Comments on: Hustle Hard, Stack Paper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: umber desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-224284 umber desi Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:25:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-224284 <p>I was born and raised in Delhi and moved to Bombay in late 90s. For me personally Bombay is what you make of it, you can be miserable if you want as it is overwhelming but for someone like me, it was nothing short of welcoming. Bombay for me is people from all religions going to the Mount Mary church to celebrate the Bandra Festival and people from all religions celebrating Ganpati. Please don’t let anything that has happened stop you from visiting this lovely city.</p> I was born and raised in Delhi and moved to Bombay in late 90s. For me personally Bombay is what you make of it, you can be miserable if you want as it is overwhelming but for someone like me, it was nothing short of welcoming. Bombay for me is people from all religions going to the Mount Mary church to celebrate the Bandra Festival and people from all religions celebrating Ganpati. Please don’t let anything that has happened stop you from visiting this lovely city.

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By: PSU http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-223283 PSU Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:58:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-223283 <blockquote> <p>But yeah, suketu mehta's description of ppl running towards the explosion to help is very true, at least from my experiences. I remember when working in canary wharf (one of the less pretty parts of london in my opinion), a coughing fit in the office elevator resulted in everyone else taking a few step away from me. In bombay , my new neighbour heard me cough in the stairwell and came over with a thermos filled up with tulsi ka kadhaa to make sure I would get better soon.</p> </blockquote> <p>This is a general attitude difference between India and the West. In India, people are curious about new faces, are friendly to them, and try to help/know them. In the West, people turn away from new faces, or put up the invisible frost shield everyone seems to carry around. Then they complain about alienation and loneliness.</p>

But yeah, suketu mehta’s description of ppl running towards the explosion to help is very true, at least from my experiences. I remember when working in canary wharf (one of the less pretty parts of london in my opinion), a coughing fit in the office elevator resulted in everyone else taking a few step away from me. In bombay , my new neighbour heard me cough in the stairwell and came over with a thermos filled up with tulsi ka kadhaa to make sure I would get better soon.

This is a general attitude difference between India and the West. In India, people are curious about new faces, are friendly to them, and try to help/know them. In the West, people turn away from new faces, or put up the invisible frost shield everyone seems to carry around. Then they complain about alienation and loneliness.

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By: arati http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-223259 arati Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:59:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-223259 <p>I have grown up in Mumbai, South Mumbai to be precise. My dad was in the Indian Navy,and NOFRA the residential colony for Defence officers is located on the southern most tip of the city.So we were those mUmbai aberrations who lived in a sea facing 3 bedroom apartment but drove a Padmini Fiat. My parents are from Bihar, and no matter what mr raj thackeray says I will always call myself a Mumbaikar. For a girl born to bihari parents , life comes with fairly limited choices, but it was Bombay (now Mumbai) that told me that if your willing to put in a day of hard work I will take care of you, I will make sure you get home safe after a night out with friends, I will make sure you can have a great time whether you have 20rs to spend or 20,000! And I agree with SUketu Mehta when he says that this is a city you feel immediately at home in. It can be intimidating at first, but it makes some place for you.</p> <p>But the attack on the Taj has hit this city very hard. And some may say that why are we crediting an elitist estabilishment like that with more than its due. But the taj is not just about elitism, it is about the attitude that makes bombay different from any other city in the country. When Jamsetji Tata was denied entry into the Watson's hotel , since it was strictly 'Whites only', he decided to not sit on an indefinite hunger strike outside the watsons hotel, but build something grander instead. I think that set the tone for what Mumbai would become, a city of possibilities & opportunities....</p> <p>But yeah, suketu mehta's description of ppl running towards the explosion to help is very true, at least from my experiences. I remember when working in canary wharf (one of the less pretty parts of london in my opinion), a coughing fit in the office elevator resulted in everyone else taking a few step away from me. In bombay , my new neighbour heard me cough in the stairwell and came over with a thermos filled up with tulsi ka kadhaa to make sure I would get better soon.</p> <p>I am more than certain that things will revert to normal soon. Went to leo's a few days ago with friends, and all was normal xcept the longer route we had to take as causeway has been cordoned off. But I do wonder....that the very thin line that separates resilience from indifference , might just be wearing thin....</p> I have grown up in Mumbai, South Mumbai to be precise. My dad was in the Indian Navy,and NOFRA the residential colony for Defence officers is located on the southern most tip of the city.So we were those mUmbai aberrations who lived in a sea facing 3 bedroom apartment but drove a Padmini Fiat. My parents are from Bihar, and no matter what mr raj thackeray says I will always call myself a Mumbaikar. For a girl born to bihari parents , life comes with fairly limited choices, but it was Bombay (now Mumbai) that told me that if your willing to put in a day of hard work I will take care of you, I will make sure you get home safe after a night out with friends, I will make sure you can have a great time whether you have 20rs to spend or 20,000! And I agree with SUketu Mehta when he says that this is a city you feel immediately at home in. It can be intimidating at first, but it makes some place for you.

But the attack on the Taj has hit this city very hard. And some may say that why are we crediting an elitist estabilishment like that with more than its due. But the taj is not just about elitism, it is about the attitude that makes bombay different from any other city in the country. When Jamsetji Tata was denied entry into the Watson’s hotel , since it was strictly ‘Whites only’, he decided to not sit on an indefinite hunger strike outside the watsons hotel, but build something grander instead. I think that set the tone for what Mumbai would become, a city of possibilities & opportunities….

But yeah, suketu mehta’s description of ppl running towards the explosion to help is very true, at least from my experiences. I remember when working in canary wharf (one of the less pretty parts of london in my opinion), a coughing fit in the office elevator resulted in everyone else taking a few step away from me. In bombay , my new neighbour heard me cough in the stairwell and came over with a thermos filled up with tulsi ka kadhaa to make sure I would get better soon.

I am more than certain that things will revert to normal soon. Went to leo’s a few days ago with friends, and all was normal xcept the longer route we had to take as causeway has been cordoned off. But I do wonder….that the very thin line that separates resilience from indifference , might just be wearing thin….

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By: suadh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-223210 suadh Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:08:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-223210 <p>Does anyone more about this <a href="http://www.radiosalaamnamaste.com/Web/pages/prof-sadaf.php">moron</a> ? I'd admit that Dallas 104.9FM Radio Salaam Namaste is a place for latest Bollywood tunes and not for high minded political discourse still one would expect little common sense from the "Talk Show" hosts.</p> <p>This self confessed political junkie drew parallel between the "terrorism" involved in trampling death of a Wal-Mart employee on black Friday and the massacre in Mumbai. She went on to express her disgust with words like - Jesus Christ would be so disappointed that Christmas is making people do this.</p> <p>The funniest thing was this crap was immediately followed by callers affecting American accent saying that this Wal-Mart terrorism has terrified them and they are scared to shop.</p> <p>Maybe I have stumbled into the kayestha_lady</p> Does anyone more about this moron ? I’d admit that Dallas 104.9FM Radio Salaam Namaste is a place for latest Bollywood tunes and not for high minded political discourse still one would expect little common sense from the “Talk Show” hosts.

This self confessed political junkie drew parallel between the “terrorism” involved in trampling death of a Wal-Mart employee on black Friday and the massacre in Mumbai. She went on to express her disgust with words like – Jesus Christ would be so disappointed that Christmas is making people do this.

The funniest thing was this crap was immediately followed by callers affecting American accent saying that this Wal-Mart terrorism has terrified them and they are scared to shop.

Maybe I have stumbled into the kayestha_lady

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By: PSU http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-223138 PSU Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:55:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-223138 <p>And to conclude, <a href="http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn148/NTDWA/Braindamage.jpg">here is a really nice theory about terrorism</a>. Accounts for middle-east, Pakistan and the IRA, but not LTTE, ETA and Punjab.</p> And to conclude, here is a really nice theory about terrorism. Accounts for middle-east, Pakistan and the IRA, but not LTTE, ETA and Punjab.

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By: PSU http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-223128 PSU Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:19:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-223128 <p>Pakistan's has two possible futures, right in front of its eyes. One is Afghanistan, towards which it is sliding. The other is India, which it is trying hard to turn into another Afghanistan.</p> <p>The overall Pak strategy is idiotic, both literally and in the sense of the following quote:</p> <p>"Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."</p> <p>Pakistan has more experience managing Afghanistan-type environments, so their plan is to turn all of South Asia into an Afghanistan, and then rule it using their experience. In general, this is what all bullies and terrorists try to do. They are not successful competing in meritocracies, so they try to break down society to bare knuckles living, where they have a better chance of reigning supreme.</p> <p>Really bad losers.</p> Pakistan’s has two possible futures, right in front of its eyes. One is Afghanistan, towards which it is sliding. The other is India, which it is trying hard to turn into another Afghanistan.

The overall Pak strategy is idiotic, both literally and in the sense of the following quote:

“Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

Pakistan has more experience managing Afghanistan-type environments, so their plan is to turn all of South Asia into an Afghanistan, and then rule it using their experience. In general, this is what all bullies and terrorists try to do. They are not successful competing in meritocracies, so they try to break down society to bare knuckles living, where they have a better chance of reigning supreme.

Really bad losers.

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By: otoh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-223084 otoh Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:31:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-223084 <blockquote>allow investors to build, build, build (more supply, reduces demand, which reduces the price).</blockquote> <p>sorry, i'm off-topic (albeit a rob-kinda girl): 1. building is a function of available land, which is ultimately very expensive in bombay. so no matter how free government policies are real estate in bombay is bound to be expensive. in any case, population of willing homeowners is increasing much faster than livable square footage. 2. real estate firms in india are probably pretty collusive (directly or indirectly). 3. building beyond a certain range is probably not a good idea; a sustainable city has to have adequate inratsructure in place to accommodate its inhabitants. open or forested areas would be a nice bonus. bottomline: it is quite unlikely that real estate prices are going to fall in bombay. even abolishing rent control as a policy wouldn't accomplish that much at this stage.</p> allow investors to build, build, build (more supply, reduces demand, which reduces the price).

sorry, i’m off-topic (albeit a rob-kinda girl): 1. building is a function of available land, which is ultimately very expensive in bombay. so no matter how free government policies are real estate in bombay is bound to be expensive. in any case, population of willing homeowners is increasing much faster than livable square footage. 2. real estate firms in india are probably pretty collusive (directly or indirectly). 3. building beyond a certain range is probably not a good idea; a sustainable city has to have adequate inratsructure in place to accommodate its inhabitants. open or forested areas would be a nice bonus. bottomline: it is quite unlikely that real estate prices are going to fall in bombay. even abolishing rent control as a policy wouldn’t accomplish that much at this stage.

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By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-223082 Neale Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:29:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-223082 <p>If you haven't, watch the Pakistani Ambassador on Charlie Rose last night. There were some truly awkward moments.</p> If you haven’t, watch the Pakistani Ambassador on Charlie Rose last night. There were some truly awkward moments.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-223075 amaun Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:28:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-223075 <p><i>USA funded and trained the Mujahadeen of Afghanistan to fight the Russian communists and kick them out. Those men took what they learned from the USA, as well as the weapons and formed the Taliban. Taliban later went into Pakistan and recruited supporters there. The rest is history.</i></p> <p>My take: USA funded and trained the Mujahadeen of Afghanistan through Zia Ul Haq of Pakistan. Arming the Pashtun Mujahadeen with the goal of wresting Afghanistan from USSR could give Pashtun nationalism a boost and breakup Northwest Pakistan. He used the money and raised more from Saudi Arabia to promote Islamisation on Pakistan's Afghan border. This tactic would keep at bay demands for a Pashtun nation, since Islamisation trumps tribal affiliation. The Islamic Pashtuns later became the Taliban. Part of the funds were diverted to the Indian border to foment the Sikh separatist movement. The seeds for the terrorist outfits in Azad Kashmir rebellion were also started at this time.</p> USA funded and trained the Mujahadeen of Afghanistan to fight the Russian communists and kick them out. Those men took what they learned from the USA, as well as the weapons and formed the Taliban. Taliban later went into Pakistan and recruited supporters there. The rest is history.

My take: USA funded and trained the Mujahadeen of Afghanistan through Zia Ul Haq of Pakistan. Arming the Pashtun Mujahadeen with the goal of wresting Afghanistan from USSR could give Pashtun nationalism a boost and breakup Northwest Pakistan. He used the money and raised more from Saudi Arabia to promote Islamisation on Pakistan’s Afghan border. This tactic would keep at bay demands for a Pashtun nation, since Islamisation trumps tribal affiliation. The Islamic Pashtuns later became the Taliban. Part of the funds were diverted to the Indian border to foment the Sikh separatist movement. The seeds for the terrorist outfits in Azad Kashmir rebellion were also started at this time.

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By: bzuh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/30/hustle_hard_sta_1/comment-page-3/#comment-223074 bzuh Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:16:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5539#comment-223074 <p>I'm not a fan of Bush, but the big mistake he made was a) starting the Iraq war for the sake of oil, and b) never catching that jackass Osama.</p> I’m not a fan of Bush, but the big mistake he made was a) starting the Iraq war for the sake of oil, and b) never catching that jackass Osama.

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