Kennedy quoted reagan as saying; “Fascism was really the basis of the New Deal.” so you assertion that he called FDR a fascist is wrong, though understandable for ann coulter like thinkers like you. reagan was pointing out that fascism was once a respectable ideology (mussolini’s version) and was intertwined with various collectivist ideologies of the time, of which the new deal was one. many intellectuals praised it and it wasn’t until the end of the non aggression pact that many of the left turned virulently anti-fascist. that and the spanish civil war. he didn’t call fdr a fascist.

Penn was booted out. That’s the difference

he was booted out for his connections to columbia, not for his southern strategy. he worked on clintons dnc speech, btw.

Bill Clinton as a rapist.

You don’t believe Juanita Broderick? let me guess, you belive Anita Hill though.

Re McSame’s POW excuse (a noun, a verb, and POW) it was just to tell you that McSame is at best as heroic as about 600 other POWs, several of whom who have sacrificed as much take a very poor opinion of his milking the story for personal gain and profiteering from it

And this makes him different from Kerry how?

You still don’t get the point about that Newsweek article – that’s about working with the media not sucking up to a rival and licking his boots like McSame does these days.

so you’ve created media exception to you “boot licking” smear artists charge? Not that I blame the clintons for doing it, thats politcal reality. Obama has licked hillary boot, but i’m sure you’ll find an exception for that as well, in your simplistic world where wyou swift boat people while denouncing swift boating and talk of “ignorant ranters” while you ignorantly rant.

Read the Ted Kennedy speech, surely by now you could have done that? I am not going to point out what the problem is with your argument, because you don’t know it. Mark Penn campaigned for whom this time? You know that right? And even if I wouldn’t like to have Mark Penn on my side, Michelle Malkin is so far out into the nuttosphere and is actually celebrated by routing repugs. Penn wass booted out. That’s the difference. Surely you have seen Moore’s Fahrenheit 911 and where’s the conspiracy apart from showing the duffer-in-chief read my pet goat, and the haves and have-mores “my base”? I can understand it must hurt to have your side shown up for the pretenders and hypocrites they are. But someone’s got to do it. In any case Rosie O’Donnell and Moore aren’t campaigners. Malkin is. That’s the difference. And what’s this thing about accusing Barack Obama of being a Muslim? That’s your good old friend – moonbat Ann Couler – who continues to refer to the Democratic Party Presidential candidate as B. Hussein Obama and Bill Clinton as a rapist. You haven’t heard how Clinton dissed Coulter. That’s what you get when you go against a guy who fights the smear. You still don’t get the point about that Newsweek article – that’s about working with the media not sucking up to a rival and licking his boots like McSame does these days.

Re McSame’s POW excuse (a noun, a verb, and POW) it was just to tell you that McSame is at best as heroic as about 600 other POWs, several of whom who have sacrificed as much take a very poor opinion of his milking the story for personal gain and profiteering from it.

And don’t hold your breath… McSame isn’t about to grow a spine and confront his handlers. He gave up all pretense of dignity several years ago.

Blah..blah.. I’m talking about condemning large swaths of people because of where they happen to live which you do so easily. The fact that you can’t even recognize that is very sad. All that hate’s gonna burn you up.

Actually that is the conclusion one would draw from your characterisation of John Kerry. San Francisco values – to which Nancy Pelosi delivered a stinging rebuke; Hollywood values; far left in Taxachussetts; city *******, New York values etc. These are all terms conjured up by the radical nut fringe over the years. It is about making a virtue of ignorance, and a vice of knowledge. Pointyheads, eggheads, liberal professors, and the list goes on.

It is hard not to generalise when you hear it from people who have pounded the pavement and marched on after fighting water cannon, police K9 equipped beat cops, and vicious mayors – all for the right to vote.

Arnold Pinkney…in 1984, he was the national campaign manager for presidential candidate Jesse Jackson. When I ran Jesse’s national campaign in ’84 and traveled around the country, given the attitude of people of people — particularly in northern, blue-collar areas and in Appalachia — absolutely not. Through the years, we would try to encourage Lou to run for the United States Senate from Ohio. We knew he was popular enough in Northeast Ohio, but we knew that he would never win statewide. In ’84, campaigning with Jesse in West Virginia, going door to door, we were up on a porch where an old, white fellow was sitting on the porch. Jesse shook hands with him and the man said, “You know, Rev. Jackson, everything you say is true and everything you say is best for me and my people, but I could never vote for a black man for president of the United States.” And other people said the same thing, but didn’t say it as nicely.

In fact that is possibly why many senior black political leaders stayed clear of Obama to begin with – some of them have told me in person, “We never thought it was going to happen.” This is not bigotry but realism. There are some smears that should be off-limits even for garbage scroungers like Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove. Dubbing Obama a celebrity or questioning his patriotism are some of them. Even the GOP convention theme “Country First” is a cheap shot at the Democratic Party. Calling Al Gore a liar for his alleged claim of inventing the Internet is a smear when Vint cerf confirms that Gore did more than anyone to popularise it and is justifiably the inventor of the modern net.

I have been following US politics since the Nixon years from his re-election in 1972. i learned about Barry Goldwater and Eisenhower much later. This is not the party they represented. This is a bunch led and controlled by scam artists, scum bags, smear merchants, and ignorant ranters. Goldwater and Eisenhower would be appalled to see what has become of their party.

So you concede he condemned corsi but smear him with the charge that corsi works for him. can you substantiate the charge?

I know it is. I was responding to your assertion: “It is not OK to call FDR a fascist in 1978 and claim to praise his legacy accepting a nomination in 1980.” which I debunked in #410. it’s not a big deal., just admit you were mistaken if you can’t substantiate the claim. otherwise, you are just like the very smear merchants you rail agianst.

It is not a question of guilt by association, but guilt by associating with a camp that is run by, for and is composed of lobbyists and smear merchant notables like Michelle Malkin

So why is this not applicable to you? You’re asociated with a cmp that, l;ike Mark Penn, tryed to portry Obama as foreign, let Marc Rich go free, cheatted on and sexually harassed young women, had an iconic former VP candiate tell america obama is lucky to be black, spreads vicious 911 copnspriacy theorise like rosie o dennel and michal moore do. why are you not responsibel for this?

Re POW, here’s Philip Butler who spent more time than McSame at te Hanoi Hilton,

How does this substantiate yuor charge that he was ordered to staty a POW rather than chose to do it in accordance with protocol?

Ah! Clintonian! Did you read that Newsweek article? That’s about calling up a smear merchant for contributions to a charity! Seriously is this the best you cnan come up with

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Hows this? No charity involved here just political expediency. And from the newsweek article:

“Last month Ruddy posted a softball interview with Clinton on the Newsmax site (sample question: “What is the best thing about being an ex-president?”). A worshipful cover story followed in the current edition of the magazine. Clinton, it gushed, is “a political and cultural powerhouse” who is “part Merlin and part Midas—a politician with a magical touch.”

“it’s not hard to figure out why the Clintons would embrace a former nemesis. As they prepared for Hillary’s presidential run, the Clintons made quiet attempts to disarm, or at least neutralize, some of their most vocal opponents”

“The New York Times reported that the Clinton camp has also made efforts to open a line of communication to blogger Matt Drudge, who has served as a conduit for anti-Clinton GOP leaks.”

“But his lawyer, Yale Gutnick, says Bill Clinton and Richard Mellon Scaife are now members of a “mutual admiration society.” Cue the apocalypse.”

Yes, its all about charity. no politcs here. I look forward to you asking “What type of father licks the boots of the men who abuse his daughter?” I won’t hold my breath.

it is reported that George and Laura are selling their ranch and moving out to Dallas. Kerry is a very successful senator and much beloved in Massachusetts, so all residents of that state are infused with raw hatred and bigotry? No let’s try this differently. Almost as many people voted for Kerry as did for Bush. So about half of those who voted in 2004 expressed raw bigotry and hatred? Or OK try this one. Obama won >50% of the Illinois vote in 2004, so >50% of Illinois expressed raw hatred and bigotry?

Blah..blah.. I’m talking about condemning large swaths of people because of where they happen to live which you do so easily. The fact that you can’t even recognize that is very sad. All that hate’s gonna burn you up.

This is delicious! Manju you should check your sources before you speak up for McSame!

a.The Ted Kennedy reference is wrt Reagan not McSame. Please read up the speech for examples of the duplicitous utterances of Reagan, who among other things also opposed housing desgregation in California! b.It is not a question of guilt by association, but guilt by associating with a camp that is run by, for and is composed of lobbyists and smear merchant notables like Michelle Malkin – who BTW is a leading light of the repugnant attack machine. malkin’s claim to fame is a book justifying the internment of Japanese Americans, that was used by several other scumbags on the repugnant side to make a case to detain Arab-Americans! The Japanese-American internment horror of course is now part of our history and though we may forgive we never forget it even after their descendants have been compensated monetarily. This community has turned out enthusiastically for Obama! While we all make mistakes, some never repent and in fact go beyond that to justify the deed. The more honorable thing to do is to not only issue an apology but also reject the flawed principles that drove these deeds in the first place. What’s a weak apology or a routine “condemnation” when Joe Corsi returns to work for the McSame camp with calling Obama an abomination? That makes sense given that at the Texas Repblican Party convention this year some delegates sported a pin that read “If Obama is President will we still call it the White House.” while some sported one that read, “Republican Women Like Men”, and another, “Life is a *****, don’t vote for one – Hillary” This is campaign stuff not loon territory. If McSame had any scruples he would have stepped in a while ago to put an end to this sort of bigotry and prejudice. But then don’t we know that this is all there is to what was once the proud party of leaders and visionaries many many decades ago?

Re POW, here’s Philip Butler who spent more time than McSame at te Hanoi Hilton,

People often ask if I was a Prisoner of War with John McCain. My answer is always “No – John McCain was a POW with me.” The reason is I was there for 8 years and John got there 2 ½ years later, so he was a POW for 5 ½ years. And we have our own seniority system, based on time as a POW. John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately this was often the case – new POW’s arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was non-existent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John’s father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW’s suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda. John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW’s in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor – 8, Service Crosses – 42, Silver Stars – 590, Bronze Stars – 958 and Purple Hearts – 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many – not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe.

John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More that 600 of us did the same. After our repatriation a census showed that 95% of us had been tortured at least once. The Vietnamese were quite democratic about it. There were many heroes in North Vietnam. I saw heroism every day there. And we motivated each other to endure and succeed far beyond what any of us thought we had in ourselves. Succeeding as a POW is a group sport, not an individual one. We all supported and encouraged each other to survive and succeed. John knows that. He was not an individual POW hero. He was a POW who surmounted the odds with the help of many comrades, as all of us did.

Ah! Clintonian! Did you read that Newsweek article? That’s about calling up a smear merchant for contributions to a charity! Seriously is this the best you cnan come up with?

I fact checked the your kerry claim. b/c i remember him condeming it. turns out your wrong:

McCain condemns anti-Kerry ad

you have a lot in common with the smearing “scumbags” and “mice” you condemn. hell, you even sound like ann coulter. i thought you were prema this whole time.