Comments on: Why Joe Biden? Answer: Pakistan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Desidude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213344 Desidude Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:07:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213344 <p>To vv vvaraiya,</p> <p>No Black or Asian would ever have a shot at the presidency with this track record, but this is affirmative action for white people.</p> <p><i>And what track record does the chosen one Obama have? How many legistlative accomplishments? 143 days in the U.S. Senate? A "community organizer"? Voted the most liberal member of the Senate,notwithstanding his claims of bipartisanship? Attended a racist church for 20 years, inspite of calling himself "post-racial"? Zero executive experience?.</i></p> <p><i>Obama is the ultimate AA candidate</i></p> To vv vvaraiya,

No Black or Asian would ever have a shot at the presidency with this track record, but this is affirmative action for white people.

And what track record does the chosen one Obama have? How many legistlative accomplishments? 143 days in the U.S. Senate? A “community organizer”? Voted the most liberal member of the Senate,notwithstanding his claims of bipartisanship? Attended a racist church for 20 years, inspite of calling himself “post-racial”? Zero executive experience?.

Obama is the ultimate AA candidate

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213343 Manju Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:04:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213343 <p><i>120 · <B>vv vvaraiya.</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005360.html#comment213337">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>but this is affirmative action for white people.</blockquote> <p>must add class to the equation. it AA for white people with pedigree, like bush and gore getting into the ivys. poor whites get hosed.</p> 120 · vv vvaraiya. said

but this is affirmative action for white people.

must add class to the equation. it AA for white people with pedigree, like bush and gore getting into the ivys. poor whites get hosed.

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By: vv vvaraiya. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213337 vv vvaraiya. Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:05:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213337 <p>Valmiki:</p> <blockquote>As for McCains acclaimed status as a "war hero", here is what an actual war hero David Hackworth had to say about that:</blockquote> <p>A bit harsh in IMHO. I give McCain the benefit of doubt about being an honorable soldier, and his long and difficult imprisonment.</p> <p>However, as I've said before, McCain is affirmative action for white people.<br /> -- He was admitted to the Naval Academy based on being the scion of a distinguished military family (not his high school grades). -- At the academy he secured a rank 5th from the bottom.<br /> -- Because of his political clout he secured a pilot's position -- these are generally reserved for the brightest cadets.<br /> -- In the war he served with valor. However, he wasn't hero in normal sense... there are no great victories or tactics attributable to him. -- At age 40 his wife accused him of acting like a carousing 25-year-old, when he divorced her (while openly living another woman).</p> <p>No Black or Asian would ever have a shot at the presidency with this track record, but this is affirmative action for white people.</p> Valmiki:

As for McCains acclaimed status as a “war hero”, here is what an actual war hero David Hackworth had to say about that:

A bit harsh in IMHO. I give McCain the benefit of doubt about being an honorable soldier, and his long and difficult imprisonment.

However, as I’ve said before, McCain is affirmative action for white people.
– He was admitted to the Naval Academy based on being the scion of a distinguished military family (not his high school grades). – At the academy he secured a rank 5th from the bottom.
– Because of his political clout he secured a pilot’s position — these are generally reserved for the brightest cadets.
– In the war he served with valor. However, he wasn’t hero in normal sense… there are no great victories or tactics attributable to him. – At age 40 his wife accused him of acting like a carousing 25-year-old, when he divorced her (while openly living another woman).

No Black or Asian would ever have a shot at the presidency with this track record, but this is affirmative action for white people.

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By: cc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213336 cc Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:39:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213336 <p><i>85 · <B><A href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/" rel=nofollow>SM Intern</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005360.html#comment213298">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><B>Let me remind everyone that this post is about the pros and cons of Biden as a VP candidate and more specifically his knowledge of South Asia in general and Pakistan in specific. If you guys want to get into a food fight about whether Dems are better than Republicans or vice versa or whose dick is bigger please take it elsewhere. There are lots of political websites like DailyKos, RedState.com etc where your bombastic comments would be more appropriate. At SM we try to maintain a higher level of discourse by means of stricter moderation whenever possible. This makes the reading more enjoyable for the vast majority of readers.Thanks.</B> </blockquote> <p>Yeah, that worked.</p> 85 · SM Intern said

Let me remind everyone that this post is about the pros and cons of Biden as a VP candidate and more specifically his knowledge of South Asia in general and Pakistan in specific. If you guys want to get into a food fight about whether Dems are better than Republicans or vice versa or whose dick is bigger please take it elsewhere. There are lots of political websites like DailyKos, RedState.com etc where your bombastic comments would be more appropriate. At SM we try to maintain a higher level of discourse by means of stricter moderation whenever possible. This makes the reading more enjoyable for the vast majority of readers.Thanks.

Yeah, that worked.

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By: vv varaiya.. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213335 vv varaiya.. Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:05:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213335 <p>If Obama were to win, it could set up an unusual scenario. Most likely Biden would not run for the Presidency in 2016. Biden would be 73 in 2016. For 16-years the vice-president not running for the top post is peculiar.</p> If Obama were to win, it could set up an unusual scenario. Most likely Biden would not run for the Presidency in 2016. Biden would be 73 in 2016. For 16-years the vice-president not running for the top post is peculiar.

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By: kusala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213334 kusala Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:26:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213334 <p><i>60 · <b><a href="http://www.thelangarhall.com">Camille</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005360.html#comment213273">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Barack getting HIV-tested with Michelle is also relevant because they did so to set an example in a part of a country [Kenya] where HIV/AIDS testing is HIGHLY stigmatized. There was an element of distinguishing that he did not get tested WITH Joe Biden, but I think it had much less to do with homophobia than with contextualizing that HIV/AIDS is not a "gay disease."</blockquote> <p>With all respect, I think you're really being blindly forgiving here. I hadn't heard of this incident until now and rewatching that clip a couple times REALLY grates on me. I find it offensive. He is NOT contextualizing that "it's not a gay disease" and he's DEFINITELY not making any connection to the fact that it happened in Kenya (thought that may have been a laudable impetus for the testing in the first place).</p> <p>The way he clearly says, "I just <i>gotta</i> make it clear here... I got tested <i>with Michelle</i>" and shows a bit of a smirk. Yeah, borderline offensive, unfortunately (and yes I give him the benefit of the doubt, he didn't plan it, it just came out that way -- humans say dumb things). I don't like the sound of it. But oh well, whaddaya gonna do? I'm still voting Barry, of course.</p> 60 · Camille said

Barack getting HIV-tested with Michelle is also relevant because they did so to set an example in a part of a country [Kenya] where HIV/AIDS testing is HIGHLY stigmatized. There was an element of distinguishing that he did not get tested WITH Joe Biden, but I think it had much less to do with homophobia than with contextualizing that HIV/AIDS is not a “gay disease.”

With all respect, I think you’re really being blindly forgiving here. I hadn’t heard of this incident until now and rewatching that clip a couple times REALLY grates on me. I find it offensive. He is NOT contextualizing that “it’s not a gay disease” and he’s DEFINITELY not making any connection to the fact that it happened in Kenya (thought that may have been a laudable impetus for the testing in the first place).

The way he clearly says, “I just gotta make it clear here… I got tested with Michelle” and shows a bit of a smirk. Yeah, borderline offensive, unfortunately (and yes I give him the benefit of the doubt, he didn’t plan it, it just came out that way — humans say dumb things). I don’t like the sound of it. But oh well, whaddaya gonna do? I’m still voting Barry, of course.

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By: kusala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213333 kusala Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:02:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213333 <p>Yeah, I guess he's fine, more or less.</p> <p>I'm just not feeling it. At all.</p> <p>I hope all this doesn't end badly.</p> Yeah, I guess he’s fine, more or less.

I’m just not feeling it. At all.

I hope all this doesn’t end badly.

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By: Valmiki http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213332 Valmiki Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:16:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213332 <p>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hXRHkYwdYFfYT4R2Xa3ihL_lzbJAD92O9CO80</p> <p>"From confronting Russia to dealing with climate change, Barack Obama's selection of Sen. Joe Biden as his vice presidential candidate Saturday was seen abroad as adding weight and depth to the foreign policy of a potential Obama administration. European analysts said the crisis in the Caucasus provided an appropriate backdrop to Biden's nomination."</p> <p>"Biden owes his selection to (Russian Prime Minister Vladimir) Putin," said French political analyst Dominique Moisi. "Russia's invasion of Georgia reinforced the American worry about international tensions." The choice of the foreign affairs veteran was intended to reassure the electorate concerned about Obama's lack of credentials, Moisi said."</p> <p>"In Germany, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel's center-right Christian Democrats, Eckart von Klaeden, said Biden was "an exceptionally good decision, which shows how Obama is trying to organize all elements of the Democratic party behind him."</p> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hXRHkYwdYFfYT4R2Xa3ihL_lzbJAD92O9CO80

“From confronting Russia to dealing with climate change, Barack Obama’s selection of Sen. Joe Biden as his vice presidential candidate Saturday was seen abroad as adding weight and depth to the foreign policy of a potential Obama administration. European analysts said the crisis in the Caucasus provided an appropriate backdrop to Biden’s nomination.”

“Biden owes his selection to (Russian Prime Minister Vladimir) Putin,” said French political analyst Dominique Moisi. “Russia’s invasion of Georgia reinforced the American worry about international tensions.” The choice of the foreign affairs veteran was intended to reassure the electorate concerned about Obama’s lack of credentials, Moisi said.”

“In Germany, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s center-right Christian Democrats, Eckart von Klaeden, said Biden was “an exceptionally good decision, which shows how Obama is trying to organize all elements of the Democratic party behind him.”

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213331 Camille Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:08:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213331 <blockquote>Clinton would have brought her supporters in. She would have done everything Biden can do, only better. </blockquote> <p>Including undermine Obama as a presidential candidate for her own gains later down the line? There's no chance for Biden to run for President again; there's also very little risk of him "tanking" his ticket-mate the way Edwards did with Kerry in 2004, or the way Clinton most likely would have done with Obama. Let's get over it and move on to an actual conversation.</p> Clinton would have brought her supporters in. She would have done everything Biden can do, only better.

Including undermine Obama as a presidential candidate for her own gains later down the line? There’s no chance for Biden to run for President again; there’s also very little risk of him “tanking” his ticket-mate the way Edwards did with Kerry in 2004, or the way Clinton most likely would have done with Obama. Let’s get over it and move on to an actual conversation.

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/23/why_joe_biden_a/comment-page-3/#comment-213330 louiecypher Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:21:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5360#comment-213330 <p><i>108 · <B>Valmiki</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005360.html#comment213325">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><BLOCKQUOTE>You know McCain will use this to his advantage in Forsyth County GA,</BLOCKQUOTE> There are way too many posters here who try to be cute and clever. I am sure the adolescents here are impressed with your "wit". Or perhaps you are being serious and actually have no clue that there is a nation called Georgia in the Caucasus, an american ally, which just got crushed in a short war with Russia? </blockquote> <p>Valmiki: You are delusional. For your information Georgia is more than an ally, it is an integral part of the US of A. Ray Charles had Georgia on the brain even. And referring to the Appalachian range as the Caucasus (sic) just because its residents are 95% white is just racist plain & simple. I was in Buckhead last week when this was going down doing what I could... oh the humanity !</p> 108 · Valmiki said

You know McCain will use this to his advantage in Forsyth County GA,
There are way too many posters here who try to be cute and clever. I am sure the adolescents here are impressed with your “wit”. Or perhaps you are being serious and actually have no clue that there is a nation called Georgia in the Caucasus, an american ally, which just got crushed in a short war with Russia?

Valmiki: You are delusional. For your information Georgia is more than an ally, it is an integral part of the US of A. Ray Charles had Georgia on the brain even. And referring to the Appalachian range as the Caucasus (sic) just because its residents are 95% white is just racist plain & simple. I was in Buckhead last week when this was going down doing what I could… oh the humanity !

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