Comments on: Energy Ignorance is Bliss http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: rah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-217441 rah Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:58:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-217441 <p>Me thinks this piece has less to do with the general knowledge of energy issues of desis, and more to do with the knowledge of energy issues of people who only care about looking pretty and going clubbing. This piece was dedicated to exposing the stupidity of dumb people, they should try getting a wider sample next time if they're actually interesting in presenting a diversity of viewpoints on the issue.</p> Me thinks this piece has less to do with the general knowledge of energy issues of desis, and more to do with the knowledge of energy issues of people who only care about looking pretty and going clubbing. This piece was dedicated to exposing the stupidity of dumb people, they should try getting a wider sample next time if they’re actually interesting in presenting a diversity of viewpoints on the issue.

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By: YourTambi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-217282 YourTambi Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:32:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-217282 <p>See now this is funny. LOL. Way better than Manoj and they weren't even trying.</p> See now this is funny. LOL. Way better than Manoj and they weren’t even trying.

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By: amaun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-217000 amaun Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:13:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-217000 <p><i>sweetgrass ethanol</i></p> <p>I did some sweet grass and ethanol, before dawn, while looking for tigers at Bandipur recently. Were you looking for switchgrass? If policy decisions were made based on the science of planetary warming CARB/Greens ought to mandate catalytic converters for cattle.</p> sweetgrass ethanol

I did some sweet grass and ethanol, before dawn, while looking for tigers at Bandipur recently. Were you looking for switchgrass? If policy decisions were made based on the science of planetary warming CARB/Greens ought to mandate catalytic converters for cattle.

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By: Dr Amonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-216998 Dr Amonymous Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:36:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-216998 <p><i>36 · <b>Paranoid Android</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005430.html#comment216959">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Wow, this post is a little bit too pedantic for my taste. At the very least, for a non-open and shut issue - please read up (and acknowledge) the other side of the green debate. That's no excuse for knowing squat about your environment, but drawing a 4 point, seemingly linear decision tree is in itself much too ignorant. As you consider the positives of going green, would you please also consider the costs? </blockquote> <p>It's funny that you ask for nuance but reduce this to "sides" :) Most of the arguments I have ever heard in the political mainstream against global warming and renewable energy have been uncompelling at best and more likely just disingenuous. If you can point to specialist literature or mainstream arguments that acknowledge that global warming is occurring, and then seek to explain it, outline a path towards eliminating it without causing other serious externalities or reasons why it's not problematic, I'd be happy to read it.</p> <p>But until then, the debate for me is really what types of solutions are found to global warming, not whether - like every other country in the world has realized. So, consumption tax? Redesign cities? Let more migrants move out of countries that will likely be more affected (e.g. Bangladesh) to countries that will be less negatively affected? For example, I've heard ethanol subsidies for Iowa described as <a href="http://www.openleft.com/showComment.do?commentId=110555">a "minor war crime"</a> and <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/business/worldbusiness/15food.html?pagewanted=print">I agree</a>.</p> 36 · Paranoid Android said

Wow, this post is a little bit too pedantic for my taste. At the very least, for a non-open and shut issue – please read up (and acknowledge) the other side of the green debate. That’s no excuse for knowing squat about your environment, but drawing a 4 point, seemingly linear decision tree is in itself much too ignorant. As you consider the positives of going green, would you please also consider the costs?

It’s funny that you ask for nuance but reduce this to “sides” :) Most of the arguments I have ever heard in the political mainstream against global warming and renewable energy have been uncompelling at best and more likely just disingenuous. If you can point to specialist literature or mainstream arguments that acknowledge that global warming is occurring, and then seek to explain it, outline a path towards eliminating it without causing other serious externalities or reasons why it’s not problematic, I’d be happy to read it.

But until then, the debate for me is really what types of solutions are found to global warming, not whether – like every other country in the world has realized. So, consumption tax? Redesign cities? Let more migrants move out of countries that will likely be more affected (e.g. Bangladesh) to countries that will be less negatively affected? For example, I’ve heard ethanol subsidies for Iowa described as a “minor war crime” and I agree.

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By: Nayagan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-216990 Nayagan Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:39:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-216990 <p><i>36 · <b>Paranoid Android</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005430.html#comment216959">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Wow, this post is a little bit too pedantic for my taste. At the very least, for a non-open and shut issue - please read up (and acknowledge) the other side of the green debate. That's no excuse for knowing squat about your environment, but drawing a 4 point, seemingly linear decision tree is in itself much too ignorant. As you consider the positives of going green, would you please also consider the costs? </blockquote> <p>as in everything, there is a difference between being able to read the electricity bill and being able to design a city grid.</p> <p>For every kid that knew at least three sources of non fossil-fuel energy, how many know who Ronald Bailey is (and the associated change in how GW skeptics think), Patrick Michael, ?</p> 36 · Paranoid Android said

Wow, this post is a little bit too pedantic for my taste. At the very least, for a non-open and shut issue – please read up (and acknowledge) the other side of the green debate. That’s no excuse for knowing squat about your environment, but drawing a 4 point, seemingly linear decision tree is in itself much too ignorant. As you consider the positives of going green, would you please also consider the costs?

as in everything, there is a difference between being able to read the electricity bill and being able to design a city grid.

For every kid that knew at least three sources of non fossil-fuel energy, how many know who Ronald Bailey is (and the associated change in how GW skeptics think), Patrick Michael, ?

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By: Nayagan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-216988 Nayagan Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:39:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-216988 <p><i>36 · <b>Paranoid Android</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005430.html#comment216959">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Wow, this post is a little bit too pedantic for my taste. At the very least, for a non-open and shut issue - please read up (and acknowledge) the other side of the green debate. That's no excuse for knowing squat about your environment, but drawing a 4 point, seemingly linear decision tree is in itself much too ignorant. As you consider the positives of going green, would you please also consider the costs? </blockquote> <p>as in everything, there is a difference between being able to read the electricity bill and being able to design a city grid.</p> <p>For every kid that knew at least three sources of non fossil-fuel energy, how many know who Ronald Bailey is (and the associated change in how GW skeptics think) or who <a href="http://www.cato.org/people/michaels.html">Patrick Michael</a> is? I like playing "gotcha" as much as the next nerd, but at least I have the grace to acknowledge that the knowledge deficit on this subject (especially the details!) crosses party, ethnic and religious lines and that the truly substantive debate on the topic (including the cost/benefits of the various suggested ways of dealing with GW) takes place almost completely outside of the public sphere (yes, i'm not including the Goracle because he was less interested in science and more in stroking his ego and general panic over GW)</p> 36 · Paranoid Android said

Wow, this post is a little bit too pedantic for my taste. At the very least, for a non-open and shut issue – please read up (and acknowledge) the other side of the green debate. That’s no excuse for knowing squat about your environment, but drawing a 4 point, seemingly linear decision tree is in itself much too ignorant. As you consider the positives of going green, would you please also consider the costs?

as in everything, there is a difference between being able to read the electricity bill and being able to design a city grid.

For every kid that knew at least three sources of non fossil-fuel energy, how many know who Ronald Bailey is (and the associated change in how GW skeptics think) or who Patrick Michael is? I like playing “gotcha” as much as the next nerd, but at least I have the grace to acknowledge that the knowledge deficit on this subject (especially the details!) crosses party, ethnic and religious lines and that the truly substantive debate on the topic (including the cost/benefits of the various suggested ways of dealing with GW) takes place almost completely outside of the public sphere (yes, i’m not including the Goracle because he was less interested in science and more in stroking his ego and general panic over GW)

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By: suede http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-216987 suede Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:03:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-216987 <p>I love this clip. It blows out the stereotype (for me atleast).</p> <p>fools come in all colors.</p> I love this clip. It blows out the stereotype (for me atleast).

fools come in all colors.

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By: brownKanchho http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-216966 brownKanchho Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:54:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-216966 <p>so really what are the three VIABLE alternative energy sources ?? please enlighten me!</p> so really what are the three VIABLE alternative energy sources ?? please enlighten me!

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By: SpottieOttieDopaliscious http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-216964 SpottieOttieDopaliscious Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:26:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-216964 <p>I have a hard time getting worked up about the fact a bunch of kids going to a party don't know the difference between corn-based and sweetgrass ethanol. If you interview 100 people on the street about any issue, you're likely to get about 3 intelligent answers. Desi people are not exempted from the general ignorance of the public.</p> <p>Also Taz, about your statement that drilling for more oil is wrong? There were about 20,000 rabid republicans chanting "Drill Now" in Minnesota a few weeks ago who would beg to differ.</p> I have a hard time getting worked up about the fact a bunch of kids going to a party don’t know the difference between corn-based and sweetgrass ethanol. If you interview 100 people on the street about any issue, you’re likely to get about 3 intelligent answers. Desi people are not exempted from the general ignorance of the public.

Also Taz, about your statement that drilling for more oil is wrong? There were about 20,000 rabid republicans chanting “Drill Now” in Minnesota a few weeks ago who would beg to differ.

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By: Jumped the shark http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/27/ignorance_is_bl/comment-page-1/#comment-216963 Jumped the shark Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:21:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5430#comment-216963 <p>Thank you for breaking it down Taz. Now I don't have to waste my time thinking for myself.</p> <p>Do we have to keep reading the same post by Taz on here again and again? At least tell me she'll disappear again after the election. She really flies in the face of the whole non partisan thing you guys shoot for.</p> Thank you for breaking it down Taz. Now I don’t have to waste my time thinking for myself.

Do we have to keep reading the same post by Taz on here again and again? At least tell me she’ll disappear again after the election. She really flies in the face of the whole non partisan thing you guys shoot for.

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