Comments on: Punjabi Parmigiana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: sukhveer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-225584 sukhveer Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:01:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-225584 <p>lol , any indian of punjabi origin is quick to tell you about there so called "aryan" blood running thru their viens and how through history they intermingled with the turks, greeks etc.. and most think they are white or something, There are punjabs in places like italy and greece but make no mistake they dont accept you as there own to you they are just an extra source of cheap labour.</p> lol , any indian of punjabi origin is quick to tell you about there so called “aryan” blood running thru their viens and how through history they intermingled with the turks, greeks etc.. and most think they are white or something, There are punjabs in places like italy and greece but make no mistake they dont accept you as there own to you they are just an extra source of cheap labour.

]]> By: Radman http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-216970 Radman Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:14:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-216970 <p>Great piece. thanks for posting. Two comments. i always assumed that sikhs eat meat and drank alcohol. second, did you notice how facile the desi's were with the italian languagage.</p> Great piece. thanks for posting. Two comments. i always assumed that sikhs eat meat and drank alcohol. second, did you notice how facile the desi’s were with the italian languagage.

]]> By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-216844 Camille Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:57:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-216844 <p>I'm not an expert on desi migration to Italy, but I think it's important, first, to check our (American/Canadian) assumptions about migration policy and patterns for other countries. (I think razib alluded to this with respect to how we perceive "typical" or "correct" desi worker identities, skills, and jobs). Immigration regimes are significantly different in continental Europe, and they're also different on a country-by-country basis in terms of interaction with "sending" countries.</p> <p>With respect to desis in Italy, I'm sure there's been a great deal of migration in the last 40 years, but there's an older (smaller) population that's been in Italy (like France) since WWII, when [British] Indian troops were brought over to fight the Axis powers.</p> <p>On vegetarianism and intoxicants, the latter is true, the former is more of a trend. Under the Rehit Maryada, the question of vegetarianism is left open, although there are requirements/limitations on what kinds of meat you can/cannot eat, if you eat meat. There are, however, clear requirements re: intoxicants (drugs, alcohol, tobacco). While these rules are strictly adhered to by amritdhari Sikhs, there's also a relatively robust population of non-amritdhari Sikhs who follow these practices, also. And, as others have mentioned, langar is always prepared vegetarian (both at home and in public/community spaces), largely for inclusivity of all Sikhs and for people of other faiths.</p> I’m not an expert on desi migration to Italy, but I think it’s important, first, to check our (American/Canadian) assumptions about migration policy and patterns for other countries. (I think razib alluded to this with respect to how we perceive “typical” or “correct” desi worker identities, skills, and jobs). Immigration regimes are significantly different in continental Europe, and they’re also different on a country-by-country basis in terms of interaction with “sending” countries.

With respect to desis in Italy, I’m sure there’s been a great deal of migration in the last 40 years, but there’s an older (smaller) population that’s been in Italy (like France) since WWII, when [British] Indian troops were brought over to fight the Axis powers.

On vegetarianism and intoxicants, the latter is true, the former is more of a trend. Under the Rehit Maryada, the question of vegetarianism is left open, although there are requirements/limitations on what kinds of meat you can/cannot eat, if you eat meat. There are, however, clear requirements re: intoxicants (drugs, alcohol, tobacco). While these rules are strictly adhered to by amritdhari Sikhs, there’s also a relatively robust population of non-amritdhari Sikhs who follow these practices, also. And, as others have mentioned, langar is always prepared vegetarian (both at home and in public/community spaces), largely for inclusivity of all Sikhs and for people of other faiths.

]]> By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-216643 Ennis Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:32:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-216643 <blockquote><blockquote>and the second largest Gurdwara in Europe</blockquote>Hmmmm. I doubt that. Serving 600 Sikhs? The UK has quite a few big gurdwarey that might be bigger than that.</blockquote> <p>Oh, no doubt. I think the makers of the news clip (who seem to have been British from the accent but I don't know) meant continental Europe when they said Europe. Also, they might get more than 600 worshipers. If there are 90,000 immigrants in the region, most of whom are Sikhs, they could get several thousand worshipers regularly. I don't know.</p>
and the second largest Gurdwara in Europe
Hmmmm. I doubt that. Serving 600 Sikhs? The UK has quite a few big gurdwarey that might be bigger than that.

Oh, no doubt. I think the makers of the news clip (who seem to have been British from the accent but I don’t know) meant continental Europe when they said Europe. Also, they might get more than 600 worshipers. If there are 90,000 immigrants in the region, most of whom are Sikhs, they could get several thousand worshipers regularly. I don’t know.

]]> By: Bobby http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-216640 Bobby Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:43:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-216640 <blockquote>and the second largest Gurdwara in Europe</blockquote> <p>Hmmmm. I doubt that. Serving 600 Sikhs? The UK has quite a few big gurdwarey that might be bigger than that.</p> and the second largest Gurdwara in Europe

Hmmmm. I doubt that. Serving 600 Sikhs? The UK has quite a few big gurdwarey that might be bigger than that.

]]> By: Bobby http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-216639 Bobby Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:39:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-216639 <blockquote>Did no one else notice that they refered the Sikhs as being vegitarian and not consuming alcohol? WTF?</blockquote> <p>Many Sikhs are vegetarian and do not drink. It depends on their level of personal observance or preference. In the temple the langar is always vegetarian so everyone can partake of food there. And it's not just baptised Sikhs who are vegetarian.</p> Did no one else notice that they refered the Sikhs as being vegitarian and not consuming alcohol? WTF?

Many Sikhs are vegetarian and do not drink. It depends on their level of personal observance or preference. In the temple the langar is always vegetarian so everyone can partake of food there. And it’s not just baptised Sikhs who are vegetarian.

]]> By: Fuerza Dulce http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-216626 Fuerza Dulce Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:37:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-216626 <p>When I visited Italy as a high school student, I saw lots of Bengali/Bengladeshis in Roma. I fantasized about finding a hot Italian-speaking Punjabi guy. Now, my prayers have been answered - Italian-speaking Punjabis who make Cheese?? Sweet.</p> <p>Sidenote - I loved seeing the amritdhari uncle speaking fluent Italian with a pendu accent. That was totally awesome.</p> When I visited Italy as a high school student, I saw lots of Bengali/Bengladeshis in Roma. I fantasized about finding a hot Italian-speaking Punjabi guy. Now, my prayers have been answered – Italian-speaking Punjabis who make Cheese?? Sweet.

Sidenote – I loved seeing the amritdhari uncle speaking fluent Italian with a pendu accent. That was totally awesome.

]]> By: MarathiMunda http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-216620 MarathiMunda Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:00:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-216620 <p><i>15 · <b>atool</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005421.html#comment216590">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><i>8 · <b><a href="mailto:suki1328@yahoo.com">Suki Dillon</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005421.html#comment216576">said</a></i> <blockquote>I'm just wondering, how many of the desi's in Italy came to that country the right and legal way. </blockquote> Why do you care? </blockquote> <p>I have seen this "person" posting on a few other sites pertaining to Indians, specifically Sikhs, and he clearly harbours a lot of animosity towards Punjabis. Don't pay any attention to this Babu and his anglicized name, Suki Dillon lol</p> 15 · atool said

8 · Suki Dillon said
I’m just wondering, how many of the desi’s in Italy came to that country the right and legal way.
Why do you care?

I have seen this “person” posting on a few other sites pertaining to Indians, specifically Sikhs, and he clearly harbours a lot of animosity towards Punjabis. Don’t pay any attention to this Babu and his anglicized name, Suki Dillon lol

]]> By: sandhya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-216604 sandhya Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:34:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-216604 <p>This is fascinating. Thanks for the post, ennis! I wonder whether any of these cheese experts have or plan to return to India to make cheese there? See my related post <a href="http://www.sandhyanankani.com/wordpress/?p=144">"Unwrapping Cheese in India"</a> a few months ago about the increasing variety of cheesy options in the homeland.</p> This is fascinating. Thanks for the post, ennis! I wonder whether any of these cheese experts have or plan to return to India to make cheese there? See my related post “Unwrapping Cheese in India” a few months ago about the increasing variety of cheesy options in the homeland.

]]> By: atool http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/09/22/punjabi_parmigi/comment-page-1/#comment-216590 atool Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:03:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5421#comment-216590 <p><i>8 · <b><a href="mailto:suki1328@yahoo.com">Suki Dillon</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005421.html#comment216576">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I'm just wondering, how many of the desi's in Italy came to that country the right and legal way. </blockquote> <p>Why do you care?</p> 8 · Suki Dillon said

I’m just wondering, how many of the desi’s in Italy came to that country the right and legal way.

Why do you care?

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