Comments on: In Defense of Sonal Shah [Updated w/statement from Sonal] http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220916 Amrita Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:01:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220916 <blockquote>Everyone needs to calm down. I know the family well. They're the real deal - selfless service is their mantra. There are no "links" or "ties" to anything nefarious here. Sonal and Vijay Prashad were at a SAAN conference at U of Michigan together, he probably felt jealous of her getting so much attention as she wowed the audience and came across as very, very intelligent.</blockquote> <p>I know the Prashad family well. Self-promotion is in their DNA.</p> Everyone needs to calm down. I know the family well. They’re the real deal – selfless service is their mantra. There are no “links” or “ties” to anything nefarious here. Sonal and Vijay Prashad were at a SAAN conference at U of Michigan together, he probably felt jealous of her getting so much attention as she wowed the audience and came across as very, very intelligent.

I know the Prashad family well. Self-promotion is in their DNA.

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By: Rupal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220907 Rupal Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:18:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220907 <p>I've had the priviledge with working with her during a fellowship with Indicorps and on their staff.</p> <p>Sonal's commitment to humanitarian work speaks for itself. These accusations are a ridiculous attempt to smear her reputation. The Obama team has made a great choice, and again, Sonal's commitment to humanitarian work speaks for itself.</p> <p>I sincerely hope she keeps her distance in getting involved with these conversations.</p> I’ve had the priviledge with working with her during a fellowship with Indicorps and on their staff.

Sonal’s commitment to humanitarian work speaks for itself. These accusations are a ridiculous attempt to smear her reputation. The Obama team has made a great choice, and again, Sonal’s commitment to humanitarian work speaks for itself.

I sincerely hope she keeps her distance in getting involved with these conversations.

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By: Suzy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220903 Suzy Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:36:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220903 <blockquote>And your alternative in Indian politics is? Congress that killed Sikhs. Communist - Nandigram? </blockquote> <p>Your zero sum reasoning makes no sense. Every time somebody points out the horrific ideology of what certain extremist organisations do, actively and continually, in demonising and fomenting hatred which leads directly to violence right now, the reaction should be to talk about what can be done to oppose the hate mongering and extremism that they foment. Not to throw up your arms and say, well, XYZ have also done bad things, so what are you going to do about that? May as well let murderous fascists carry on their way unopposed forever then. It's a recipe for submission to a fascist, hate-mongering boot on the face, organised, in cadres, highly motivated, with a clear purpose to not only demonise and marginalise certain groups, but to see them persecuted and hounded as untermenschen, and only submissives to that creed should grin at the logic of it all, at the identification and confrontation of it all.</p> <p>I am glad that Sonal Shah has distanced herself from the ideology and politics of hatred and division. No doubt she will soon be on the list of saffron traitors and scum that the khakhi jackbooters compile and use as their revolutionary 'internal enemy' nuclear fission for constant derangement and motivation. Good for you, Sonal.</p> And your alternative in Indian politics is? Congress that killed Sikhs. Communist – Nandigram?

Your zero sum reasoning makes no sense. Every time somebody points out the horrific ideology of what certain extremist organisations do, actively and continually, in demonising and fomenting hatred which leads directly to violence right now, the reaction should be to talk about what can be done to oppose the hate mongering and extremism that they foment. Not to throw up your arms and say, well, XYZ have also done bad things, so what are you going to do about that? May as well let murderous fascists carry on their way unopposed forever then. It’s a recipe for submission to a fascist, hate-mongering boot on the face, organised, in cadres, highly motivated, with a clear purpose to not only demonise and marginalise certain groups, but to see them persecuted and hounded as untermenschen, and only submissives to that creed should grin at the logic of it all, at the identification and confrontation of it all.

I am glad that Sonal Shah has distanced herself from the ideology and politics of hatred and division. No doubt she will soon be on the list of saffron traitors and scum that the khakhi jackbooters compile and use as their revolutionary ‘internal enemy’ nuclear fission for constant derangement and motivation. Good for you, Sonal.

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By: bunty http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220898 bunty Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:00:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220898 <p>Amardeep,</p> <p>Usually your fan, but you really seem to have read another piece. Prashad only says she worked for google, nowhere does he specify .org or .com. Nor does that or the phrase "shined her corporate shoes" seem like part of a smear campaign. And how else can he introduce the confluence of VHP, modi and gujarat but by way of the anti-muslim pogrom? Also, his past correspondence with her family is a good reason for him to quote himself.</p> <p>Prashad's point is this: why did she not deny her connection to the hindu right when questioned in 2004? Any secularist would, with pleasure. Her ability to deny it now is compromised; she has too much to lose currently by such an association.</p> Amardeep,

Usually your fan, but you really seem to have read another piece. Prashad only says she worked for google, nowhere does he specify .org or .com. Nor does that or the phrase “shined her corporate shoes” seem like part of a smear campaign. And how else can he introduce the confluence of VHP, modi and gujarat but by way of the anti-muslim pogrom? Also, his past correspondence with her family is a good reason for him to quote himself.

Prashad’s point is this: why did she not deny her connection to the hindu right when questioned in 2004? Any secularist would, with pleasure. Her ability to deny it now is compromised; she has too much to lose currently by such an association.

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By: Mewa Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220897 Mewa Singh Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:59:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220897 <p>Confused,</p> <p>Not related to this particular post, but as an academic, than you should be most aware that <i>ad hominem</i> attacks are a central part of the academic game. You must still be grad student.</p> Confused,

Not related to this particular post, but as an academic, than you should be most aware that ad hominem attacks are a central part of the academic game. You must still be grad student.

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220894 Ponniyin Selvan Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:34:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220894 <blockquote> As best as I can understand it per Arundhati Roy the Taliban is just a back to nature movement that rejects carbonated beverages using particularly vigorous pyrotechnic displays. </blockquote> <p>he..he.. Did she really say that?. :-)</p> As best as I can understand it per Arundhati Roy the Taliban is just a back to nature movement that rejects carbonated beverages using particularly vigorous pyrotechnic displays.

he..he.. Did she really say that?. :-)

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By: Confused http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220889 Confused Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:42:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220889 <p>As an academic myself, I'm a little confused by the comments above. Making a larger theoretical point is indeed a valid pursuit. Using validated sources, facts and logic is considered fundamental to this pursuit. <i>Ad hominem</i> attacks, insinuations and invented "facts" aren't.</p> As an academic myself, I’m a little confused by the comments above. Making a larger theoretical point is indeed a valid pursuit. Using validated sources, facts and logic is considered fundamental to this pursuit. Ad hominem attacks, insinuations and invented “facts” aren’t.

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By: Mewa Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220888 Mewa Singh Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:35:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220888 <p><b>I completely agree with you Buster.</b></p> <p>The terms of Vijay's piece is that of an academic argument trying to relate a certain broader context. At times in this attempt, the "microhistory" of actual individuals gets lost. Was Dr. Prashad possibly willing to steamroll Sonal Shah for his broader argument? Possibly...</p> <p>Amardeep was right to stand up for Shah, but as you stated, Amardeep also misrepresented and reduced Prasad's piece to nothing more than a "hit" and thus completely loses out on the broader argument Dr. Prashad is trying to make. Interesting enough, Amardeep is also an academic, so one would assume he would be more astute to the nature of these articles. Oh well, usually a fan of Amardeep, but not on this post.</p> I completely agree with you Buster.

The terms of Vijay’s piece is that of an academic argument trying to relate a certain broader context. At times in this attempt, the “microhistory” of actual individuals gets lost. Was Dr. Prashad possibly willing to steamroll Sonal Shah for his broader argument? Possibly…

Amardeep was right to stand up for Shah, but as you stated, Amardeep also misrepresented and reduced Prasad’s piece to nothing more than a “hit” and thus completely loses out on the broader argument Dr. Prashad is trying to make. Interesting enough, Amardeep is also an academic, so one would assume he would be more astute to the nature of these articles. Oh well, usually a fan of Amardeep, but not on this post.

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By: Mitesh Shah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220886 Mitesh Shah Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:18:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220886 <p>I dont see why this issue of Sonal being on the transition team of Presiden Elect and VHP is being linked together. I wish the Indian News papers (nee Times of India) would try to make sensational news just to boost their circulation. This is a prime example of jumping the gun with the reporters now a dyas. Not a single person has tried to contact Sonal and get her views instead they have put up a nonsensical issues in their paper. I just want to wish Sonal all the best and am really proud to have known her..</p> I dont see why this issue of Sonal being on the transition team of Presiden Elect and VHP is being linked together. I wish the Indian News papers (nee Times of India) would try to make sensational news just to boost their circulation. This is a prime example of jumping the gun with the reporters now a dyas. Not a single person has tried to contact Sonal and get her views instead they have put up a nonsensical issues in their paper. I just want to wish Sonal all the best and am really proud to have known her..

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By: long time reader http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/11/10/in_defense_of_s_1/comment-page-3/#comment-220885 long time reader Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:44:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5510#comment-220885 <p>Next: If an invitation comes: will she attend an RSS reception felicitating her in Sabarkantha?</p> <p><a href="http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov112008/scroll20081111100142.asp?section=updatenews">http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov112008/scroll20081111100142.asp?section=updatenews</a></p> Next: If an invitation comes: will she attend an RSS reception felicitating her in Sabarkantha?

http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov112008/scroll20081111100142.asp?section=updatenews

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