Comments on: Tahmima Anam on the Bangladesh Elections http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: gopal ghosh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-2/#comment-241793 gopal ghosh Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:43:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-241793 <p>I was born in bangladesh and Ieft that country in July 1971. I am glad I did, we are better in India after some initial set backs. Muslims compalin about minority rights whenthey are in a non-muslim country,and yet they deny the same right to their own minorities. And in general, muslims are basically intolerant and violent people. Exceptions are there, but they are so small that their opinions hardly matter. No offence to muslims.</p> I was born in bangladesh and Ieft that country in July 1971. I am glad I did, we are better in India after some initial set backs. Muslims compalin about minority rights whenthey are in a non-muslim country,and yet they deny the same right to their own minorities. And in general, muslims are basically intolerant and violent people. Exceptions are there, but they are so small that their opinions hardly matter. No offence to muslims.

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By: Ikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-2/#comment-226379 Ikram Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:40:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-226379 <p>Old-Timer -- Yes, if the Pakistani elite culture filtered down so that Punjabi was as prevelant in Sialkot as the Langue D'oc is in, well, Languedoc, then Pakistan would be a linguistic nation-state like Bangladesh. Until then, Pakistan and India will both be centralized states with an elite language that is not the native tongue of the population. [But I think we are mostly quibbling over small things, now].</p> <p>Jyotsana wrote: <i> I have in debate utterly destroyed several human rights / progressive / oppressed / religion-caste blowhards through my this one publication. It also helps that I have spent weeks scouring through the archives, and have read the likes of Dhananjay Keer.</i></p> <p>Congratulations, Jyotsana. I wish you every success in high school debate. You may wish to focus a bit more on reading compehension, as that gets more important in 11th grade. Good Luck!</p> Old-Timer — Yes, if the Pakistani elite culture filtered down so that Punjabi was as prevelant in Sialkot as the Langue D’oc is in, well, Languedoc, then Pakistan would be a linguistic nation-state like Bangladesh. Until then, Pakistan and India will both be centralized states with an elite language that is not the native tongue of the population. [But I think we are mostly quibbling over small things, now].

Jyotsana wrote: I have in debate utterly destroyed several human rights / progressive / oppressed / religion-caste blowhards through my this one publication. It also helps that I have spent weeks scouring through the archives, and have read the likes of Dhananjay Keer.

Congratulations, Jyotsana. I wish you every success in high school debate. You may wish to focus a bit more on reading compehension, as that gets more important in 11th grade. Good Luck!

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By: Whose God is it anyways? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-2/#comment-226253 Whose God is it anyways? Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:16:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-226253 <p>dr dear, why so hot about it? i merely mentioned that you appeared to be the first person to use the word india ( in one of the first responses to this post) on a thread about bangladesh, which perhaps led to others referring to india. did i say you were wrong to mention india or that you didn't mention anything else? now, if ikram included your comment in his classification of the indo-centric comments on this thread, then i apologize to him for thinking that he hadn't.</p> <p>as for my shakha, my zulu king was generally considered more than up to par. uSuthu! uSuthu!</p> <p>it's only january 3. maybe you shouldn't waste the dreaded shakha suckerpunch on something so banal as my observations. i tried very hard to feel wounded, lest your barb be wasted, but as fate would have it, i was watching a movie and bent to pet the dog and it sadly missed its mark and fell into the dog's bowl. fear not, for for fear of upsetting the dog i quickly fished it out and hereby return it to you, rinsed and dried and all ready to be launched again. there's a full year ahead of spot-the-shakha-dweller , so be judicious with it lest it loses it sting and zing. Next time I might actually say something worthy of your slurs, so save it for then:)</p> dr dear, why so hot about it? i merely mentioned that you appeared to be the first person to use the word india ( in one of the first responses to this post) on a thread about bangladesh, which perhaps led to others referring to india. did i say you were wrong to mention india or that you didn’t mention anything else? now, if ikram included your comment in his classification of the indo-centric comments on this thread, then i apologize to him for thinking that he hadn’t.

as for my shakha, my zulu king was generally considered more than up to par. uSuthu! uSuthu!

it’s only january 3. maybe you shouldn’t waste the dreaded shakha suckerpunch on something so banal as my observations. i tried very hard to feel wounded, lest your barb be wasted, but as fate would have it, i was watching a movie and bent to pet the dog and it sadly missed its mark and fell into the dog’s bowl. fear not, for for fear of upsetting the dog i quickly fished it out and hereby return it to you, rinsed and dried and all ready to be launched again. there’s a full year ahead of spot-the-shakha-dweller , so be judicious with it lest it loses it sting and zing. Next time I might actually say something worthy of your slurs, so save it for then:)

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By: BatouLikesSakura http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-2/#comment-226241 BatouLikesSakura Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:16:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-226241 <p>Jyotsana- thank you for bringing some semblance of balance through your comment#50.</p> <p>Nambiar</p> Jyotsana- thank you for bringing some semblance of balance through your comment#50.

Nambiar

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By: dr amonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-2/#comment-226230 dr amonymous Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:47:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-226230 <p><i>49 · <b>Whose God is it anyways?</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005570.html#comment226199">said</a></i></p> <blockquote> if i'm not mistaken, it was dr. anonymous in #3 who first mentioned india in relation to this post, and he specifically linked india to affecting bangladesh (hindutva influencing islamism), not the other way round. </blockquote> <p>What I actually said in #3:</p> <p>"On Islamism - the best way to reduce islamism in Bangladesh is probably to reduce Hindutva and Islamism / anti-Indian sentiment in India and Pakistan respectively, and more broadly the global idiocy that countries like the U.S. and Israel and "leaders" like Ahmedinejad pursue."</p> <p>I leave it to others to figure out how you and other commenters got from what I said (elaborated in #14 as well) to what you thought I said. Presumably either one-track minds or a complete lack of reading comprehension. Was your shakha not up to par?</p> 49 · Whose God is it anyways? said

if i’m not mistaken, it was dr. anonymous in #3 who first mentioned india in relation to this post, and he specifically linked india to affecting bangladesh (hindutva influencing islamism), not the other way round.

What I actually said in #3:

“On Islamism – the best way to reduce islamism in Bangladesh is probably to reduce Hindutva and Islamism / anti-Indian sentiment in India and Pakistan respectively, and more broadly the global idiocy that countries like the U.S. and Israel and “leaders” like Ahmedinejad pursue.”

I leave it to others to figure out how you and other commenters got from what I said (elaborated in #14 as well) to what you thought I said. Presumably either one-track minds or a complete lack of reading comprehension. Was your shakha not up to par?

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By: Baingandabhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-2/#comment-226225 Baingandabhartha Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:11:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-226225 <p>Ponniyen are u Arnab-no wait u are another jack@$$ like him The massacre of Sikhs in delhi was not done by some random antisocial elements. Ulloo da pattha!</p> Ponniyen are u Arnab-no wait u are another jack@$$ like him The massacre of Sikhs in delhi was not done by some random antisocial elements. Ulloo da pattha!

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-2/#comment-226213 Ponniyin Selvan Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:43:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-226213 <blockquote>Out of curiosity, do you believe that Congress leaders were complicit in the Anti-Sikh pogram in Delhi? Also do you think they were as complicit as Modi or more or less (I know you dont think that Modi was complicit in Gujarat) </blockquote> <p>I don't know much about the complicity of Congress leaders in the anti-Sikh violence. As I said I was a little kid and was more interested in the prudential world cup cricket win than anything else.</p> <p>Generally, I have seen that anti social elements take advantage of similar situations to plunder the various shops and indulge in looting. Police can goto only so many places. I don't think Rajiv Gandhi is in anyway involved with the violence.</p> Out of curiosity, do you believe that Congress leaders were complicit in the Anti-Sikh pogram in Delhi? Also do you think they were as complicit as Modi or more or less (I know you dont think that Modi was complicit in Gujarat)

I don’t know much about the complicity of Congress leaders in the anti-Sikh violence. As I said I was a little kid and was more interested in the prudential world cup cricket win than anything else.

Generally, I have seen that anti social elements take advantage of similar situations to plunder the various shops and indulge in looting. Police can goto only so many places. I don’t think Rajiv Gandhi is in anyway involved with the violence.

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By: Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-2/#comment-226207 Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:25:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-226207 <p>Ponniyin Selvan: Out of curiosity, do you believe that Congress leaders were complicit in the Anti-Sikh pogram in Delhi? Also do you think they were as complicit as Modi or more or less (I know you dont think that Modi was complicit in Gujarat)</p> Ponniyin Selvan: Out of curiosity, do you believe that Congress leaders were complicit in the Anti-Sikh pogram in Delhi? Also do you think they were as complicit as Modi or more or less (I know you dont think that Modi was complicit in Gujarat)

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-2/#comment-226205 Ponniyin Selvan Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:53:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-226205 <blockquote>Whats amazing is that instead of Rajiv Gandhi getting shunned in elections for his callous disregard of human life and implicit condoning of the anti-Sikh pogrom, the Sikh blood lusting Indian populace elected him with a Reagan in 84 like mandate. </blockquote> <p>I don't know I'd call that Sikh blood lusting Indian populace. I was a small kid and 84 elections was the first one I vaguely remember. It was the death of Indira Gandhi that made the headlines and I came to know about Sikh massacres only years later. Remember that was when the only outlet was the state controlled Doordarshan and I don't remember much on the main newspapers either.</p> <p>Moreover, I can guess people were afraid of the various bombs that exploded in Delhi buses and selective killings of Hindus in Punjab by the Khalistanis.</p> Whats amazing is that instead of Rajiv Gandhi getting shunned in elections for his callous disregard of human life and implicit condoning of the anti-Sikh pogrom, the Sikh blood lusting Indian populace elected him with a Reagan in 84 like mandate.

I don’t know I’d call that Sikh blood lusting Indian populace. I was a small kid and 84 elections was the first one I vaguely remember. It was the death of Indira Gandhi that made the headlines and I came to know about Sikh massacres only years later. Remember that was when the only outlet was the state controlled Doordarshan and I don’t remember much on the main newspapers either.

Moreover, I can guess people were afraid of the various bombs that exploded in Delhi buses and selective killings of Hindus in Punjab by the Khalistanis.

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/31/tahmima_anam_on/comment-page-1/#comment-226204 Ponniyin Selvan Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:47:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5570#comment-226204 <blockquote>And what the heck is this Indian Civil Service?</blockquote> <p>It is the name that was used by the Brits. Ikram is using it to reinforce the India that we have now is the same as British imperialist India. BTW, IAS officers take orders from local politicians. and typically they learn the local language of the state where they serve in order to advance in their careers. It is funny to hear some of them speak in Tamil in the news channels. But I appreciate their efforts.</p> <p>Ambedkar is awesome and I have read his piece on Pakistan / Partition of India and admire his foresight. I believe this was written in the early 40s and when the decisions were made on partition, I think his advise was followed (by asking the non-Muslim representatives of Bengal and Punjab to vote for partition of the provinces). If only there was a peaceful population transfer as in the case of Turkey/Greece I guess things would not have turned this bitter.</p> And what the heck is this Indian Civil Service?

It is the name that was used by the Brits. Ikram is using it to reinforce the India that we have now is the same as British imperialist India. BTW, IAS officers take orders from local politicians. and typically they learn the local language of the state where they serve in order to advance in their careers. It is funny to hear some of them speak in Tamil in the news channels. But I appreciate their efforts.

Ambedkar is awesome and I have read his piece on Pakistan / Partition of India and admire his foresight. I believe this was written in the early 40s and when the decisions were made on partition, I think his advise was followed (by asking the non-Muslim representatives of Bengal and Punjab to vote for partition of the provinces). If only there was a peaceful population transfer as in the case of Turkey/Greece I guess things would not have turned this bitter.

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