Comments on: Colin Powell has our back http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: bess http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219157 bess Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:44:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219157 <blockquote>Powell just views Obama as his best chance at redemption!</blockquote> <p>What's wrong with seeking to redeem yourself?</p> Powell just views Obama as his best chance at redemption!

What’s wrong with seeking to redeem yourself?

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By: Kev http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219155 Kev Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:29:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219155 <p><i>17 · <B>EvaBraun</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005472.html#comment219060">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>3. Lied in the Security Council to get UN approval for the Iraq invasion</blockquote> <p>Can’t forget the scene where Powell was waving a phony vial of anthrax in front of the world to justify the Iraq invasion. His complicity has led to thousands of deaths, and billions of dollars being wasted/stolen. While his words now are quite thoughtful and well stated, I cannot help but think Powell just views Obama as his best chance at redemption!</p> 17 · EvaBraun said

3. Lied in the Security Council to get UN approval for the Iraq invasion

Can’t forget the scene where Powell was waving a phony vial of anthrax in front of the world to justify the Iraq invasion. His complicity has led to thousands of deaths, and billions of dollars being wasted/stolen. While his words now are quite thoughtful and well stated, I cannot help but think Powell just views Obama as his best chance at redemption!

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By: RahulD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219129 RahulD Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:51:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219129 <p><i>24 · <B><A href="http://hardyharhar.livejournal.com" rel="nofollow">Harbeer</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005472.html#comment219093">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><I>18 · <B>RahulD</B> <A href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005472.html#comment219063" rel="nofollow">said</A></I><BLOCKQUOTE>While the implications of that statement aren't obvious, the racism of the author is overwhelming that I couldn't have written a more biooted post myself even with a dictionary handy.</BLOCKQUOTE> Oh come on, RahulD, believe in yourself like I believe in you. Never underestimate teh power of your biootry! </blockquote> <p>I could be polite...so I'm...isn't there a protest you should be at?</p> 24 · Harbeer said

18 · RahulD said
While the implications of that statement aren’t obvious, the racism of the author is overwhelming that I couldn’t have written a more biooted post myself even with a dictionary handy.
Oh come on, RahulD, believe in yourself like I believe in you. Never underestimate teh power of your biootry!

I could be polite…so I’m…isn’t there a protest you should be at?

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219128 jyotsana Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:11:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219128 <p><i>6 · <b>yabadaba</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005472.html#comment219035">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>However, lets imagine that Bobby Jindal has had the most transformative governorship in Louisiana's history. Lets say he fixed the roads, the levees and handled multiple hurricane event with comple competence. Lets imagine that hes standing for president when the other party has messed up big time and the country is in bad shape.</blockquote> <p>For that you would have to turn to a Democratic blog - the champagne of them - Dailykos.com. In a report of the recent hurricane its correspondents had nothing but praise for Piyush Jindal's management. But again it will depend upon which wing of the party Jindal aligns with. If he joins a Palin ticket, it would be a non-no, because that would be a clear lack or scuples, principles, and judgement. If Jindal joined a Romney ticket, that would be something else. If he joined, say, a Giuliani ticket, I would thik he isn't serious. He is Republican, and I am willing to reach across only so much and not further.</p> <p>As for Powell, it indicates he has seen the light, and understands or accepts that the McSame side has almost zero credentials on foreign policy and defense, and that is starting from the top, McSame himself, whose knowledge isn't worth a little more than what you can read on Time or Newsweek.</p> 6 · yabadaba said

However, lets imagine that Bobby Jindal has had the most transformative governorship in Louisiana’s history. Lets say he fixed the roads, the levees and handled multiple hurricane event with comple competence. Lets imagine that hes standing for president when the other party has messed up big time and the country is in bad shape.

For that you would have to turn to a Democratic blog – the champagne of them – Dailykos.com. In a report of the recent hurricane its correspondents had nothing but praise for Piyush Jindal’s management. But again it will depend upon which wing of the party Jindal aligns with. If he joins a Palin ticket, it would be a non-no, because that would be a clear lack or scuples, principles, and judgement. If Jindal joined a Romney ticket, that would be something else. If he joined, say, a Giuliani ticket, I would thik he isn’t serious. He is Republican, and I am willing to reach across only so much and not further.

As for Powell, it indicates he has seen the light, and understands or accepts that the McSame side has almost zero credentials on foreign policy and defense, and that is starting from the top, McSame himself, whose knowledge isn’t worth a little more than what you can read on Time or Newsweek.

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By: Zainab http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219115 Zainab Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:46:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219115 <p>I wish Powell had gently chastised Obama for not responding to the "he is Muslim" rumor with, "so what, even Muslims can run for President". [somebody once said that all four star generals are politicians.]</p> I wish Powell had gently chastised Obama for not responding to the “he is Muslim” rumor with, “so what, even Muslims can run for President”. [somebody once said that all four star generals are politicians.]

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By: Dr Amonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219099 Dr Amonymous Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:46:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219099 <p><i>6 · <b>yabadaba</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005472.html#comment219035">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I have beeen thinking about this all day today. Lets take for example Bobby Jindal. Many have said here before that there is nothing in common between us (in terms of values) and many have said they will never ever vote for him. However, lets imagine that Bobby Jindal has had the most transformative governorship in Louisiana's history. Lets say he fixed the roads, the levees and handled multiple hurricane event with comple competence. Lets imagine that hes standing for president when the other party has messed up big time and the country is in bad shape. Would we still have heartburn when we vote for him? </blockquote> <p>So you're asking "If we approved of the things that Bobby Jindal stands for and his actions and the results of his actions, would be have trouble voting for him?" Isn't this an obvious answer? Of course not.</p> <p>I would use very different standards than you though - Bobby Jindal might do all the things that you're suggesting, but until he repudiates homophobia, christian fundamnetalism, his own role in promoting social divisiveness, and his market fundamentalism, I'm not going anywhere near him except to articulately and clearly tell him what an a$$hole he is for siding pretty much entirely with the people who are in power rather than the people who are getting screwed.</p> 6 · yabadaba said

I have beeen thinking about this all day today. Lets take for example Bobby Jindal. Many have said here before that there is nothing in common between us (in terms of values) and many have said they will never ever vote for him. However, lets imagine that Bobby Jindal has had the most transformative governorship in Louisiana’s history. Lets say he fixed the roads, the levees and handled multiple hurricane event with comple competence. Lets imagine that hes standing for president when the other party has messed up big time and the country is in bad shape. Would we still have heartburn when we vote for him?

So you’re asking “If we approved of the things that Bobby Jindal stands for and his actions and the results of his actions, would be have trouble voting for him?” Isn’t this an obvious answer? Of course not.

I would use very different standards than you though – Bobby Jindal might do all the things that you’re suggesting, but until he repudiates homophobia, christian fundamnetalism, his own role in promoting social divisiveness, and his market fundamentalism, I’m not going anywhere near him except to articulately and clearly tell him what an a$$hole he is for siding pretty much entirely with the people who are in power rather than the people who are getting screwed.

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219093 Harbeer Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:05:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219093 <p><i>18 · <b>RahulD</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005472.html#comment219063">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>While the implications of that statement aren't obvious, the racism of the author is overwhelming that I couldn't have written a more biooted post myself even with a dictionary handy.</blockquote> <p>Oh come on, RahulD, believe in yourself like I believe in you. Never underestimate teh power of your biootry!</p> 18 · RahulD said

While the implications of that statement aren’t obvious, the racism of the author is overwhelming that I couldn’t have written a more biooted post myself even with a dictionary handy.

Oh come on, RahulD, believe in yourself like I believe in you. Never underestimate teh power of your biootry!

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By: Kimchi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219092 Kimchi Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:51:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219092 <p>It's about time. Of course, it's important to remember this isn't the only time during this campaign somebody made a deliberate move to reach out to Muslim Americans, it's the just the most well-publicized. There is at least <a href="http://www.votenader.org/media/2008/09/23/mosque/">one candidate who has visited a mosque and challenged Obama and McCain to do the same</a>.</p> It’s about time. Of course, it’s important to remember this isn’t the only time during this campaign somebody made a deliberate move to reach out to Muslim Americans, it’s the just the most well-publicized. There is at least one candidate who has visited a mosque and challenged Obama and McCain to do the same.

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By: SR http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219084 SR Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:57:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219084 <p>I think it was an amazing endorsement, not opportunism. I don't think he waited to see who was going to win. You could tell just by watching him it was a genuine endorsement and that he had struggled to come to his decision. I don't think he supported John Kerry because I don't think he saw JK as a transformational figure. I think it was very moving and hopeful and finally someone said what no one else has said during the campaign - that there is nothing wrong with being muslim in america.</p> I think it was an amazing endorsement, not opportunism. I don’t think he waited to see who was going to win. You could tell just by watching him it was a genuine endorsement and that he had struggled to come to his decision. I don’t think he supported John Kerry because I don’t think he saw JK as a transformational figure. I think it was very moving and hopeful and finally someone said what no one else has said during the campaign – that there is nothing wrong with being muslim in america.

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By: CMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/19/colin_powell_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-219079 CMF Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:32:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5472#comment-219079 <p>Agree with Eva Braun at #17. Also, if Powell is such an independent thinker, why didn't he endorse John Kerry against GWB? Oh, that's right, Powell is a Bush lackey (both Bushes appointed him in various capacities). He can't go against the hand that fed him and helped make his career.</p> <p>Perhaps, Obama is better qualified per Powell's standards, but this announcement strikes of shear opportunism.</p> Agree with Eva Braun at #17. Also, if Powell is such an independent thinker, why didn’t he endorse John Kerry against GWB? Oh, that’s right, Powell is a Bush lackey (both Bushes appointed him in various capacities). He can’t go against the hand that fed him and helped make his career.

Perhaps, Obama is better qualified per Powell’s standards, but this announcement strikes of shear opportunism.

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