Comments on: Race and statewide office http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Gori Wife http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-231591 The Gori Wife Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:13:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-231591 <p><</p> <p>blockquote><i>38 · <b>Manju</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005576.html#comment226557">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><i>33 · <b>Ikram</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005576.html#comment226550">said</a></i> <blockquote>his (gori) wife is a lawyer</blockquote> hopefully she's not blonde. if she's italian maybe we can try to pass her off. pull a sonia gandhi or something. </blockquote> <p>Growl.</p> <

blockquote>38 · Manju said

33 · Ikram said
his (gori) wife is a lawyer
hopefully she’s not blonde. if she’s italian maybe we can try to pass her off. pull a sonia gandhi or something.

Growl.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-227729 rob Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:48:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-227729 <p>That's cool that your father is a Vivekananda fan--I have his collected works, passed down from my grandparents who aren't Tamil (hehehe--they're Biharis).</p> That’s cool that your father is a Vivekananda fan–I have his collected works, passed down from my grandparents who aren’t Tamil (hehehe–they’re Biharis).

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-227698 rob Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:34:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-227698 <p>Fair points, port--</p> Fair points, port–

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-227653 portmanteau Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:29:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-227653 <p><i>56 · <B>rob</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005576.html#comment227642">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>But, ok, then, where should I be?</blockquote> <p>as long as your political stand is clear to yourself, rob, stand alone. you don't need to join any group. you, of all people, know that the results of private effort can far exceed the efforts of any political party. i understand your frustration with the desi left. ok, but then why join the desi right? as far as economic development goes, these parties (ie congress+allies) have liberalized when india's foreign reserves were empty, they couldn't service our outstanding loans. pretty much all govts. have continued to liberalize, there is no other option. there are some projects where politicians need to backtrack because of bad publicity, but c'mon even the US right supported bail-outs when it had to. you want to make a difference? find a good project to which you can donate your hard-earned money. sponsor a scholarship. look up the barefoot schools. give money to a reputable microcredit organization. there are some neat infosys sponsored environmental/infrastructure thinktanks that operate out of bangalore. support VCs who make great projects happen in india. build a library. buy from rural craftpeople. collect indian art. give money to an army welfare organization. there is so much productive stuff happening and so many good people who need your assistance. i once recalled telling you how VHP was actually anti-market a while ago (i worked hard one time on a comment i wrote about anti-liberalization/anti-free trade hindu groups, including VHP (c. 1990s); don't know if you read it). ok, vivekananda is gifted in many ways (incidentally, my dad is a huge fan; he made a large pen-and-ink portrait of v.n. which still hangs in our house :)), but i don't see him endorsing what goes on with VHP et al. and no, all hindu organizations are not fascist, but some definitely show anti-democratic and anti-liberal (classical liberalism) tendencies.</p> 56 · rob said

But, ok, then, where should I be?

as long as your political stand is clear to yourself, rob, stand alone. you don’t need to join any group. you, of all people, know that the results of private effort can far exceed the efforts of any political party. i understand your frustration with the desi left. ok, but then why join the desi right? as far as economic development goes, these parties (ie congress+allies) have liberalized when india’s foreign reserves were empty, they couldn’t service our outstanding loans. pretty much all govts. have continued to liberalize, there is no other option. there are some projects where politicians need to backtrack because of bad publicity, but c’mon even the US right supported bail-outs when it had to. you want to make a difference? find a good project to which you can donate your hard-earned money. sponsor a scholarship. look up the barefoot schools. give money to a reputable microcredit organization. there are some neat infosys sponsored environmental/infrastructure thinktanks that operate out of bangalore. support VCs who make great projects happen in india. build a library. buy from rural craftpeople. collect indian art. give money to an army welfare organization. there is so much productive stuff happening and so many good people who need your assistance. i once recalled telling you how VHP was actually anti-market a while ago (i worked hard one time on a comment i wrote about anti-liberalization/anti-free trade hindu groups, including VHP (c. 1990s); don’t know if you read it). ok, vivekananda is gifted in many ways (incidentally, my dad is a huge fan; he made a large pen-and-ink portrait of v.n. which still hangs in our house :) ), but i don’t see him endorsing what goes on with VHP et al. and no, all hindu organizations are not fascist, but some definitely show anti-democratic and anti-liberal (classical liberalism) tendencies.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-227642 rob Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:45:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-227642 <blockquote>the truth, rob, is that you would not be hanging out with these people in india. they won't see eye-to-eye with your cristal-swilling</blockquote> <p>Hey--I don't swill! But, ok, then, where should I be? My main objection is to the attack on any sort of Vivekananda-esque pro-Hindu group as being Fascists--I really dislike what the Left has done to Bharat--and, my parents wouldn't say this, but--please--this <i>is</i> why they left. They got a top-notch education in India--they left for economic opportunity, no (i.e., not allowed to flourish by the Left)? I don't get along with my relatives in India anymore (my grandparents were awesome, but the aunties and uncles--puuuhlleeeze!), so, again, I'm a bad guy? I think not--I'm more into South Asia than most--I'm cooling my heels in Galle when I need a break from NYC.</p> the truth, rob, is that you would not be hanging out with these people in india. they won’t see eye-to-eye with your cristal-swilling

Hey–I don’t swill! But, ok, then, where should I be? My main objection is to the attack on any sort of Vivekananda-esque pro-Hindu group as being Fascists–I really dislike what the Left has done to Bharat–and, my parents wouldn’t say this, but–please–this is why they left. They got a top-notch education in India–they left for economic opportunity, no (i.e., not allowed to flourish by the Left)? I don’t get along with my relatives in India anymore (my grandparents were awesome, but the aunties and uncles–puuuhlleeeze!), so, again, I’m a bad guy? I think not–I’m more into South Asia than most–I’m cooling my heels in Galle when I need a break from NYC.

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By: multitudinous but not mutinous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-227633 multitudinous but not mutinous Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:20:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-227633 <p><i>52 · <B>rob</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005576.html#comment227626">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>We are multitudinous!</blockquote> <p>send a letter to VHP chief. Tell them you, a member of VHP (a), see nothing wrong with non-Hindus eating beef, and that they should allow butcher shops to sell beef in India, and not ask for bans on cow slaughter. Treat this as a test-case to see if VHP is that accommodating of classical liberalism (the political philosophy, not in the leftist sense). Let me know what happens after. Given your political views, I assume you're for reasonable autonomy for all.</p> <p>the truth, rob, is that you would not be hanging out with these people in india. they won't see eye-to-eye with your cristal-swilling-clubbing lifestyle. they are not for heterogeneity, and your version of a rainbow VHP is misguided. yes, there are a variety of opinions among them, but there's definitely an end to that spectrum. and were you in india, you would definitely not be included in it. and i'm saying this with an entirely respectful stance.</p> <p>and please don't let the VHP/VHP(A) distinction be your fig-leaf.</p> <p>-portmanteau</p> 52 · rob said

We are multitudinous!

send a letter to VHP chief. Tell them you, a member of VHP (a), see nothing wrong with non-Hindus eating beef, and that they should allow butcher shops to sell beef in India, and not ask for bans on cow slaughter. Treat this as a test-case to see if VHP is that accommodating of classical liberalism (the political philosophy, not in the leftist sense). Let me know what happens after. Given your political views, I assume you’re for reasonable autonomy for all.

the truth, rob, is that you would not be hanging out with these people in india. they won’t see eye-to-eye with your cristal-swilling-clubbing lifestyle. they are not for heterogeneity, and your version of a rainbow VHP is misguided. yes, there are a variety of opinions among them, but there’s definitely an end to that spectrum. and were you in india, you would definitely not be included in it. and i’m saying this with an entirely respectful stance.

and please don’t let the VHP/VHP(A) distinction be your fig-leaf.

-portmanteau

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-227632 rob Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:04:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-227632 <p>Look, I like and am proud of Bobby Jindal--my point was that his involvement with exorcism is not (and I respect his decision to become a Catholic) some sort of Abrahamic Sky-God v2.0 thing that has nothing to do w/ the Dharmic tradion(s).</p> Look, I like and am proud of Bobby Jindal–my point was that his involvement with exorcism is not (and I respect his decision to become a Catholic) some sort of Abrahamic Sky-God v2.0 thing that has nothing to do w/ the Dharmic tradion(s).

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By: happy new year to you too http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-227631 happy new year to you too Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:52:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-227631 <p><i>52 · <B>rob</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005576.html#comment227626">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>where that means most Hindus.</blockquote> <p>so most hindus believe in exorcisms? that's news to me. exorcisms are defintely not considered a mainstream ritual practice (usually considered quite distasteful or for the very poor who can't access any medical care or the very last resort for those maladies aren't cured by any other means, and who are desparate enough to try anything). i have no expertise on nepalese hinduism, and neither on the region you seem to be referring to where "most hindus" seem to practice exorcisms.</p> 52 · rob said

where that means most Hindus.

so most hindus believe in exorcisms? that’s news to me. exorcisms are defintely not considered a mainstream ritual practice (usually considered quite distasteful or for the very poor who can’t access any medical care or the very last resort for those maladies aren’t cured by any other means, and who are desparate enough to try anything). i have no expertise on nepalese hinduism, and neither on the region you seem to be referring to where “most hindus” seem to practice exorcisms.

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-227626 rob Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:17:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-227626 <p>LOL at "got functioning neurons"--just saw this--whatever--when did I say there's a Hindu pope? That doesn't mean you can't say "Hindus think x" where that means <i>most</i> Hindus. Give me a break. And, with all your "nuance" why do you view VHP-A members as so monolithic? We are multitudinous! I only joined b/c I'm sick of the demonization of any Hindu who is not on the Left. Anyway, Happy New Year. (Yeah, I'm syncretic like that!)</p> LOL at “got functioning neurons”–just saw this–whatever–when did I say there’s a Hindu pope? That doesn’t mean you can’t say “Hindus think x” where that means most Hindus. Give me a break. And, with all your “nuance” why do you view VHP-A members as so monolithic? We are multitudinous! I only joined b/c I’m sick of the demonization of any Hindu who is not on the Left. Anyway, Happy New Year. (Yeah, I’m syncretic like that!)

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By: rob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/05/race_and_statew/comment-page-2/#comment-227625 rob Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:09:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5576#comment-227625 <blockquote>Demons exist - whether they are in our own minds or in the minds of others.</blockquote> <p>Woot! Welcome back, Melbourne Desi!</p> Demons exist – whether they are in our own minds or in the minds of others.

Woot! Welcome back, Melbourne Desi!

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