Comments on: Having to think twice about reporting a burglary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-226903 Harbeer Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:12:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-226903 <p><i>81 · <b><a href="http://www.doordesh.com" rel="nofollow">Jef Costello</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005555.html#comment226408">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Kaka, you either have a point to make or are just feeling lonely.</blockquote> <p>Bapu, you're "points" are nothing but a bunch of unsubstantiated conjecture, generalizations, and overwrought bluster. I'm still waiting for you to explain what you meant in <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005555.html#comment224930">comment 56</a>.</p> 81 · Jef Costello said

Kaka, you either have a point to make or are just feeling lonely.

Bapu, you’re “points” are nothing but a bunch of unsubstantiated conjecture, generalizations, and overwrought bluster. I’m still waiting for you to explain what you meant in comment 56.

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-226382 Harbeer Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:32:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-226382 <p><i>79 · <b><a href="http://www.doordesh.com" rel="nofollow">Jef Costello</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005555.html#comment225612">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Hyperbole for Harbeer ...</blockquote> <p>Enough hyperbole already, let's have some <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOk81wyRpI&feature=PlayList&p=A3B0A5E6E4B7E0DB&index=0&playnext=1">hyper boliaan</a>!</p> <p>(Though I wouldn't necessarily characterize #79 as <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole">hyperbole</a>...it's more like some kind of lame attempt at being snarky.)</p> 79 · Jef Costello said

Hyperbole for Harbeer …

Enough hyperbole already, let’s have some hyper boliaan!

(Though I wouldn’t necessarily characterize #79 as hyperbole…it’s more like some kind of lame attempt at being snarky.)

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By: Alex http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-225526 Alex Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:05:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-225526 <p>white cops in texas...do you really expect them to act any different.</p> <p>Research how black people have been treated in Texas and this event will seem like the cops where actually very nice.</p> white cops in texas…do you really expect them to act any different.

Research how black people have been treated in Texas and this event will seem like the cops where actually very nice.

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By: Canadian South Asian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-225305 Canadian South Asian Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:31:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-225305 <p>This is one of my greatest fear of most Americans - they feel and act as if they know a lot, but actually don't. An arrogant person who is also ignorant is the most dangerous person in the world.</p> This is one of my greatest fear of most Americans – they feel and act as if they know a lot, but actually don’t. An arrogant person who is also ignorant is the most dangerous person in the world.

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By: SannuKi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-225266 SannuKi Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:49:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-225266 <p>hmmm, I dont know about this one... I would wait to see where the evidence falls. With that said, If my feeling turns out not to be true, hopefuly there would be punitive action. But I dont like the idea of 74 about turbaned sikhs being on the force.... Whats the qualification ? Why all ethnicities must be represented in police force weather or not they have qualification or not. I also find my self in agreement with the minority position here which is possession of a weapon infront of law enforcement is a stupid idea to say the least....</p> hmmm, I dont know about this one… I would wait to see where the evidence falls. With that said, If my feeling turns out not to be true, hopefuly there would be punitive action. But I dont like the idea of 74 about turbaned sikhs being on the force…. Whats the qualification ? Why all ethnicities must be represented in police force weather or not they have qualification or not. I also find my self in agreement with the minority position here which is possession of a weapon infront of law enforcement is a stupid idea to say the least….

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By: baingadabhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-225199 baingadabhartha Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:08:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-225199 <p><i>72 · <b><a href="mailto:rawsilk@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">Margin Fades</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005555.html#comment225145">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>From chron.com (Houston Chronicle online)- <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/6164783.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Next sheriff vows Sikh aid:</b> Garcia promises investigation into allegations against Harris deputies</a> The image of Sheriff-elect Garcia putting on a turban with the help of a Sikh gentlemen is most compelling...I hope he is able to transform attitudes during his tenure. </blockquote> <p>Hate to be pedantic, but the guy is putting on a bandanna. NOT a turban.</p> 72 · Margin Fades said

From chron.com (Houston Chronicle online)- Next sheriff vows Sikh aid: Garcia promises investigation into allegations against Harris deputies The image of Sheriff-elect Garcia putting on a turban with the help of a Sikh gentlemen is most compelling…I hope he is able to transform attitudes during his tenure.

Hate to be pedantic, but the guy is putting on a bandanna. NOT a turban.

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By: Margin Fades http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-225145 Margin Fades Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:55:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-225145 <p>From chron.com (Houston Chronicle online)-</p> <p><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/religion/6164783.html"><b>Next sheriff vows Sikh aid:</b> Garcia promises investigation into allegations against Harris deputies</a></p> <p>The image of Sheriff-elect Garcia putting on a turban with the help of a Sikh gentlemen is most compelling...I hope he is able to transform attitudes during his tenure.</p> From chron.com (Houston Chronicle online)-

Next sheriff vows Sikh aid: Garcia promises investigation into allegations against Harris deputies

The image of Sheriff-elect Garcia putting on a turban with the help of a Sikh gentlemen is most compelling…I hope he is able to transform attitudes during his tenure.

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By: amreekandesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-225039 amreekandesi Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:07:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-225039 <p>This news coming on the heels of this incident where an airline pilot <a href="http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080074195">forced </a>three eminent sikh singers off his plane!</p> This news coming on the heels of this incident where an airline pilot forced three eminent sikh singers off his plane!

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By: General_guy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-225005 General_guy Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:05:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-225005 <p><i>38 · <b>sizzle</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005555.html#comment224793">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>once i was standing in a crowd of spectators after a big sporting event, a fair distance from some commotion and celebratory riots. </blockquote> <p>Where was this: State College PA? or West Virginia?</p> 38 · sizzle said

once i was standing in a crowd of spectators after a big sporting event, a fair distance from some commotion and celebratory riots.

Where was this: State College PA? or West Virginia?

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By: Mary Mary Not Contrary http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/12/11/having_to_think/comment-page-2/#comment-224949 Mary Mary Not Contrary Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:42:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5555#comment-224949 <p><i>46 · <b>Divya</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005555.html#comment224810">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><blockquote>So, even if I am not Sikh, even if I am not desi, even if I don't care about Sikhs or Muslims or social justice, even if I am totally and completely 100% selfish, I still have an interest in seeing the police officers in question disciplined for this incident.</blockquote> This is a good way to put such incidents in perspective. Even if this was white on white or black on black injustice, it is injustice nevertheless. This part of the equation tends to get lost when religion and ethnicity are discussed. It's hard to leave these factors out of this discussion of course since they are relevant to the case, but I think it tends to obscure the larger point about the injustice. </blockquote> <p>Thanks Divya. Although the situation isn't completely similar, I am thinking of Abhijit Mahato's murderer, who went on to kill Eve Carson about a month later. Due to typical media bias Eve Carson got more attention - blonde, white, young, and a student body president - and I don't place one tragedy above the other, but if Mahato's death had gotten the same urgency and outrage, maybe Carson would still be alive. (Um, and I'm not trying to imply the argument that "we have to stop people who hurt desis before they hurt WHITE PEOPLE!!" - just saying that it is ultimately self-defeating for a society to make excuses when police officers screw up this badly.)</p> 46 · Divya said

So, even if I am not Sikh, even if I am not desi, even if I don’t care about Sikhs or Muslims or social justice, even if I am totally and completely 100% selfish, I still have an interest in seeing the police officers in question disciplined for this incident.
This is a good way to put such incidents in perspective. Even if this was white on white or black on black injustice, it is injustice nevertheless. This part of the equation tends to get lost when religion and ethnicity are discussed. It’s hard to leave these factors out of this discussion of course since they are relevant to the case, but I think it tends to obscure the larger point about the injustice.

Thanks Divya. Although the situation isn’t completely similar, I am thinking of Abhijit Mahato’s murderer, who went on to kill Eve Carson about a month later. Due to typical media bias Eve Carson got more attention – blonde, white, young, and a student body president – and I don’t place one tragedy above the other, but if Mahato’s death had gotten the same urgency and outrage, maybe Carson would still be alive. (Um, and I’m not trying to imply the argument that “we have to stop people who hurt desis before they hurt WHITE PEOPLE!!” – just saying that it is ultimately self-defeating for a society to make excuses when police officers screw up this badly.)

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