Comments on: The Swinging Sounds of Goa: the 1960s http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Freesoultraveler http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-2/#comment-276332 Freesoultraveler Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:35:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-276332 <p>Thanks for sharing. It's pretty swinging..awesome!</p> Thanks for sharing. It’s pretty swinging..awesome!

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By: VICTOR D RODRIGUES http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-2/#comment-246068 VICTOR D RODRIGUES Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:19:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-246068 <p>Its no doubt Chris Perry & Lorna spurted the beginning of the Goan Portuguese music influence in India. credit is also due to to Frank who made such lovely movies like Amche Noxib & Nirmonn and added his lilting music to the lyrics of C Alvarez. Antonette, Betty Naz, Alfred rose, Joe Rose to name a few. The Goan music talent literally ruled the roost of the Bollywood movie industry. Young talents like Remo Fernandes took it to a newer zeniths of appreciation. GOAN MUSIC HAS LITERALLY COME OF AGE.</p> <p>Victor D. Rodrigues, Houston, Teaxs, USA</p> Its no doubt Chris Perry & Lorna spurted the beginning of the Goan Portuguese music influence in India. credit is also due to to Frank who made such lovely movies like Amche Noxib & Nirmonn and added his lilting music to the lyrics of C Alvarez. Antonette, Betty Naz, Alfred rose, Joe Rose to name a few. The Goan music talent literally ruled the roost of the Bollywood movie industry. Young talents like Remo Fernandes took it to a newer zeniths of appreciation. GOAN MUSIC HAS LITERALLY COME OF AGE.

Victor D. Rodrigues, Houston, Teaxs, USA

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By: Ramesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-2/#comment-226787 Ramesh Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:18:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-226787 <p>What the Feni - The feeling is mutual. You missed the point behind my posts. Anyways, Peace !!</p> What the Feni – The feeling is mutual. You missed the point behind my posts. Anyways, Peace !!

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By: WTF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-2/#comment-226697 WTF Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:24:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-226697 <p>I think as usual you missed the point. I think there is a prejudicial sentiment to your posts here that has nothing to do with your concern for proper scripts used in Konkani. You have some sort of axe to grind with Goans and from your reference to Roman script and I seems to stems from some sort of exclusionary views of what is Indian and what isn't.</p> I think as usual you missed the point. I think there is a prejudicial sentiment to your posts here that has nothing to do with your concern for proper scripts used in Konkani. You have some sort of axe to grind with Goans and from your reference to Roman script and I seems to stems from some sort of exclusionary views of what is Indian and what isn’t.

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By: Ramesh - the troll http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-2/#comment-226686 Ramesh - the troll Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:36:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-226686 <p>WTF said:-</p> <p><i>I think you gave yourself away with this statement. Seems like there are other issues at work with your antagonistic approach to Goans and Konkani. Everyone is entitled to air their prejudices, just don't expect many sympathizers here.</i></p> <p>Exactly. So suppose I'm Konkani and I write a letter to my Konkani friend in Kannada script. Poor him, doesn't know Feni from Vindaloo about Kannada and hence though being Konkani he does not understand what I wrote him. Get what I am driving at ? Any language has to have a common written script or else it is not a language-per se.</p> <p>And for what my doppelganger wrote:-</p> <p><i>it's not my 'goan konkani', and that wasn't the point, was it? you brandished something about konkani being a dialect, and cited grierson, both of which you did incorrectly. given that this has been an issue which some marathis thought was serious enough to agitate and get all pissy about (and your claim that "goans don't have a real language"), and given the other stereotypes ("goans are drunks") you were peddling even in the face of contradictory data that other people posted... it does make one wonder what your beef is. </i></p> <p>Grierson differentiated Goan Konkani from 'other Konkani' in that Goan Konkani is a dialect that originated in Goa. Its a dialect nevertheless.</p> <p>With this I end posting here. I started off saying that Lorna's song had disturbing lyrics and my prejudiced (I pointed this out myself) opinion about Goans was Feni, Folk and Fish. Regardless, if some guys are in Denial, let it be.</p> <p>Again, I only expressed my opinion on this public forum, and I reiterate that I respect the Goan community. So let me end it here and continue eating the pork vindaloo and biskoot ambado. Cheers !!</p> WTF said:-

I think you gave yourself away with this statement. Seems like there are other issues at work with your antagonistic approach to Goans and Konkani. Everyone is entitled to air their prejudices, just don’t expect many sympathizers here.

Exactly. So suppose I’m Konkani and I write a letter to my Konkani friend in Kannada script. Poor him, doesn’t know Feni from Vindaloo about Kannada and hence though being Konkani he does not understand what I wrote him. Get what I am driving at ? Any language has to have a common written script or else it is not a language-per se.

And for what my doppelganger wrote:-

it’s not my ‘goan konkani’, and that wasn’t the point, was it? you brandished something about konkani being a dialect, and cited grierson, both of which you did incorrectly. given that this has been an issue which some marathis thought was serious enough to agitate and get all pissy about (and your claim that “goans don’t have a real language”), and given the other stereotypes (“goans are drunks”) you were peddling even in the face of contradictory data that other people posted… it does make one wonder what your beef is.

Grierson differentiated Goan Konkani from ‘other Konkani’ in that Goan Konkani is a dialect that originated in Goa. Its a dialect nevertheless.

With this I end posting here. I started off saying that Lorna’s song had disturbing lyrics and my prejudiced (I pointed this out myself) opinion about Goans was Feni, Folk and Fish. Regardless, if some guys are in Denial, let it be.

Again, I only expressed my opinion on this public forum, and I reiterate that I respect the Goan community. So let me end it here and continue eating the pork vindaloo and biskoot ambado. Cheers !!

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By: Whose God is it anyways? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-2/#comment-226685 Whose God is it anyways? Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:27:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-226685 <p>language comes from "tongue." so language is just a means of communication, not necessarily a system of writing. language can be oral or both oral/written or even gestures such as sign language. after all, animals have their own languages and they don't usually have a written script.</p> language comes from “tongue.” so language is just a means of communication, not necessarily a system of writing. language can be oral or both oral/written or even gestures such as sign language. after all, animals have their own languages and they don’t usually have a written script.

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By: ramesh made an oopsie! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-2/#comment-226681 ramesh made an oopsie! Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:11:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-226681 <p><i>54 · <b>Ramesh</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005571.html#comment226665">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>And does your 'Goan Konkani' has a script ?</blockquote> <p>it's not my 'goan konkani', and that wasn't the point, was it? you brandished something about konkani being a dialect, and cited grierson, both of which you did incorrectly. given that this has been an issue which some marathis thought was serious enough to agitate and get all pissy about (and your claim that "goans don't have a real language"), and given the other stereotypes ("goans are drunks") you were peddling even in the face of contradictory data that other people posted... it does make one wonder what your beef is.</p> 54 · Ramesh said

And does your ‘Goan Konkani’ has a script ?

it’s not my ‘goan konkani’, and that wasn’t the point, was it? you brandished something about konkani being a dialect, and cited grierson, both of which you did incorrectly. given that this has been an issue which some marathis thought was serious enough to agitate and get all pissy about (and your claim that “goans don’t have a real language”), and given the other stereotypes (“goans are drunks”) you were peddling even in the face of contradictory data that other people posted… it does make one wonder what your beef is.

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By: WTF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-2/#comment-226679 WTF Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:07:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-226679 <blockquote>even Roman like some Goans do. WTF !!</blockquote> <p>I think you gave yourself away with this statement. Seems like there are other issues at work with your antagonistic approach to Goans and Konkani. Everyone is entitled to air their prejudices, just don't expect many sympathizers here.</p> even Roman like some Goans do. WTF !!

I think you gave yourself away with this statement. Seems like there are other issues at work with your antagonistic approach to Goans and Konkani. Everyone is entitled to air their prejudices, just don’t expect many sympathizers here.

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By: Ramesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-2/#comment-226665 Ramesh Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:58:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-226665 <p>And does your 'Goan Konkani' has a script ? And could you tell me of any other languages in the world that do not have a script ? Perhaps Prof. Amardeep will like to correct me. Can a language be called a language without a script ? Maybe I'm wrong....</p> And does your ‘Goan Konkani’ has a script ? And could you tell me of any other languages in the world that do not have a script ? Perhaps Prof. Amardeep will like to correct me. Can a language be called a language without a script ? Maybe I’m wrong….

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By: ramesh made an oopsie! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/01/02/the_swinging_so_1/comment-page-1/#comment-226634 ramesh made an oopsie! Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:07:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5571#comment-226634 <p><i>52 · <b>Ramesh - the well informed troll</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005571.html#comment226633">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Amitabh - shows how much informed you are really. Konkani for centuries has been called as a dialect of Marathi, even much before George Abraham Grierson declared it so.</blockquote> <p>you're not very well informed. goan konkani is recognized as an independent language, and is different from the konkani spoken in the konkan region of maharashtra, which is recognized as a dialect. if you actually knew your grierson, you would know that he explicitly made this distinction.</p> <p>looks like you are fighting the good fight of the maratha manus on all fronts, be it grabbing bottles from goans interested in shearing, or saying that they speak a pretend language.</p> <p>of course, there is no point demonstrating your ignorance when you proudly make statements like: <i>And all languages (to be called a language) need a script.</i></p> 52 · Ramesh – the well informed troll said

Amitabh – shows how much informed you are really. Konkani for centuries has been called as a dialect of Marathi, even much before George Abraham Grierson declared it so.

you’re not very well informed. goan konkani is recognized as an independent language, and is different from the konkani spoken in the konkan region of maharashtra, which is recognized as a dialect. if you actually knew your grierson, you would know that he explicitly made this distinction.

looks like you are fighting the good fight of the maratha manus on all fronts, be it grabbing bottles from goans interested in shearing, or saying that they speak a pretend language.

of course, there is no point demonstrating your ignorance when you proudly make statements like: And all languages (to be called a language) need a script.

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