Comments on: We’re Here. We’re Queer. We’re on Pioneer. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Têtunçois http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-220214 Têtunçois Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:29:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-220214 <p>If you are against marriage between black and white , you are RACIST If you are against marriage between gays , you are HOMOPHOBIC Vote NO to prop8 Vote NO to homophobia Vote NO to religious talibans in Afghanistan or in California !</p> If you are against marriage between black and white , you are RACIST If you are against marriage between gays , you are HOMOPHOBIC Vote NO to prop8 Vote NO to homophobia Vote NO to religious talibans in Afghanistan or in California !

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By: sk http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-219043 sk Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:16:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-219043 <p>hey that's my mom too! i'm vicariously famous now.</p> hey that’s my mom too! i’m vicariously famous now.

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By: Neha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-219027 Neha Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:58:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-219027 <p>Hey!!! That's my Masi!!!</p> Hey!!! That’s my Masi!!!

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By: anandjay http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-219022 anandjay Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:59:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-219022 <p>hey, that's my mom! i've been reading SM for years, and then lo, my mom calls and says to check the page. how funny. :)</p> hey, that’s my mom! i’ve been reading SM for years, and then lo, my mom calls and says to check the page. how funny. :)

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By: kusala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-219021 kusala Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:52:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-219021 <p>Taz, HUGE THANKS to you for representing this issue here on SM.</p> <p>Prop 8 has been really weighing on my mind lately -- I used to think "I don't care what you call it as long as the rights and responsibilities are the same on the state level" (ideally federally, too, but one step at a time). However, I've really come to believe that "separate but equal" in this case, as in all cases, is total bollocks and there is no reason that "marriage" should be reserved for heterosexuals but gays and lesbians should have "civil unions" (and do what, become "civilized" instead of "get married"?). People have such a hard time separating the idea of civil marriage from the religious ceremony in so many cultures and political systems, but I'm sick of this issue of semantics and people getting up in arms about "changing the MEANING" of a time-bound/honored WORD and "tradition." It's insane.</p> <p>I think one of the most painful things that the Prop 8 debate (and others like it around the country) dredges up is so much hateful rhetoric that has to be heard by LGBT people of all ages -- but especially impressionable young people and teens -- who are essentialy getting hit with a message that they are damaged, sick, "less than," and in short, UNEQUAL. I can only hope that the message is countered by positive feeback ... and most of all, NOT reinforced by the passing of Prop 8. The psychological impact of rhetoric and measures like this shouldn't be underestimated.</p> <p>Thanks again, and I can only hope that the SM community will see the light and vote NO on Prop 8!</p> <p>(PS: See also the overwhelming opposition to Prop 8 in the study you wrote about regarding Asian-American voting patterns -- I'd be curious to see a breakdown of those stats for South Asian voters.)</p> Taz, HUGE THANKS to you for representing this issue here on SM.

Prop 8 has been really weighing on my mind lately — I used to think “I don’t care what you call it as long as the rights and responsibilities are the same on the state level” (ideally federally, too, but one step at a time). However, I’ve really come to believe that “separate but equal” in this case, as in all cases, is total bollocks and there is no reason that “marriage” should be reserved for heterosexuals but gays and lesbians should have “civil unions” (and do what, become “civilized” instead of “get married”?). People have such a hard time separating the idea of civil marriage from the religious ceremony in so many cultures and political systems, but I’m sick of this issue of semantics and people getting up in arms about “changing the MEANING” of a time-bound/honored WORD and “tradition.” It’s insane.

I think one of the most painful things that the Prop 8 debate (and others like it around the country) dredges up is so much hateful rhetoric that has to be heard by LGBT people of all ages — but especially impressionable young people and teens — who are essentialy getting hit with a message that they are damaged, sick, “less than,” and in short, UNEQUAL. I can only hope that the message is countered by positive feeback … and most of all, NOT reinforced by the passing of Prop 8. The psychological impact of rhetoric and measures like this shouldn’t be underestimated.

Thanks again, and I can only hope that the SM community will see the light and vote NO on Prop 8!

(PS: See also the overwhelming opposition to Prop 8 in the study you wrote about regarding Asian-American voting patterns — I’d be curious to see a breakdown of those stats for South Asian voters.)

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By: StraightMale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-218961 StraightMale Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:23:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-218961 <p>Wow, that Gay Muslim Chick is hot !! If I were able to meet her I'd confess that I am a female trapped in a male body ;-)</p> Wow, that Gay Muslim Chick is hot !! If I were able to meet her I’d confess that I am a female trapped in a male body ;-)

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By: Fuerza Dulce http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-218925 Fuerza Dulce Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:56:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-218925 <p>Word, Sin, word. Like I said - I was quoting from a friend - my own beliefs are different.</p> <p>The sad thing is that in most religions at their purest there is so much beauty and love. People muck it up.</p> Word, Sin, word. Like I said – I was quoting from a friend – my own beliefs are different.

The sad thing is that in most religions at their purest there is so much beauty and love. People muck it up.

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By: Sin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-218883 Sin Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:14:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-218883 <p>As someone who--marginally--identifies as Muslim and is a raging homo, I've got to say, I think the two can be reconciled. One of the charms of Islam (in the raw, such as it were) is the fact that the notion of being Muslim and of following the faith is very much a personal relationship between yourself and your deity, with clerical mediation supposed to be minimal. Not how it actually works out, but no real surprise there...</p> As someone who–marginally–identifies as Muslim and is a raging homo, I’ve got to say, I think the two can be reconciled. One of the charms of Islam (in the raw, such as it were) is the fact that the notion of being Muslim and of following the faith is very much a personal relationship between yourself and your deity, with clerical mediation supposed to be minimal. Not how it actually works out, but no real surprise there…

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By: Fuerza Dulce http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-218850 Fuerza Dulce Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:06:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-218850 <p>My friend, who is very learned in Islamic matters, also added the following (I made him read this thread):</p> <p>"Yes, you CAN be a gay Muslim. A person is not cast out of Islam because of his/her sins. Unless he or she believes that there is nothing wrong with the sinful acts and says that the sinful acts are lawful in Islam. For example a person who fornicates and says, yes I fornicate. There is nothing wrong with it and Islam doesn't condemn the act of fornication. S/He has left the fold of Islam because S/he is corrupting the basic belief of the religion and s/he will never repent."</p> My friend, who is very learned in Islamic matters, also added the following (I made him read this thread):

“Yes, you CAN be a gay Muslim. A person is not cast out of Islam because of his/her sins. Unless he or she believes that there is nothing wrong with the sinful acts and says that the sinful acts are lawful in Islam. For example a person who fornicates and says, yes I fornicate. There is nothing wrong with it and Islam doesn’t condemn the act of fornication. S/He has left the fold of Islam because S/he is corrupting the basic belief of the religion and s/he will never repent.”

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By: la cage aux folles http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/10/14/were_here_were_1/comment-page-1/#comment-218849 la cage aux folles Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:00:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5465#comment-218849 <p>If you want to protect sanctity of marriage, how about a proposition banning divorce? After all, the vicious scourge of no fault divorces, which opened the floodgates for the destruction of the beautiful institution of marriage, was unleashed upon a pious and unsuspecting public by that great protector of family values, Ronald Reagan, when he was governor of California.</p> If you want to protect sanctity of marriage, how about a proposition banning divorce? After all, the vicious scourge of no fault divorces, which opened the floodgates for the destruction of the beautiful institution of marriage, was unleashed upon a pious and unsuspecting public by that great protector of family values, Ronald Reagan, when he was governor of California.

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