Comments on: The Rage of Cummings II: Economic Boogaloo* http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: WahBhaiWah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-2/#comment-221918 WahBhaiWah Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:00:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221918 <p><b>I find the fact that he is a Kashmiri pandit vaguely interesting but not at all relevant, in any way. Should we view or treat him differently because he is descended from a marginalized people? No one cares about caste in this country-- no one sane.</b></p> <p>You were dismissive about the fact that he is a Kashmiri pandit, maybe you don't care about marginalized caste Hindus 'cause they deserved it? or maybe you don't know much about Kashimiri pandits. Normally nobody would have cared that much about kashmiri pandits but they were driven out of their home state just because they were pandits and they are now living in refugee camps in their own country. I thought Americans root for underdog and what was this fuss Americans made and are making about Obama being the first black president.</p> I find the fact that he is a Kashmiri pandit vaguely interesting but not at all relevant, in any way. Should we view or treat him differently because he is descended from a marginalized people? No one cares about caste in this country– no one sane.

You were dismissive about the fact that he is a Kashmiri pandit, maybe you don’t care about marginalized caste Hindus ’cause they deserved it? or maybe you don’t know much about Kashimiri pandits. Normally nobody would have cared that much about kashmiri pandits but they were driven out of their home state just because they were pandits and they are now living in refugee camps in their own country. I thought Americans root for underdog and what was this fuss Americans made and are making about Obama being the first black president.

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By: sumithar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-2/#comment-221753 sumithar Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:30:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221753 <p><i>20 · <b>Uncle</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005523.html#comment221482">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>About rest</blockquote> <p>"...and that's your're right ..." I have somehow got used to seeing "your" being used in place of "you're" as in "your welcome" but can't say that I have seen the reverse before. Sorry, am cleaning up my daughter's English homework most nights, and couldn't pass this up :-)</p> 20 · Uncle said

About rest

“…and that’s your’re right …” I have somehow got used to seeing “your” being used in place of “you’re” as in “your welcome” but can’t say that I have seen the reverse before. Sorry, am cleaning up my daughter’s English homework most nights, and couldn’t pass this up :-)

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-2/#comment-221617 Manju Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:49:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221617 <p>an then there is the hiarious case of <a href="http://www.theledger.com/article/20081028/NEWS/810280301?Title=How_Did_Banks_Go_Wrong__Ask_One_Who_Profited">andrew lahde</a></p> an then there is the hiarious case of andrew lahde

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-2/#comment-221616 Manju Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:32:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221616 <p>i think one major problem, for those funds who bet right, is counterparty default risk. on top of that arbitrageurs (who don't really bet on the direction of the market) need leverage to make their biz profitable, but credit has dried up.</p> <p>So that leaves the directional players, most of whom are mostly long and therefore got whacked. ergo the redemptions.</p> <p>So at the end of the day its up to new directional players, bottom feeders like paulson who are betting the real estate market is going up. blackstone is doing something similar and of course this is exactly the type of market that results in a berkshire hathaway buying spree. old-fashioned buy low, expect it to go up in the log run, no leverage investing.</p> i think one major problem, for those funds who bet right, is counterparty default risk. on top of that arbitrageurs (who don’t really bet on the direction of the market) need leverage to make their biz profitable, but credit has dried up.

So that leaves the directional players, most of whom are mostly long and therefore got whacked. ergo the redemptions.

So at the end of the day its up to new directional players, bottom feeders like paulson who are betting the real estate market is going up. blackstone is doing something similar and of course this is exactly the type of market that results in a berkshire hathaway buying spree. old-fashioned buy low, expect it to go up in the log run, no leverage investing.

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By: umber desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-1/#comment-221612 umber desi Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:05:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221612 <p>see the last paragraph on <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5423/is_200710/ai_n21302035/pg_5?tag=artBody;col1">this page</a></p> see the last paragraph on this page

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-1/#comment-221605 Rahul Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:29:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221605 <blockquote>I read somewhere hedge funds are seller of almost 32% of all CDS, will post a link. This coupled with short sale ban, and huge September 30 redemptions magnified the problem.</blockquote> <p>Thanks. Would be interested in hearing more. I had so far thought the latter two were the big causes</p> I read somewhere hedge funds are seller of almost 32% of all CDS, will post a link. This coupled with short sale ban, and huge September 30 redemptions magnified the problem.

Thanks. Would be interested in hearing more. I had so far thought the latter two were the big causes

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By: umber desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-1/#comment-221604 umber desi Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:25:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221604 <p>I read somewhere hedge funds are seller of almost 32% of all CDS, will post a link. This coupled with short sale ban, and huge September 30 redemptions magnified the problem.</p> I read somewhere hedge funds are seller of almost 32% of all CDS, will post a link. This coupled with short sale ban, and huge September 30 redemptions magnified the problem.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-1/#comment-221599 Rahul Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:03:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221599 <p><i>46 · <b>umber desi</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005523.html#comment221596">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Is it tied to swaps because there are some hedge funds that are writing these swaps and as there will be more FI instruments failing they will have to pay up.</blockquote> <p>My understanding is that this is a relatively small number. Hedge fund exposure to cds isn't significant, per my understanding.</p> <blockquote>On the other hand there are funds like John Paulson's and Frontline that made money speculating (buying swaps) that these bonds will fail and made a killing when they actually did.</blockquote> <p>Yep, wasn't talking about the ones that bet right.</p> 46 · umber desi said

Is it tied to swaps because there are some hedge funds that are writing these swaps and as there will be more FI instruments failing they will have to pay up.

My understanding is that this is a relatively small number. Hedge fund exposure to cds isn’t significant, per my understanding.

On the other hand there are funds like John Paulson’s and Frontline that made money speculating (buying swaps) that these bonds will fail and made a killing when they actually did.

Yep, wasn’t talking about the ones that bet right.

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By: umber desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-1/#comment-221596 umber desi Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:55:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221596 <p>Is it tied to swaps because there are some hedge funds that are writing these swaps and as there will be more FI instruments failing they will have to pay up. On the other hand there are funds like John Paulson's and Frontline that made money speculating (buying swaps) that these bonds will fail and made a killing when they actually did.</p> Is it tied to swaps because there are some hedge funds that are writing these swaps and as there will be more FI instruments failing they will have to pay up. On the other hand there are funds like John Paulson’s and Frontline that made money speculating (buying swaps) that these bonds will fail and made a killing when they actually did.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/16/_the_rage_of_cu/comment-page-1/#comment-221592 Rahul Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:31:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5523#comment-221592 <p><i>34 · <b>Manju</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005523.html#comment221509">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>A JPMorgan risk-managment guy told me over the weekend thathe expects 70% of the hedge-funds to go under. So who is making $$ here? Is there an even sectreter level of hedgies who are on the other side of these credet defalut swaps?</blockquote> <p>i thought hedge funds were going under because of the ban on short selling forcing them to dump a bunch of their undervalued assets prematurely at firesale prices, so that their portfolios were balanced as they should be. and then the moment they dumped huge quantities in a spooked market, things became worse.</p> <p>i don't think it has to do with cds directly.</p> 34 · Manju said

A JPMorgan risk-managment guy told me over the weekend thathe expects 70% of the hedge-funds to go under. So who is making $$ here? Is there an even sectreter level of hedgies who are on the other side of these credet defalut swaps?

i thought hedge funds were going under because of the ban on short selling forcing them to dump a bunch of their undervalued assets prematurely at firesale prices, so that their portfolios were balanced as they should be. and then the moment they dumped huge quantities in a spooked market, things became worse.

i don’t think it has to do with cds directly.

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