Comments on: “Dim-Wit”: A.Q. Khan Goes Ballistic on Musharraf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221433 SM Intern Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:22:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221433 <p>I've banned and deleted a few commenters.</p> <p>We ban for handle-switching on the same thread. If you have something to say, be courteous to your peers and continue to use whatever "name" you have been using, vs. agreeing with yourself via a new handle.</p> <p>Additionally, this is an American blog. Accusing us of neglecting India and ranting about what that says about our "motivations"" will get you nowhere, when it's not our responsibility to post about India, its space program or whatever else. Find another blog to troll on.</p> I’ve banned and deleted a few commenters.

We ban for handle-switching on the same thread. If you have something to say, be courteous to your peers and continue to use whatever “name” you have been using, vs. agreeing with yourself via a new handle.

Additionally, this is an American blog. Accusing us of neglecting India and ranting about what that says about our “motivations”" will get you nowhere, when it’s not our responsibility to post about India, its space program or whatever else. Find another blog to troll on.

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By: LeVar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221410 LeVar Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:53:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221410 <p>p.s. You're a dim-wit.</p> p.s. You’re a dim-wit.

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By: LeVar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221409 LeVar Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:40:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221409 <p><i>13 · <B><A href="http://balala@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow>Vishal</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005521.html#comment221326">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Why don't i read anything about that on this site???</blockquote> <p>If you knew how to read, you <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005477.html">would</a>.</p> 13 · Vishal said

Why don’t i read anything about that on this site???

If you knew how to read, you would.

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By: saa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221406 saa Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:39:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221406 <p><i>16 · <b>sapna</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005521.html#comment221402">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>don't you think its shameful that india spends millions of rupees on sending a mission to the moon when millions of india's people are starving, without clean water, or access to health? why not fix problems on earth first?</blockquote> <p>Indian "Space" Research organisations job is not to build roads and give insurance to poor people. Is that what NASA is doing. If you have a problem with corruption in the respective Government department, show it at them. ISRO is using the funds "allocated" (less than 1% of GDP)to them in a smart way and doing exactly the stuff they should be doing. If only the other departments in the govt were half as efficient and smart as ISRO. Maybe you need to get more educated to understand the different jobs of different people. Meanwhile, why are you commenting here and browsing the internet when there are more problems on earth and possibly a lot of problems to solve very near you.</p> 16 · sapna said

don’t you think its shameful that india spends millions of rupees on sending a mission to the moon when millions of india’s people are starving, without clean water, or access to health? why not fix problems on earth first?

Indian “Space” Research organisations job is not to build roads and give insurance to poor people. Is that what NASA is doing. If you have a problem with corruption in the respective Government department, show it at them. ISRO is using the funds “allocated” (less than 1% of GDP)to them in a smart way and doing exactly the stuff they should be doing. If only the other departments in the govt were half as efficient and smart as ISRO. Maybe you need to get more educated to understand the different jobs of different people. Meanwhile, why are you commenting here and browsing the internet when there are more problems on earth and possibly a lot of problems to solve very near you.

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By: sapna http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221402 sapna Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:03:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221402 <p>"stupid pakistani scientists", vishal?</p> <p>what is the need for this lashing out and hatred, vishal?</p> <p>by the way, the topic of india's moon mission is not at all relevant to this discussion, so i'm not sure why you inserted it here, but since you have already started, don't you think its shameful that india spends millions of rupees on sending a mission to the moon when millions of india's people are starving, without clean water, or access to health? why not fix problems on earth first?</p> “stupid pakistani scientists”, vishal?

what is the need for this lashing out and hatred, vishal?

by the way, the topic of india’s moon mission is not at all relevant to this discussion, so i’m not sure why you inserted it here, but since you have already started, don’t you think its shameful that india spends millions of rupees on sending a mission to the moon when millions of india’s people are starving, without clean water, or access to health? why not fix problems on earth first?

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By: Priya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221360 Priya Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:10:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221360 <p><i>13 · <b><a href="http://balala@hotmail.com">Vishal [a troll whose comments have been deleted]</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005521.html#comment221326">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Stupid pakistani 'scientists' can't do anything themselfs. This so called father of paki nuclear program had to steal the nuclear technology secrets from Holland.They also got very heavy help from China in their development of their nuclear program. Just shows how stupid they are</blockquote> <p>An interesting account in this book - <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=PlfGGAAACAAJ&dq=Deception+pakistan">Deception</a> : Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons by Adrian Levy, Cathy Scott-Clark, Catherine Scott-Clark</p> 13 · Vishal [a troll whose comments have been deleted] said

Stupid pakistani ‘scientists’ can’t do anything themselfs. This so called father of paki nuclear program had to steal the nuclear technology secrets from Holland.They also got very heavy help from China in their development of their nuclear program. Just shows how stupid they are

An interesting account in this book – Deception : Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons by Adrian Levy, Cathy Scott-Clark, Catherine Scott-Clark

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By: akak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221333 akak Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:39:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221333 <p>the original has "kam-aqal" -- and i think sepoy's translation as dimwit is correct.</p> the original has “kam-aqal” — and i think sepoy’s translation as dimwit is correct.

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By: Sunny Kalara http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221252 Sunny Kalara Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:15:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221252 <p>The translation from the Pakistan paper "the News" is here http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=146201</p> <p>Chapati Mystry's translation sounds like a little sensationalized version of the translation by the News.</p> <p>The Chapati translation says that "by mistake Musharraf was promoted"; the News translates the same line as "due to the promotion procedures in the army Musharraf was promoted" Not the same thing.</p> <p>The News</p> <p>The most recent example of this is of our ex-commando/dictator, General Musharraf, who considered himself above the law and lord of all he saw. (Har daur mein insaan nay dhaey hain mazalim/Har daur mein insaan khuda banta-raha-hai.) But being intoxicated by power does not turn a human being into a demigod, even though he might forget that there are powers greater than his. (Zalimon nay samajh ye rakkha he/ Jaisay dunya mein ab Khuda hi nahin.) Turning a dictator into a demigod has always been facilitated by the fact that they surround themselves with sycophants. General Musharraf's formal education was no more than FA, and after doing some courses and due to the promotion procedures in the army, he managed to become army chief. It was nauseating to see him lecturing highly skilled people on subjects like economics, foreign affairs, power generation, agriculture, science and technology, higher education, subjects that he surely must have known nothing about.</p> <p>The rumor part about the ability to pull trigger seem to be absent in the News translation.</p> <p>Khan might have felt humiliated in 2004 when Musharraf treated him poorly, but that was the time when US wanted nothing more then Khan's head, at least Musharraf didn't sacrifice him.</p> <p>Not that I trust Bush or Musharraf for my news; I do believe that Khan, who seems to consider himself a demigod, did believe that the bomb was a muslim bomb and provided assistance to other muslim countries in building a bomb.</p> The translation from the Pakistan paper “the News” is here http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=146201

Chapati Mystry’s translation sounds like a little sensationalized version of the translation by the News.

The Chapati translation says that “by mistake Musharraf was promoted”; the News translates the same line as “due to the promotion procedures in the army Musharraf was promoted” Not the same thing.

The News

The most recent example of this is of our ex-commando/dictator, General Musharraf, who considered himself above the law and lord of all he saw. (Har daur mein insaan nay dhaey hain mazalim/Har daur mein insaan khuda banta-raha-hai.) But being intoxicated by power does not turn a human being into a demigod, even though he might forget that there are powers greater than his. (Zalimon nay samajh ye rakkha he/ Jaisay dunya mein ab Khuda hi nahin.) Turning a dictator into a demigod has always been facilitated by the fact that they surround themselves with sycophants. General Musharraf’s formal education was no more than FA, and after doing some courses and due to the promotion procedures in the army, he managed to become army chief. It was nauseating to see him lecturing highly skilled people on subjects like economics, foreign affairs, power generation, agriculture, science and technology, higher education, subjects that he surely must have known nothing about.

The rumor part about the ability to pull trigger seem to be absent in the News translation.

Khan might have felt humiliated in 2004 when Musharraf treated him poorly, but that was the time when US wanted nothing more then Khan’s head, at least Musharraf didn’t sacrifice him.

Not that I trust Bush or Musharraf for my news; I do believe that Khan, who seems to consider himself a demigod, did believe that the bomb was a muslim bomb and provided assistance to other muslim countries in building a bomb.

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By: viewer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221238 viewer Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:51:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221238 <p>Dr Khan is deperately trying to erase from our memory the huge humiliation that Musharraf orchestrated for him back in 2004 and to which he became an victim very easily and foolishly.</p> <p>However, I think it is too late now.</p> <p>He has shamelessly displayed, in front of all the world media, his true character of being a thief (the history of which can be traced back to the start of his career in Pakistan) and smuggler, to which we do not have even the tiniest doubt.</p> <p>By saying this I am not defending Musharraf.</p> <p>The cheap tactics of mud slinging, to which Dr Khan now seems determined to resort to, are hardly going to clean his past or, for that matter, are going to do further damage to Musharraf beyond what is done by the recent election in Pakistan.</p> Dr Khan is deperately trying to erase from our memory the huge humiliation that Musharraf orchestrated for him back in 2004 and to which he became an victim very easily and foolishly.

However, I think it is too late now.

He has shamelessly displayed, in front of all the world media, his true character of being a thief (the history of which can be traced back to the start of his career in Pakistan) and smuggler, to which we do not have even the tiniest doubt.

By saying this I am not defending Musharraf.

The cheap tactics of mud slinging, to which Dr Khan now seems determined to resort to, are hardly going to clean his past or, for that matter, are going to do further damage to Musharraf beyond what is done by the recent election in Pakistan.

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By: khoofia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/13/dimwit_aq_khan/comment-page-1/#comment-221219 khoofia Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:23:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5521#comment-221219 <p>Ow! Talk about a little knowledge being dangerous. I'm really quite mortified. Thnx for the pointer Ardy.</p> Ow! Talk about a little knowledge being dangerous. I’m really quite mortified. Thnx for the pointer Ardy.

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