Comments on: DNC Day 2: My Mom’s a PUMA. Will she come around? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: PUMA Pounce http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-216641 PUMA Pounce Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:43:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-216641 <p>PUMAs are not happy with Obama. He has questionable ties to almost all of his associates. He flip flops on almost all of his topics. When our candidate was not elected, we carefully looked at both candidates and decided to go with someone with character and that we can trust. John McCain became that person. We are happy that he picked a female Vice Presidential Candidate. Something that Obama would never take into consideration. We are not just women and/or feminists we come from all corners of the United States (demographics), society, gender and race.</p> <p>We do not feel the Democratic party gave us the right candidate. We were force fed this "celebrity" - well he does not represent us - all 18 million of us and come election day - our vote will count!</p> <p>McCain/Palin - '08 Hillary '12</p> PUMAs are not happy with Obama. He has questionable ties to almost all of his associates. He flip flops on almost all of his topics. When our candidate was not elected, we carefully looked at both candidates and decided to go with someone with character and that we can trust. John McCain became that person. We are happy that he picked a female Vice Presidential Candidate. Something that Obama would never take into consideration. We are not just women and/or feminists we come from all corners of the United States (demographics), society, gender and race.

We do not feel the Democratic party gave us the right candidate. We were force fed this “celebrity” – well he does not represent us – all 18 million of us and come election day – our vote will count!

McCain/Palin – ’08 Hillary ’12

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By: Nayagan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-213892 Nayagan Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:11:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-213892 <p><i>70 · <b><a href="mailto:dr.anonymous@passtheroti.com" rel="nofollow">Dr AmNonymous</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005374.html#comment213787">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Serious questions because I'm considering what you're saying: Does Barr believe the state has any role in assisting the disempowered? What is his stand on gay rights and gender and worker organizing? If he opposes hate crime laws, what are his remedies?</blockquote> <ol> <li>As soon as you have a metric or empirical basis for measuring the extent of this disempowerment(inventing words left and right here), I'm sure he'd be happy to address that.</li> <li>Private unions are really not the problem, it's public sector unions that are the problem. Legislation or referendum, however, trumps all and that would probably be his answer.</li> <li>Enforce the laws that are already on the books (for staid unfashionable crimes such as rape, murder, etc.) That is unless you have proof of a strong causal link between hate crime penalties in sentencing and reduced crime rates against whichever hated group is in question. (in which case you've also made a strong argument for the state's right to kill yo ass!)</li> </ol> <p>and in other news, more PumaPac hilarity! <a href="http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/puma_pac_members_think_blackface_and_other_racist_garbage_is_funny/"> The Darlings! So cute!.</a></p> 70 · Dr AmNonymous said

Serious questions because I’m considering what you’re saying: Does Barr believe the state has any role in assisting the disempowered? What is his stand on gay rights and gender and worker organizing? If he opposes hate crime laws, what are his remedies?
  1. As soon as you have a metric or empirical basis for measuring the extent of this disempowerment(inventing words left and right here), I’m sure he’d be happy to address that.
  2. Private unions are really not the problem, it’s public sector unions that are the problem. Legislation or referendum, however, trumps all and that would probably be his answer.
  3. Enforce the laws that are already on the books (for staid unfashionable crimes such as rape, murder, etc.) That is unless you have proof of a strong causal link between hate crime penalties in sentencing and reduced crime rates against whichever hated group is in question. (in which case you’ve also made a strong argument for the state’s right to kill yo ass!)

and in other news, more PumaPac hilarity! The Darlings! So cute!.

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By: Dr AmNonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-213787 Dr AmNonymous Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:59:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-213787 <blockquote>dr. a, surely won't you join noted uber-lefty journo Alexander Cockburn (whom I read regularly in my 'we must bring down global capitalism to perserve third-worlders in pleasing poverty-amber which thankfully won't reflect light into my sensitive middle class eyes' days) in his choice of candidate based on 'concience' and 'issues'? (hint: he's not a peanut farmer).</blockquote> <p>Serious questions because I'm considering what you're saying: Does Barr believe the state has any role in assisting the disempowered? What is his stand on gay rights and gender and worker organizing? If he opposes hate crime laws, what are his remedies?</p> dr. a, surely won’t you join noted uber-lefty journo Alexander Cockburn (whom I read regularly in my ‘we must bring down global capitalism to perserve third-worlders in pleasing poverty-amber which thankfully won’t reflect light into my sensitive middle class eyes’ days) in his choice of candidate based on ‘concience’ and ‘issues’? (hint: he’s not a peanut farmer).

Serious questions because I’m considering what you’re saying: Does Barr believe the state has any role in assisting the disempowered? What is his stand on gay rights and gender and worker organizing? If he opposes hate crime laws, what are his remedies?

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-213780 Manju Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:14:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-213780 <p><i>67 · <B><A href="mailto:dr.anonymous@passtheroti.com" rel=nofollow>Dr AmNonymous</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005374.html#comment213776">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>The way this works is that if I think someone is being disingenusous about politics</blockquote> <p>my ulterior motive of proving some of the vrwc right while annoying liberals by putting them between a rock an a hard place doesn't mean i'm being disinginuous. I just happen to be in the wonderful position of having my low and high motives perfectly aligned.</p> <p>Its like when I discovered wine lowers your blood pressure. One should enjoy these rare moments.</p> 67 · Dr AmNonymous said

The way this works is that if I think someone is being disingenusous about politics

my ulterior motive of proving some of the vrwc right while annoying liberals by putting them between a rock an a hard place doesn’t mean i’m being disinginuous. I just happen to be in the wonderful position of having my low and high motives perfectly aligned.

Its like when I discovered wine lowers your blood pressure. One should enjoy these rare moments.

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By: Dr AmNonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-213777 Dr AmNonymous Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:50:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-213777 <blockquote>Keep objecting and and lose this election or borrow some humility, sit with a PUMA and pursuade him/her to vote for Obama. You cannot browbeat a voter into voting for your guy.</blockquote> <p>I'm not browbeating anyone into voting for anyone. I don't think people who object to Obama vehemently SHOULD vote for him, though I wish they would in some states because I would like to see him get elected. I don't have time to argue with 2nd wave feminists and gay rights activitsts - rather hang out with 3rd wave ones.</p> Keep objecting and and lose this election or borrow some humility, sit with a PUMA and pursuade him/her to vote for Obama. You cannot browbeat a voter into voting for your guy.

I’m not browbeating anyone into voting for anyone. I don’t think people who object to Obama vehemently SHOULD vote for him, though I wish they would in some states because I would like to see him get elected. I don’t have time to argue with 2nd wave feminists and gay rights activitsts – rather hang out with 3rd wave ones.

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By: Dr AmNonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-213776 Dr AmNonymous Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:47:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-213776 <blockquote>So how does this work? dems shouldn't critize bush's "black baby" strategy against McCain b/c its concern trolling? We should look the other way if racism and divisiveness is directed at people with whom we disagree?</blockquote> <p>The way this works is that if I think someone is being disingenusous about politics, I tell them. But honestly, I think you should join the Democrats (not being sarcastic). It seems to fit. If you liked Clinton's policies and dislike policies that can only be called ineffectual and/or plutocratic from Bush that McCain shows no inclination of moving away from, then you're probably a Democrat.</p> So how does this work? dems shouldn’t critize bush’s “black baby” strategy against McCain b/c its concern trolling? We should look the other way if racism and divisiveness is directed at people with whom we disagree?

The way this works is that if I think someone is being disingenusous about politics, I tell them. But honestly, I think you should join the Democrats (not being sarcastic). It seems to fit. If you liked Clinton’s policies and dislike policies that can only be called ineffectual and/or plutocratic from Bush that McCain shows no inclination of moving away from, then you’re probably a Democrat.

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By: Sulabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-213748 Sulabh Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:55:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-213748 <blockquote>On what grounds?</blockquote> <p>Respectfully put this question to a PUMA, I am not one, I am voting for Obama as I know I can do much worse if I vote for McCain.</p> <blockquote>What I object to are inattention to gender, sexuality, imperialism, immigration, and a host of other matters on which John McCain will be worse than Barack Obama on. So it's either wounds that are too deep to heal or a real disagreement. </blockquote> <p>Keep objecting and and lose this election or borrow some humility, sit with a PUMA and pursuade him/her to vote for Obama. You cannot browbeat a voter into voting for your guy.</p> <p>First things first - get Obama in the Whitehouse</p> On what grounds?

Respectfully put this question to a PUMA, I am not one, I am voting for Obama as I know I can do much worse if I vote for McCain.

What I object to are inattention to gender, sexuality, imperialism, immigration, and a host of other matters on which John McCain will be worse than Barack Obama on. So it’s either wounds that are too deep to heal or a real disagreement.

Keep objecting and and lose this election or borrow some humility, sit with a PUMA and pursuade him/her to vote for Obama. You cannot browbeat a voter into voting for your guy.

First things first – get Obama in the Whitehouse

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-213745 Manju Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:37:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-213745 <p><i>58 · <b>the doctor</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005374.html#comment213715">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>and monomaniacal obsession with clinton calumny, your comments are sounding like that prema character's rants on indian racism/sexual impotence/general stupidity.</blockquote> <p>i feel your pain, doc. its a hard pill to swallow. especially when you know they are not racists in their heart. and i'm certaily no saint to be so giddy that the clinton's and their allies have been exposed and some of the VRWC exonerated. i cetanly see how you can be annoyed. I leave you with a quote from James Clyburn, who can't be accused of feigning (and I never knew about the willie horton tidbit, if anyone could enlighten me, i'd appreciate it.):</p> <blockquote>I simply said that I thought that things were being said and done that could very well make the nomination of our party not worth having. I was around when the Willy Horton ads literally annihilated our candidate for president. That [sort of attack] didn't start out with Republicans; that started out in the Democratic primaries. Right now, we see the McCain campaign doing things that seem to be taken out of the Democratic primary. We see a tightening in this race. And we have nobody and nothing to blame except things that happened in the primary. </blockquote> 58 · the doctor said

and monomaniacal obsession with clinton calumny, your comments are sounding like that prema character’s rants on indian racism/sexual impotence/general stupidity.

i feel your pain, doc. its a hard pill to swallow. especially when you know they are not racists in their heart. and i’m certaily no saint to be so giddy that the clinton’s and their allies have been exposed and some of the VRWC exonerated. i cetanly see how you can be annoyed. I leave you with a quote from James Clyburn, who can’t be accused of feigning (and I never knew about the willie horton tidbit, if anyone could enlighten me, i’d appreciate it.):

I simply said that I thought that things were being said and done that could very well make the nomination of our party not worth having. I was around when the Willy Horton ads literally annihilated our candidate for president. That [sort of attack] didn’t start out with Republicans; that started out in the Democratic primaries. Right now, we see the McCain campaign doing things that seem to be taken out of the Democratic primary. We see a tightening in this race. And we have nobody and nothing to blame except things that happened in the primary.
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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-213742 Manju Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:29:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-213742 <blockquote>dude, with your feigned concern</blockquote> <blockquote>though, will you be compiling your posts into a volume called "Why I Am So Concerned About A Party And Agenda I Oppose?"</blockquote> <p>So how does this work? dems shouldn't critize bush's "black baby" strategy against McCain b/c its concern trolling? We should look the other way if racism and divisiveness is directed at people with whom we disagree?</p> dude, with your feigned concern
though, will you be compiling your posts into a volume called “Why I Am So Concerned About A Party And Agenda I Oppose?”

So how does this work? dems shouldn’t critize bush’s “black baby” strategy against McCain b/c its concern trolling? We should look the other way if racism and divisiveness is directed at people with whom we disagree?

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/27/dnc_day_2_my_mo/comment-page-2/#comment-213733 RC Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:42:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5374#comment-213733 <p>Barack Obama's speech in the football stadium will seem over the top and presumptuous and it will be spun that way too, by the McCain campaign. The whole "rock star" acceptance speech clearly plays into the McCain campaign's "celebritiy" attacks and I think that choosing the football stadium as a venue is the biggest mis-step of the Obama campaign thus far.</p> Barack Obama’s speech in the football stadium will seem over the top and presumptuous and it will be spun that way too, by the McCain campaign. The whole “rock star” acceptance speech clearly plays into the McCain campaign’s “celebritiy” attacks and I think that choosing the football stadium as a venue is the biggest mis-step of the Obama campaign thus far.

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