Comments on: Countries & Queueing http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ladeez Compartment Only http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-2/#comment-213569 Ladeez Compartment Only Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:20:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213569 <blockquote>And then started the <b>spooning</b>. To me that was worse than elbowing your way to the front, maybe cuz I am big enough to do that, but be <b>felt up</b> by the guy behind you until your turn comes requires a level of patience that I dont possess. At one point I turned around and told the guy behind to quit <b>humpin</b> me and he looked incredulous rather than sheepish. So, trust/shmust. Jus don hump me. My experience too!!! Thank god they have separate lines for women. </blockquote> <p>Yeah but those ladeezh only lines soon morph into mixed gender lines and spoon fed feel ups after about, oh, 6:00 AM.</p> <blockquote>In mixed lines, I find that women can control the 'tone' of the line much better than men, because no one wants to pick a fight with a woman</blockquote> <p>No, they just want to rub up against us.</p> <blockquote>Try getting off the Delhi Metro...not only is everyone else trying to get off along with you, but you have to <b>push against all the people trying to get in </b>at the same time</blockquote> <p>The men look forward to that.</p> <p>Crowded train stations in India are something that we women never look forward to. Never.</p> And then started the spooning. To me that was worse than elbowing your way to the front, maybe cuz I am big enough to do that, but be felt up by the guy behind you until your turn comes requires a level of patience that I dont possess. At one point I turned around and told the guy behind to quit humpin me and he looked incredulous rather than sheepish. So, trust/shmust. Jus don hump me. My experience too!!! Thank god they have separate lines for women.

Yeah but those ladeezh only lines soon morph into mixed gender lines and spoon fed feel ups after about, oh, 6:00 AM.

In mixed lines, I find that women can control the ‘tone’ of the line much better than men, because no one wants to pick a fight with a woman

No, they just want to rub up against us.

Try getting off the Delhi Metro…not only is everyone else trying to get off along with you, but you have to push against all the people trying to get in at the same time

The men look forward to that.

Crowded train stations in India are something that we women never look forward to. Never.

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By: sakshi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-2/#comment-213562 sakshi Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:53:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213562 <blockquote>When it happens in Japan with people being pushed onto the train or in London at rush hour when British passiveaggressiveness gives way to aggressiveaggressiveness or in New York, is that culture as well? Deepseated tendencies of the people of the place explained through bizarre and overly complicated mechanisms? People are complicated, but not that complicated.</blockquote> <p>Is it rush hour in New York City? I sense a disturbance in the trust-force.</p> When it happens in Japan with people being pushed onto the train or in London at rush hour when British passiveaggressiveness gives way to aggressiveaggressiveness or in New York, is that culture as well? Deepseated tendencies of the people of the place explained through bizarre and overly complicated mechanisms? People are complicated, but not that complicated.

Is it rush hour in New York City? I sense a disturbance in the trust-force.

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By: Dr AmNonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-2/#comment-213557 Dr AmNonymous Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:11:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213557 <blockquote>Partially this is because the grocery store is too small for the amount of people who come there to shop - but I'd imagine the larger part is culture.</blockquote> <blockquote>There is no doubt that there are many fundamental flaws in desi culture.</blockquote> <blockquote>And really it's not a the system that's the problem, it's the culture of the passengers.</blockquote> <p>So you have a resource, and more people want to access it than it's equipped to serve. People get used to that, and this is explained as "culture" (i.e. I can't be bothered to try to understand or explain this, so I'm going to give an essentialized explanation without any backup ;) When it happens in Japan with people being pushed onto the train or in London at rush hour when British passiveaggressiveness gives way to aggressiveaggressiveness or in New York, is that culture as well? Deepseated tendencies of the people of the place explained through bizarre and overly complicated mechanisms? People are complicated, but not that complicated.</p> Partially this is because the grocery store is too small for the amount of people who come there to shop – but I’d imagine the larger part is culture.
There is no doubt that there are many fundamental flaws in desi culture.
And really it’s not a the system that’s the problem, it’s the culture of the passengers.

So you have a resource, and more people want to access it than it’s equipped to serve. People get used to that, and this is explained as “culture” (i.e. I can’t be bothered to try to understand or explain this, so I’m going to give an essentialized explanation without any backup ;) When it happens in Japan with people being pushed onto the train or in London at rush hour when British passiveaggressiveness gives way to aggressiveaggressiveness or in New York, is that culture as well? Deepseated tendencies of the people of the place explained through bizarre and overly complicated mechanisms? People are complicated, but not that complicated.

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By: advaitin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-2/#comment-213515 advaitin Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:55:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213515 <blockquote>My gora boss went to India a few years ago and commented on how everytime the the railroad crossing arms went down on the road crossing, both sides would not form a line. On both sides, the traffic would fall into oncoming lane and it would take more time to sort it all out than if they'd stay in their lanes.</blockquote> <p>He probably concluded that Indians are a stupid and hopeless people. Most foreign visitors to India are shocked not only by the filth, poverty and crowds but also by the chaotic craziness on the roads, railways and bazaars. There is no doubt that there are many fundamental flaws in desi culture.</p> My gora boss went to India a few years ago and commented on how everytime the the railroad crossing arms went down on the road crossing, both sides would not form a line. On both sides, the traffic would fall into oncoming lane and it would take more time to sort it all out than if they’d stay in their lanes.

He probably concluded that Indians are a stupid and hopeless people. Most foreign visitors to India are shocked not only by the filth, poverty and crowds but also by the chaotic craziness on the roads, railways and bazaars. There is no doubt that there are many fundamental flaws in desi culture.

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By: PS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-2/#comment-213506 PS Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:57:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213506 <p>Shopping at the grocery store right before <a href="http://www.onamfestival.org/what-is-onam.html">Onam</a> in Kerala - horrible, horrible! I could not get over how chaotic the "lines" were - there was no beginning, just winded around columns of food into an ameoba shaped jam around the cash registers!</p> <p>Partially this is because the grocery store is too small for the amount of people who come there to shop - but I'd imagine the larger part is culture. People aren't even angry about this - no real angry pushes --- they talk sweetly as they slip, slyly push and prod in front of you. I get so angry about that...just thinking about it makes my blood pressure go up.</p> Shopping at the grocery store right before Onam in Kerala – horrible, horrible! I could not get over how chaotic the “lines” were – there was no beginning, just winded around columns of food into an ameoba shaped jam around the cash registers!

Partially this is because the grocery store is too small for the amount of people who come there to shop – but I’d imagine the larger part is culture. People aren’t even angry about this – no real angry pushes — they talk sweetly as they slip, slyly push and prod in front of you. I get so angry about that…just thinking about it makes my blood pressure go up.

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By: Quizman http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-1/#comment-213505 Quizman Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:16:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213505 <p>A book on this topic; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Games-Indians-Play-Why-Are/dp/0670999407">Games Indians play</a>.</p> A book on this topic; Games Indians play.

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-1/#comment-213503 louiecypher Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:51:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213503 <p><i>41 · <B>WalkedOn</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005365.html#comment213484">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Been breezing through this so perhaps I missed this somewhere but anyone ever addressed the desi jumping the line while not in India? Pure irony but while leaving the US Citizenship ceremony last year, a person of Indian heritage - also a brand new American like me, with Flag in hand - cut in front of several of us queuing up in front of the elevator to leave the building. His wife actually elbowed me out of the way just as I was about to step on to the elevator. Yah, the struggle continues. </blockquote> <p>This is rational behavior on her part. I am told there are no accurate models for multistrand elevator cable fracture mechanics and that this evades even the lift savants at Otis. So it is better to be on the Nth trip instead of the N+1 trip. Unless of course she body checked you to get on what turned out to be N+1 and dove headfirst out of this mortal coil and straight into Yama's noose</p> 41 · WalkedOn said

Been breezing through this so perhaps I missed this somewhere but anyone ever addressed the desi jumping the line while not in India? Pure irony but while leaving the US Citizenship ceremony last year, a person of Indian heritage – also a brand new American like me, with Flag in hand – cut in front of several of us queuing up in front of the elevator to leave the building. His wife actually elbowed me out of the way just as I was about to step on to the elevator. Yah, the struggle continues.

This is rational behavior on her part. I am told there are no accurate models for multistrand elevator cable fracture mechanics and that this evades even the lift savants at Otis. So it is better to be on the Nth trip instead of the N+1 trip. Unless of course she body checked you to get on what turned out to be N+1 and dove headfirst out of this mortal coil and straight into Yama’s noose

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-1/#comment-213501 Amitabh Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:07:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213501 <p>Try getting off the Delhi Metro...not only is everyone else trying to get off along with you, but you have to push against all the people trying to get in at the same time. It's the only blemish on what is otherwise an impressive subway system. And really it's not a the system that's the problem, it's the culture of the passengers.</p> Try getting off the Delhi Metro…not only is everyone else trying to get off along with you, but you have to push against all the people trying to get in at the same time. It’s the only blemish on what is otherwise an impressive subway system. And really it’s not a the system that’s the problem, it’s the culture of the passengers.

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By: umair http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-1/#comment-213494 umair Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:10:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213494 <p>My gora boss went to India a few years ago and commented on how everytime the the railroad crossing arms went down on the road crossing, both sides would not form a line. On both sides, the traffic would fall into oncoming lane and it would take more time to sort it all out than if they'd stay in their lanes. He joked about it and asked me if this happened in my native Pakistan (it does) as well.</p> My gora boss went to India a few years ago and commented on how everytime the the railroad crossing arms went down on the road crossing, both sides would not form a line. On both sides, the traffic would fall into oncoming lane and it would take more time to sort it all out than if they’d stay in their lanes. He joked about it and asked me if this happened in my native Pakistan (it does) as well.

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By: Manu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/25/countries_queue/comment-page-1/#comment-213492 Manu Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:07:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5365#comment-213492 <blockquote>"sakshi's law" Link please? ;) Here.</blockquote> <p>I see your point in the first link <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS286US286&q=Why+do+you+feel+it+is+demeaning%3F+We+are+Respecting+one+another.">here</a></p> “sakshi’s law” Link please? ;) Here.

I see your point in the first link here

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