Comments on: Art: Nandalal Bose at the Philadelphia Museum http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Himanshu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213174 Himanshu Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:21:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213174 <p>Atul Dodiya is the truth.</p> Atul Dodiya is the truth.

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By: smallpress http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213156 smallpress Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:23:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213156 <p><i>11 · <b>Mod</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005357.html#comment213134">said</a></i></p> <blockquote><i>10 · <b>Aniruddha</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005357.html#comment213119" rel="nofollow">said</a></i> <blockquote>It is quite amazing just how many people in every day conversation casually suggest that the "West" has a monopoly on modernity.</blockquote> What exactly is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernity" rel="nofollow">modernity</a>? If you want to use it as a signifier of the 'present' times as opposed to the 'old' times as is frequently used colloquially by English speaking Indians then it is one thing. But the article talks about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism" rel="nofollow">modernism</a> which is rooted in a specific western cultural context. I am not sure Indian history or culture accepts or subscribes to this kind of western classification. The attempt by the author to 'universalise' the specific European and later western cultural term is just a means to look at developments in other cultures through a western lens and western categories. An English medium educated, western oriented Indian may try to translate Indian categories into understandable western categories for other's or his own understanding. That is how late twentieth century Indian trends become Indian 'modernism', whatever that means and Indian traditions become Hindu'ism' a religion in the western mould and so on and so forth! </blockquote> <p>========================== The site you linked also defines Modernism as</p> <blockquote>It is a trend of thought that affirms the power of human beings to create, improve, and reshape their environment, with the aid of scientific knowledge, technology or practical experimentation.[1] Modernism encouraged the re-examination of every aspect of existence, from commerce to philosophy, with the goal of finding that which was 'holding back' progress, and replacing it with new, progressive and therefore better, ways of reaching the same end.</blockquote> <p>Is there 'modern' Indian art that encapsulates the above idea which is not necessarily rooted in Western culture?</p> 11 · Mod said

10 · Aniruddha said
It is quite amazing just how many people in every day conversation casually suggest that the “West” has a monopoly on modernity.
What exactly is modernity? If you want to use it as a signifier of the ‘present’ times as opposed to the ‘old’ times as is frequently used colloquially by English speaking Indians then it is one thing. But the article talks about modernism which is rooted in a specific western cultural context. I am not sure Indian history or culture accepts or subscribes to this kind of western classification. The attempt by the author to ‘universalise’ the specific European and later western cultural term is just a means to look at developments in other cultures through a western lens and western categories. An English medium educated, western oriented Indian may try to translate Indian categories into understandable western categories for other’s or his own understanding. That is how late twentieth century Indian trends become Indian ‘modernism’, whatever that means and Indian traditions become Hindu’ism’ a religion in the western mould and so on and so forth!

========================== The site you linked also defines Modernism as

It is a trend of thought that affirms the power of human beings to create, improve, and reshape their environment, with the aid of scientific knowledge, technology or practical experimentation.[1] Modernism encouraged the re-examination of every aspect of existence, from commerce to philosophy, with the goal of finding that which was ‘holding back’ progress, and replacing it with new, progressive and therefore better, ways of reaching the same end.

Is there ‘modern’ Indian art that encapsulates the above idea which is not necessarily rooted in Western culture?

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By: Mod http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213134 Mod Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:57:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213134 <p><i>10 · <B>Aniruddha</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005357.html#comment213119">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>It is quite amazing just how many people in every day conversation casually suggest that the "West" has a monopoly on modernity.</blockquote> <p>What exactly is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernity">modernity</a>? If you want to use it as a signifier of the 'present' times as opposed to the 'old' times as is frequently used colloquially by English speaking Indians then it is one thing. But the article talks about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism">modernism</a> which is rooted in a specific western cultural context. I am not sure Indian history or culture accepts or subscribes to this kind of western classification. The attempt by the author to 'universalise' the specific European and later western cultural term is just a means to look at developments in other cultures through a western lens and western categories. An English medium educated, western oriented Indian may try to translate Indian categories into understandable western categories for other's or his own understanding. That is how late twentieth century Indian trends become Indian 'modernism', whatever that means and Indian traditions become Hindu'ism' a religion in the western mould and so on and so forth!</p> <p>By the way, Nandalal Boses' works displayed here look excellent, but Atul Dodiya's works don't speak to me.</p> 10 · Aniruddha said

It is quite amazing just how many people in every day conversation casually suggest that the “West” has a monopoly on modernity.

What exactly is modernity? If you want to use it as a signifier of the ‘present’ times as opposed to the ‘old’ times as is frequently used colloquially by English speaking Indians then it is one thing. But the article talks about modernism which is rooted in a specific western cultural context. I am not sure Indian history or culture accepts or subscribes to this kind of western classification. The attempt by the author to ‘universalise’ the specific European and later western cultural term is just a means to look at developments in other cultures through a western lens and western categories. An English medium educated, western oriented Indian may try to translate Indian categories into understandable western categories for other’s or his own understanding. That is how late twentieth century Indian trends become Indian ‘modernism’, whatever that means and Indian traditions become Hindu’ism’ a religion in the western mould and so on and so forth!

By the way, Nandalal Boses’ works displayed here look excellent, but Atul Dodiya’s works don’t speak to me.

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By: Aniruddha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213119 Aniruddha Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:32:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213119 <p>The NYT article covering the exhibition began with the following comment which I think is REALLY important.</p> <p>"Along with detailed information about one artist’s life and times, the show delivers a significant piece of news, or what is still probably news to many people: that modernism wasn’t a purely Western product sent out like so many CARE packages to a hungry and waiting world. It was a phenomenon that unfolded everywhere, in different forms, at different speeds, for different reasons, under different pressures"</p> <p>It is quite amazing just how many people in every day conversation casually suggest that the "West" has a monopoly on modernity.</p> The NYT article covering the exhibition began with the following comment which I think is REALLY important.

“Along with detailed information about one artist’s life and times, the show delivers a significant piece of news, or what is still probably news to many people: that modernism wasn’t a purely Western product sent out like so many CARE packages to a hungry and waiting world. It was a phenomenon that unfolded everywhere, in different forms, at different speeds, for different reasons, under different pressures”

It is quite amazing just how many people in every day conversation casually suggest that the “West” has a monopoly on modernity.

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By: smallpress http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213107 smallpress Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:50:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213107 <p>Nice post, Amardeep. I find most Indian art work, with notable exceptions of course, derivative, Frieda Kahlo inspired, too much of "women oppressed" or some kind of iconoclast which is also derivative. While Ravi Varma is indeed lovely and quite intriguing, and definitely a style unto himself, his Botticelli inspired rotund pink bodies and chubby faces are also a bit disturbing. For all these reasons the work titled New Clouds that you have mentioned is particularly interesting. I think Indian modern art depicting tribals seems to capture a more nuanced idea of India, and produces most original and successful work. Thanks for sharing this lovely exhibit.</p> Nice post, Amardeep. I find most Indian art work, with notable exceptions of course, derivative, Frieda Kahlo inspired, too much of “women oppressed” or some kind of iconoclast which is also derivative. While Ravi Varma is indeed lovely and quite intriguing, and definitely a style unto himself, his Botticelli inspired rotund pink bodies and chubby faces are also a bit disturbing. For all these reasons the work titled New Clouds that you have mentioned is particularly interesting. I think Indian modern art depicting tribals seems to capture a more nuanced idea of India, and produces most original and successful work. Thanks for sharing this lovely exhibit.

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By: Yo Dad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213102 Yo Dad Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:42:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213102 <p>Amardeep: Thanks for the post. I second the comment by Condekedar @ 1. I sent this inf. yesterday to my high school buddy <b>Amit Amabalal </b>from Ahmedabad. I met M. F. Hussain at his son's wedding few years ago. He is a big name in India, exhibiting at various art galleries of Asia and Europe. His style is unique and he has written a classical book on <b>Nathadwara</b> Paintings, depicting Lord Krishna. Of course, Nandlal Bose is a worldwide phenomenon. I might drive up to Philly to see this. Thanks again.</p> Amardeep: Thanks for the post. I second the comment by Condekedar @ 1. I sent this inf. yesterday to my high school buddy Amit Amabalal from Ahmedabad. I met M. F. Hussain at his son’s wedding few years ago. He is a big name in India, exhibiting at various art galleries of Asia and Europe. His style is unique and he has written a classical book on Nathadwara Paintings, depicting Lord Krishna. Of course, Nandlal Bose is a worldwide phenomenon. I might drive up to Philly to see this. Thanks again.

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By: Vivek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213078 Vivek Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:46:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213078 <p>That painting glorifies Sati, the burning alive of widows.</p> That painting glorifies Sati, the burning alive of widows.

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By: Omar Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213075 Omar Khan Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:31:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213075 <p>A really good book on all of this is Partha Mitter's Art and Nationalism in Colonial India 1850-1922, though unavailable at Amazon it can be gotten from libraries.</p> A really good book on all of this is Partha Mitter’s Art and Nationalism in Colonial India 1850-1922, though unavailable at Amazon it can be gotten from libraries.

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By: nil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213071 nil Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:50:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213071 <p>Thanks for this post. would love to see more India contemporary art discussed on SM. I know the numbers may be limited but there are desis in the visual arts out there. I've always thought that a lot of early 20th century Indian art was heavily derivative of European modernism but recently have been noticing uniquely Indian traits.</p> Thanks for this post. would love to see more India contemporary art discussed on SM. I know the numbers may be limited but there are desis in the visual arts out there. I’ve always thought that a lot of early 20th century Indian art was heavily derivative of European modernism but recently have been noticing uniquely Indian traits.

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By: DesiInNJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/20/art_nandalal_bo/comment-page-1/#comment-213069 DesiInNJ Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:37:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5357#comment-213069 <p>Jamini Roy is one of the most underrated artist of India. Hundreds of Art Galleries have sprung up in Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Pune etc. Anyone can get a copy made of any painting, including original artist signature. I would recommend any serious collector to only work with established Art Galleries.</p> Jamini Roy is one of the most underrated artist of India. Hundreds of Art Galleries have sprung up in Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Pune etc. Anyone can get a copy made of any painting, including original artist signature. I would recommend any serious collector to only work with established Art Galleries.

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