.columbia.edu/commonwealth/news.php">April 9, 2008 Authors@Google: Jeffrey D. Sachs video link here</a>), Sach is considered to be the youngest tenured prof (may not be just eco) at Harvard. The desi connection to Sach's is that he was awarded Padma Bhushan, highest civilian honor by the Indian govt. in 2007</p> Since we profiled Chetty, he’s racked up another important accolade – tieing Obama-advisor Larry Summer’s record for becoming the youngest tenured econ professor at Harvard at the tender age of 28 –

Btw according to the introduction preceeding the Sach’s speech at Google ( April 9, 2008 Authors@Google: Jeffrey D. Sachs video link here), Sach is considered to be the youngest tenured prof (may not be just eco) at Harvard. The desi connection to Sach’s is that he was awarded Padma Bhushan, highest civilian honor by the Indian govt. in 2007

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By: Diva http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/the_economists/comment-page-1/#comment-226412 Diva Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:59:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5574#comment-226412 <blockquote>In development, William Easterly calls this the difference between "planners" and "seekers" and it's sorta the diff between traditional Foreign Aid grants vs. programs like Microloans</blockquote> <p>Well there are economists like <a href="http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/1804">Jeffery Sachs </a>from the Earth Insititute who believe that the amount of money spent by developed world is pittance considering the scale of developmental problems. From his <a href="http://www.sachs.earth.columbia.edu/commonwealth/">writings</a> I presume he falls into the "planners" category.</p> In development, William Easterly calls this the difference between “planners” and “seekers” and it’s sorta the diff between traditional Foreign Aid grants vs. programs like Microloans

Well there are economists like Jeffery Sachs from the Earth Insititute who believe that the amount of money spent by developed world is pittance considering the scale of developmental problems. From his writings I presume he falls into the “planners” category.

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By: GallopingGranny http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/the_economists/comment-page-1/#comment-226390 GallopingGranny Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:06:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5574#comment-226390 <p>Amartya Sen had a nice <a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301fareviewessay85214/amartya-sen/the-man-without-a-plan.html">review</a> of Easterly</p> Amartya Sen had a nice review of Easterly

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By: No von Mises http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/the_economists/comment-page-1/#comment-226387 No von Mises Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:41:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5574#comment-226387 <p>what razib said. and add <a href="http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2009/01/can-the-us-economy-afford-a-keynesian-stimulus/">this morose bit from today's FT</a> and you've got a healthy dose of pessimism to waddle through:</p> <blockquote>Economic policy is based on a collection of half-truths. The nature of these half-truths changes occasionally. Economics as a scholarly discipline consists in the periodic rediscovery and refinement of old half-truths. Little progress has been made in the past century or so towards understanding how economic policy, rules, legislation and regulation influence economic fluctuations, financial stability, growth, poverty or inequality. We know that a few extreme approaches that have been tried yield lousy results - central planning, self-regulating financial markets - but we don’t know much that is constructive beyond that. The main uses of economics as a scholarly discipline are therefore negative or destructive - pointing out that certain things don’t make sense and won’t deliver the promised results. This blog post falls into that category.</blockquote> what razib said. and add this morose bit from today’s FT and you’ve got a healthy dose of pessimism to waddle through:

Economic policy is based on a collection of half-truths. The nature of these half-truths changes occasionally. Economics as a scholarly discipline consists in the periodic rediscovery and refinement of old half-truths. Little progress has been made in the past century or so towards understanding how economic policy, rules, legislation and regulation influence economic fluctuations, financial stability, growth, poverty or inequality. We know that a few extreme approaches that have been tried yield lousy results – central planning, self-regulating financial markets – but we don’t know much that is constructive beyond that. The main uses of economics as a scholarly discipline are therefore negative or destructive – pointing out that certain things don’t make sense and won’t deliver the promised results. This blog post falls into that category.
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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/the_economists/comment-page-1/#comment-226385 razib Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:38:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5574#comment-226385 <p><i> The brain has dramatically different paths for serious, considered decisions ("this vaccination thing sounds like a good deal for our kids") vs. impulse ones ("mmm… daal….").</i></p> <p>right, this is the classic cog sci distinction between slow & deliberative rational general intelligence vs. "hard & fast" reflexive competencies. the main wrinkle is that i think too many people neglect that what was one slow & deliberative can slowly shift toward "hard & fast" reflexive with enough experience & repetition. i especially thought this paragraph was important: <i>In the decades since, the laces have been unpicked. It is not just that economists are nosing into new fields of social behaviour. They have been doing that at least since Gary Becker of the University of Chicago wrote about crime and the family in the 1960s and 1970s. <b>But today’s economists show no great attachment to the rational model of behaviour</b> that guided Mr Becker. Economic theory has become so eclectic that ingenious researchers can usually cook up a plausible model to explain whatever empirical results they find interesting. <b>Economics is now defined neither by its subject matter nor by its method.</b></i></p> <p>the decline of old line econ, sociology, psychology, etc., will hopefully cede ground to a new integrative social science (sort of the social science equivalent of the rise of molecular biology/biochemistry/biophysics through a synthesis of techniques and topics).</p> The brain has dramatically different paths for serious, considered decisions (“this vaccination thing sounds like a good deal for our kids”) vs. impulse ones (“mmm… daal….”).

right, this is the classic cog sci distinction between slow & deliberative rational general intelligence vs. “hard & fast” reflexive competencies. the main wrinkle is that i think too many people neglect that what was one slow & deliberative can slowly shift toward “hard & fast” reflexive with enough experience & repetition. i especially thought this paragraph was important: In the decades since, the laces have been unpicked. It is not just that economists are nosing into new fields of social behaviour. They have been doing that at least since Gary Becker of the University of Chicago wrote about crime and the family in the 1960s and 1970s. But today’s economists show no great attachment to the rational model of behaviour that guided Mr Becker. Economic theory has become so eclectic that ingenious researchers can usually cook up a plausible model to explain whatever empirical results they find interesting. Economics is now defined neither by its subject matter nor by its method.

the decline of old line econ, sociology, psychology, etc., will hopefully cede ground to a new integrative social science (sort of the social science equivalent of the rise of molecular biology/biochemistry/biophysics through a synthesis of techniques and topics).

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