Comments on: “Sikh Stand-up Comic” in Newsweek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Nayagan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217272 Nayagan Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:21:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217272 <p><i>14 · <b><a href="http://www.thelangarhall.com" rel="nofollow">Camille</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005434.html#comment217196">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>he's not that funny</blockquote> <p>you nearly always hit the nail squarely on the head--i've heard from other quarters, notably ta-nehisi coates, that the worries over creating humor with a minority as the subject isn't nearly as challenging as some think (and the absolute requirement is that it be funny--if anything, that's why this guy may fail).</p> 14 · Camille said

he’s not that funny

you nearly always hit the nail squarely on the head–i’ve heard from other quarters, notably ta-nehisi coates, that the worries over creating humor with a minority as the subject isn’t nearly as challenging as some think (and the absolute requirement is that it be funny–if anything, that’s why this guy may fail).

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217259 Harbeer Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:57:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217259 <p><i>22 · <b><a href="mailto:watevz@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">watevz</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005434.html#comment217251">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>re: symbols.</blockquote> <p>It's semantic hairsplitting as far as I'm concerned. I was just trying to be funny. Trying... ;-)</p> 22 · watevz said

re: symbols.

It’s semantic hairsplitting as far as I’m concerned. I was just trying to be funny. Trying… ;-)

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By: watevz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217251 watevz Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:35:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217251 <p>re: symbols. i used the term because it was the most convenient and easiest for a quick comment. i know. thanks.</p> <p>next time i will go on a rant about "existential physical commitment" to one's "internal placement of worldview towards the divine." ;)</p> re: symbols. i used the term because it was the most convenient and easiest for a quick comment. i know. thanks.

next time i will go on a rant about “existential physical commitment” to one’s “internal placement of worldview towards the divine.” ;)

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217250 Harbeer Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:28:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217250 <p><i>19 · <b><a href="http://www.thelangarhall.com" rel="nofollow">Camille</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005434.html#comment217247">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I just think he's not particularly funny.</blockquote> <p>Agreed.</p> <p><i>20 · <b><a href="mailto:watevz@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">watevz</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005434.html#comment217248">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>i'm sensitive to appropriation of and misinterpretation of sikh symbols.</blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/archivedf/feature-feb2001.html">VEE ARE NAWT SYMBULZ!!!</</p> 19 · Camille said

I just think he’s not particularly funny.

Agreed.

20 · watevz said

i’m sensitive to appropriation of and misinterpretation of sikh symbols.

VEE ARE NAWT SYMBULZ!!!

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By: watevz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217248 watevz Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:18:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217248 <p>he's all right in my books. i don't know him, but i have read some of his other writing, which is more spiritually oriented, and also some of his creative writing, and he is firmly placed in exploring what it means to be a sikh, and humanizing the sikh experience to the rest of the world. i think his comedy is another exploration of this impulse, and i salute him for challenging the need to compartmentalize his sikh identity within a sacred box. definitely he can't say these things in a gurdwara, but i bet, from his own personal experience saying these things which run in his head frees him to say more what is interesting, what is tragic, and what is comical in his life experience. that's great.</p> <p>his comedy is alright, i definitely don't laugh my head off, but that's because i'm sensitive to appropriation of and misinterpretation of sikh symbols. but that's my oversensitivity from being sikh and seeing firsthand the negative repurcussions of misunderstanding on the sikh body, both individual and community. still, i don't feel threatened by his use of inappropriateness because he wears a turban and keeps his beard, so i know he is committed on a personal level and not about destruction of what is dear. if it were otherwise, i would interpret his message as self-hate/rejection. also, the space where he says these inappropriate things is a space of irreverence, so i feel like that is part and parcel of his craft. i look forward to seeing more of his comedy! keep at it narinder singh!</p> <p>and i'll give him this too. he's cute.</p> he’s all right in my books. i don’t know him, but i have read some of his other writing, which is more spiritually oriented, and also some of his creative writing, and he is firmly placed in exploring what it means to be a sikh, and humanizing the sikh experience to the rest of the world. i think his comedy is another exploration of this impulse, and i salute him for challenging the need to compartmentalize his sikh identity within a sacred box. definitely he can’t say these things in a gurdwara, but i bet, from his own personal experience saying these things which run in his head frees him to say more what is interesting, what is tragic, and what is comical in his life experience. that’s great.

his comedy is alright, i definitely don’t laugh my head off, but that’s because i’m sensitive to appropriation of and misinterpretation of sikh symbols. but that’s my oversensitivity from being sikh and seeing firsthand the negative repurcussions of misunderstanding on the sikh body, both individual and community. still, i don’t feel threatened by his use of inappropriateness because he wears a turban and keeps his beard, so i know he is committed on a personal level and not about destruction of what is dear. if it were otherwise, i would interpret his message as self-hate/rejection. also, the space where he says these inappropriate things is a space of irreverence, so i feel like that is part and parcel of his craft. i look forward to seeing more of his comedy! keep at it narinder singh!

and i’ll give him this too. he’s cute.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217247 Camille Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:14:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217247 <p>Harbeer, I understand Narinder's intent. I don't have strong feelings around whether he's "good or bad" for introducing the American public to Sikhs; I just think he's not particularly funny. Whatevs, he's young and working on it. :)</p> <p>Bada Bing, way to hyperbolize a rational comment in an attempt to derail the underlying argument. Using your logic, you only believe in "free speech" when it serves to undermine, ridicule, or slander a community group.</p> <p>Last time I checked, disagreement was part of the free speech process. A person can say whatever they want, but free speech also invokes great responsibility. A person shouldn't have to worry about death threats or censorship, but you shouldn't be surprised if there is critique, dissent, or argument, or if your views are decried. Free speech is about an exchange of ideas, not about wholesale acceptance of all viewpoints as equal or equivalent. You could come around and tell me the sky is green; if it's blue to me, I'm not going to agree with you, nor do I have to give you much merit for your comment. That doesn't make either of us wrong or right, it's just part of the process.</p> Harbeer, I understand Narinder’s intent. I don’t have strong feelings around whether he’s “good or bad” for introducing the American public to Sikhs; I just think he’s not particularly funny. Whatevs, he’s young and working on it. :)

Bada Bing, way to hyperbolize a rational comment in an attempt to derail the underlying argument. Using your logic, you only believe in “free speech” when it serves to undermine, ridicule, or slander a community group.

Last time I checked, disagreement was part of the free speech process. A person can say whatever they want, but free speech also invokes great responsibility. A person shouldn’t have to worry about death threats or censorship, but you shouldn’t be surprised if there is critique, dissent, or argument, or if your views are decried. Free speech is about an exchange of ideas, not about wholesale acceptance of all viewpoints as equal or equivalent. You could come around and tell me the sky is green; if it’s blue to me, I’m not going to agree with you, nor do I have to give you much merit for your comment. That doesn’t make either of us wrong or right, it’s just part of the process.

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217243 Harbeer Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:48:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217243 <p><i>14 · <b><a href="http://www.thelangarhall.com" rel="nofollow">Camille</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005434.html#comment217196">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>(is he really talking about getting laid vis-a-vis the turban? Kind of inappropriate)</blockquote> <p>When people used to ask my cousin Mintoo why he wore a turban he'd answer that it was to tie up girls with, and my man did NOT have the "contraceptive" problems Narinder complains of. In Texas. In junior high.</p> 14 · Camille said

(is he really talking about getting laid vis-a-vis the turban? Kind of inappropriate)

When people used to ask my cousin Mintoo why he wore a turban he’d answer that it was to tie up girls with, and my man did NOT have the “contraceptive” problems Narinder complains of. In Texas. In junior high.

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By: Bada Bing http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217238 Bada Bing Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:35:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217238 <blockquote>think it has more to do with community expectations/requirements of behavior <b>(is he really talking about getting laid vis-a-vis the turban? Kind of inappropriate)</b>,</blockquote> <p>You might as well have added that you empathize with the anger of those who sent Narinder the death threats. This sort of thinking is the font for fanatical actions like book burnings and killings. What is acceptable and what isn't? Where do you draw the line? I have seen this often: smart, educated minorities are all for freedom of speech except for when the speech is related to their own communities. I don't recall enough, but weren't similar sentiments expressed on the Dera Sachha Sauda thread, by otherwise reasonable commenters? I mean you all will say, oh violence is bad but then in the same breath disapprove of the freedom of someone's speech. It's not that these guys were going around abusing Sikh Gurus.</p> think it has more to do with community expectations/requirements of behavior (is he really talking about getting laid vis-a-vis the turban? Kind of inappropriate),

You might as well have added that you empathize with the anger of those who sent Narinder the death threats. This sort of thinking is the font for fanatical actions like book burnings and killings. What is acceptable and what isn’t? Where do you draw the line? I have seen this often: smart, educated minorities are all for freedom of speech except for when the speech is related to their own communities. I don’t recall enough, but weren’t similar sentiments expressed on the Dera Sachha Sauda thread, by otherwise reasonable commenters? I mean you all will say, oh violence is bad but then in the same breath disapprove of the freedom of someone’s speech. It’s not that these guys were going around abusing Sikh Gurus.

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217225 Harbeer Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:04:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217225 <p><i>14 · <b><a href="http://www.thelangarhall.com" rel="nofollow">Camille</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005434.html#comment217196">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I think it cuts against the image that Sikhs are asked to present to the world (and amongst themselves) when someone wearing a dastar is making crass comments and jokes that toe or cross the line of what's considered acceptable behavior in religious practice.</blockquote> <p>I disagree. As Che Guevara said, the role of the guerilla is to liberate the public's revolutionary imagination, to pave the way for more substantial change. Also, "there is no such thing as bad publicity."</p> <p>If I understand Narinder's stated goals correctly, then his indirect approach and mine are not that different (except that my medium is fiction.) In case you haven't noticed, most of America doesn't even know who Sikhs are. So Narinder can use his comic persona (not to be confused with the "real" Narinder) and I can use my characters (flawed, all-too-human beings, not to be confused with the "real" me) to call attention to Sikh's existence and concerns. That clears the way for scholars and more serious types to step in and raise the level of discourse.</p> <p>That said, I agree with <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005434.html#comment217166">nfa</a>. Nothing funny about straight propaganda.</p> 14 · Camille said

I think it cuts against the image that Sikhs are asked to present to the world (and amongst themselves) when someone wearing a dastar is making crass comments and jokes that toe or cross the line of what’s considered acceptable behavior in religious practice.

I disagree. As Che Guevara said, the role of the guerilla is to liberate the public’s revolutionary imagination, to pave the way for more substantial change. Also, “there is no such thing as bad publicity.”

If I understand Narinder’s stated goals correctly, then his indirect approach and mine are not that different (except that my medium is fiction.) In case you haven’t noticed, most of America doesn’t even know who Sikhs are. So Narinder can use his comic persona (not to be confused with the “real” Narinder) and I can use my characters (flawed, all-too-human beings, not to be confused with the “real” me) to call attention to Sikh’s existence and concerns. That clears the way for scholars and more serious types to step in and raise the level of discourse.

That said, I agree with nfa. Nothing funny about straight propaganda.

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By: Seahawks fan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/30/sikh_standup_co/comment-page-1/#comment-217198 Seahawks fan Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:53:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5434#comment-217198 <p>Narinder, hope you've developed a thick skin. People can be harsh -- especially those who've never stepped on a stage. Don't let the naysayers get you down.</p> Narinder, hope you’ve developed a thick skin. People can be harsh — especially those who’ve never stepped on a stage. Don’t let the naysayers get you down.

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