Comments on: Exactly the same except… http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: fab http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-222042 fab Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:24:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-222042 <p><i>17 • <B>Jogeshwar 6 Pack</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005530.html#comment221956">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>How do you know that every one of the votes that Mahendru lost was due to his name? Do you know that every voter who voted for the other candidate did so because she had an easier name, or might they have had other reasons actually related to qualifications?</blockquote> <p><i>14 • <B><A href="mailto:dr.anonymous@passtheroti.com" rel=nofollow>Dr Amonymous</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005530.html#comment221949">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Your argument boils down to whether about racism/unfamiliar foreign name can translate into flipping 30,000 votes or so (which would put him about where most of the other Democratic candidates were) in a race that most voters probbaly didn't pay much attention to--that's about 0.3 percent. And that's assuming that other factors didn't play any role (positive or negative - it could be that the effect was greater but he made up for it with a stellar campaign - or the opposite). So you can't really be very confident about this just based on these numbers.</blockquote> <p>For those who think the name is not conclusive, I would point you to the fact that Mahendru lost primarily in the <a href="http://www.election.co.harris.tx.us/Cumulative/cumulative.htm">absentee votes</a> - these votes given by people who mailed in ballots largely before his TV ads aired. His <a href="http://www.election.co.harris.tx.us/Cumulative/cumulative.htm">early vote and other poll numbers</a> were consistent with other Democratic contenders who won.</p> <p>Mahendru <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/falkenberg/6109563.html">outspent his opponent</a> and also outspent each of the <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/6097733.html">other Democratic contenders </a>for all the state district court races. See http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/6096937.html. If you speak to attorneys in Houston or read the Houston Chronicle you will see that out of the Democratic contenders he was one of the most, if not the most qualified contender.</p> <p><b>Lesson learned - Names do matter, but only up to a price point. </b></p> 17 • Jogeshwar 6 Pack said

How do you know that every one of the votes that Mahendru lost was due to his name? Do you know that every voter who voted for the other candidate did so because she had an easier name, or might they have had other reasons actually related to qualifications?

14 • Dr Amonymous said

Your argument boils down to whether about racism/unfamiliar foreign name can translate into flipping 30,000 votes or so (which would put him about where most of the other Democratic candidates were) in a race that most voters probbaly didn’t pay much attention to–that’s about 0.3 percent. And that’s assuming that other factors didn’t play any role (positive or negative – it could be that the effect was greater but he made up for it with a stellar campaign – or the opposite). So you can’t really be very confident about this just based on these numbers.

For those who think the name is not conclusive, I would point you to the fact that Mahendru lost primarily in the absentee votes – these votes given by people who mailed in ballots largely before his TV ads aired. His early vote and other poll numbers were consistent with other Democratic contenders who won.

Mahendru outspent his opponent and also outspent each of the other Democratic contenders for all the state district court races. See http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/6096937.html. If you speak to attorneys in Houston or read the Houston Chronicle you will see that out of the Democratic contenders he was one of the most, if not the most qualified contender.

Lesson learned – Names do matter, but only up to a price point.

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By: Ikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-222020 Ikram Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:30:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-222020 <p>Abhi wrote: <i>Just because a guy named Barack Obama can get elected President of the United States does not mean a guy with a name like that could win a city council seat</i></p> <p>M.J. Khan is on Houston City Council, representing Desi and Latino District F, and elected after 9/11. Would he have lost if he ran as "Masroor Javed Khan". Maybe. Who cares?</p> <p>Choosing to go by a name that is easier for your countrymen to pronounce, or one they are more familiar with, is not "selling out".</p> Abhi wrote: Just because a guy named Barack Obama can get elected President of the United States does not mean a guy with a name like that could win a city council seat

M.J. Khan is on Houston City Council, representing Desi and Latino District F, and elected after 9/11. Would he have lost if he ran as “Masroor Javed Khan”. Maybe. Who cares?

Choosing to go by a name that is easier for your countrymen to pronounce, or one they are more familiar with, is not “selling out”.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-222018 amaun Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:23:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-222018 <p>It is possible that the times are changing ... Here in a suburb of Detroit an American Muslim from India won one of 5 seats as a Trustee. This has traditionally been a very Republican district and still is, since McCotter was re-elected to Congress, although by a slimmer margin. <a href="http://syedtaj.com/">Syed Taj</a> did not make any attempt to disguise his name/accent. <a href="http://www.journalgroup.com/Canton/8724/3-newcomers-win-spots-in-canton-township">Here is a report on the results</a>.</p> It is possible that the times are changing … Here in a suburb of Detroit an American Muslim from India won one of 5 seats as a Trustee. This has traditionally been a very Republican district and still is, since McCotter was re-elected to Congress, although by a slimmer margin. Syed Taj did not make any attempt to disguise his name/accent. Here is a report on the results.

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By: rudie_c http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-221996 rudie_c Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:16:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-221996 <p>I just got a call from a call centre in india, “hello sir my name is Chip Harris”</p> I just got a call from a call centre in india, “hello sir my name is Chip Harris”

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By: Yo Dad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-221989 Yo Dad Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:13:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-221989 <p>From Abhishek you went to Abhi, and now you want to change it to Abe? As far as I am concerned you might as well go to <b>APE</b>, but please don't change the Family last name to Tripp. How about "340" or Tea Party ? ;)</p> From Abhishek you went to Abhi, and now you want to change it to Abe? As far as I am concerned you might as well go to APE, but please don’t change the Family last name to Tripp. How about “340″ or Tea Party ? ;)

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-221966 Manju Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:01:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-221966 <p>i've never westernized my name so i've stayed as true to the field negroes as al-Zawahiri. even better, i shortened it in order to be in solidarity with the trans-gendered. one day, hipsters will wear my face on t-shirts.</p> i’ve never westernized my name so i’ve stayed as true to the field negroes as al-Zawahiri. even better, i shortened it in order to be in solidarity with the trans-gendered. one day, hipsters will wear my face on t-shirts.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-221964 Manju Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:55:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-221964 <p>did sonia gandhi luck out or what? monica lewinsky has a shot in indian politics</p> did sonia gandhi luck out or what? monica lewinsky has a shot in indian politics

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-221962 Manju Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:51:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-221962 <p><i>21 · <B><A href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/" rel=nofollow>Abhi</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005530.html#comment221961">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I plan to run as "Abe Tripp."</blockquote> <p>very smart. in republican Tx, can't hurt to be associated with Linda.</p> 21 · Abhi said

I plan to run as “Abe Tripp.”

very smart. in republican Tx, can’t hurt to be associated with Linda.

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-221961 Abhi Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:49:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-221961 <p>I plan to run as "Abe Tripp."</p> I plan to run as “Abe Tripp.”

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By: ror http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/23/exactly_the_sam/comment-page-1/#comment-221959 ror Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:41:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5530#comment-221959 <blockquote>As much as we like to blast Piyush Jindal for his love of the Brady Bunch, he knows that in parts of the country the ends are going to justify the means for a bit longer.</blockquote> <p>What a ridiculous statement. Someone with Jindal's politics becoming Governor of Louisiana isn't an end that most 2nd gens wanted in the first place (including you), so I don't think in this case they would care whether the means are justified or not. And I doubt Jindal cares about any sort of racial integrity or about 'representing' the brown people except for when it comes to getting money and votes, so again, let's stop making excuses for Jindal. He 'sold out' a looooong time ago, not because he recently realized he had to make sacrifices for politics, as with R.K. Sandill.</p> As much as we like to blast Piyush Jindal for his love of the Brady Bunch, he knows that in parts of the country the ends are going to justify the means for a bit longer.

What a ridiculous statement. Someone with Jindal’s politics becoming Governor of Louisiana isn’t an end that most 2nd gens wanted in the first place (including you), so I don’t think in this case they would care whether the means are justified or not. And I doubt Jindal cares about any sort of racial integrity or about ‘representing’ the brown people except for when it comes to getting money and votes, so again, let’s stop making excuses for Jindal. He ‘sold out’ a looooong time ago, not because he recently realized he had to make sacrifices for politics, as with R.K. Sandill.

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