Comments on: Barack Obama: “I’m a desi” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: TheBrownChamp http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-214123 TheBrownChamp Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:30:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-214123 <p>"Pakistan is our ally" - McCain</p> <p>"If there is actionable intelligence, I will not hesistate to strike Pakistan" - Obama</p> <p>I wonder if these type of quotes will bring in older Indians toward Obama.</p> “Pakistan is our ally” – McCain

“If there is actionable intelligence, I will not hesistate to strike Pakistan” – Obama

I wonder if these type of quotes will bring in older Indians toward Obama.

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By: Smee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-213357 Smee Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:39:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-213357 <p>When my mom read that he had said that, she called me and said, "See? Even a half-black, half-white boy can make daal but you can't". Dude, Obama is one of the only democratic candidates who I have been able to related to, partially because he seems to understand the nuances of racial and cultural identity. On a sadder note, I heard an uncle (CPM supporter, no less) at a desi get-together claim that he could never for a "kala". That depressed me like no other.</p> When my mom read that he had said that, she called me and said, “See? Even a half-black, half-white boy can make daal but you can’t”. Dude, Obama is one of the only democratic candidates who I have been able to related to, partially because he seems to understand the nuances of racial and cultural identity. On a sadder note, I heard an uncle (CPM supporter, no less) at a desi get-together claim that he could never for a “kala”. That depressed me like no other.

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By: Doug http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-213082 Doug Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:39:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-213082 <p><i>21 · <B><A href="mailto:smallpress@ymail.com" rel=nofollow>smallpress</A></B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005350.html#comment212771">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>“White skin notwithstanding, this is our first black president. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, he displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas…� This is not all that Morrison said. There was a lot more irony and not a whole lot of joy in what she wrote in that essay. Unfortunately this gets spinned into some grotesque anointment of Clinton by the famous writer. She actually did no such thing.This is what Morrison actually said in the summer of 1998, at the height of lynch season for Bill Clinton: <BLOCKQUOTE>African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President's body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and bodysearched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? <B>The message was clear "No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and--who knows?--maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us."</B> For a large segment of the population who are not African-Americans or members of other minorities, the elusive story left visible tracks: from target sighted to attack, to criminalization, to lynching, and now, in some quarters, to crucifixion. The always and already guilty "perp" is being hunted down not by a prosecutor's obsessive application of law but by a different kind of pursuer, one who makes new laws out of the shards of those he breaks.</BLOCKQUOTE> If there is some parallel being drawn to Obama as the first desi President – heaven help him. </blockquote> <p>Man I hated when folks said Bill was the first black president and this guy who wrote that stereotyped so bad it made my head hurt reading it. I have never and I mean ever considered Bill the first black president and don't give that joker to me when he is acting a fool in the white house or eating Mcdonalds yes I know all black people do that. Bill showed his true colors.</p> 21 · smallpress said

“White skin notwithstanding, this is our first black president. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, he displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas…� This is not all that Morrison said. There was a lot more irony and not a whole lot of joy in what she wrote in that essay. Unfortunately this gets spinned into some grotesque anointment of Clinton by the famous writer. She actually did no such thing.This is what Morrison actually said in the summer of 1998, at the height of lynch season for Bill Clinton:
African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President’s body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and bodysearched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear “No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and–who knows?–maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us.” For a large segment of the population who are not African-Americans or members of other minorities, the elusive story left visible tracks: from target sighted to attack, to criminalization, to lynching, and now, in some quarters, to crucifixion. The always and already guilty “perp” is being hunted down not by a prosecutor’s obsessive application of law but by a different kind of pursuer, one who makes new laws out of the shards of those he breaks.
If there is some parallel being drawn to Obama as the first desi President – heaven help him.

Man I hated when folks said Bill was the first black president and this guy who wrote that stereotyped so bad it made my head hurt reading it. I have never and I mean ever considered Bill the first black president and don’t give that joker to me when he is acting a fool in the white house or eating Mcdonalds yes I know all black people do that. Bill showed his true colors.

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By: Admin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-212999 Admin Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:28:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-212999 <blockquote>#56 is ok. And #59? and #70? It's your blog, but some uniformity in policy enforcement would make it a better place.</blockquote> <p>I got tired of deleting, I have a life too. Maybe after I eat dinner. Next time don't participate. I had to delete a lot of yours too.</p> #56 is ok. And #59? and #70? It’s your blog, but some uniformity in policy enforcement would make it a better place.

I got tired of deleting, I have a life too. Maybe after I eat dinner. Next time don’t participate. I had to delete a lot of yours too.

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By: trolls? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-212998 trolls? Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:23:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-212998 <p><i>75 · <b><a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com" rel="nofollow">Admin</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005350.html#comment212997">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>abusive, illiterate</blockquote> <h1>56 is ok. And #59? and #70? It's your blog, but some uniformity in policy enforcement would make it a better place.</h1> 75 · Admin said

abusive, illiterate

56 is ok. And #59? and #70? It’s your blog, but some uniformity in policy enforcement would make it a better place.

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By: Admin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-212997 Admin Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:20:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-212997 <p><b>You may have noticed many comments deleted and commenters banned. SM is not the place to argue like school children about something irrelevant to the post:</b></p> <p><b>abusive, illiterate, content-free</b> or commercial comments; personal, non-issue-focused flames; intolerant or anti-secular comments; and long, obscure rants may be deleted.</p> You may have noticed many comments deleted and commenters banned. SM is not the place to argue like school children about something irrelevant to the post:

abusive, illiterate, content-free or commercial comments; personal, non-issue-focused flames; intolerant or anti-secular comments; and long, obscure rants may be deleted.

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-212987 Harbeer Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:45:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-212987 <p><i>92 · <b><a href="http://hardyharhar.livejournal.com" rel="nofollow">Harbeer</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005350.html#comment212986">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Ideologically purity is Satan.</blockquote> <p>That should read "Ideological purity is Satan."</p> 92 · Harbeer said

Ideologically purity is Satan.

That should read “Ideological purity is Satan.”

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-212986 Harbeer Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:41:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-212986 <p><i>84 · <b>Shazam</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005350.html#comment212978">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Its not just brahmins obviously as we can see by the highly emotional defensiveness of PS, Harbeer and Amitabh.</blockquote> <p>You just refuse to see this from any but your own dualistic black/white perspective. My pride in my heritage has no bearing on how I treat others and move through the world--if anything, I'm probably <i>more </i>critical of my own people than I am of "others"--and I willingly own the "bad" aspects of this group identity along with the stuff that makes me proud. Here's an analogy: I'm also an anarchist who is proud to identify as American, even though I'm theoretically against any hierarchical state and the US has done plenty of things I wish it hadn't. I don't feel the need to erase our historical and cultural distinctions, I don't see how their maintenance <i>necessarily </i>implies a subordination of "the other," and I'm not confused I'm just comfortable with contradictions. Ideologically purity is Satan.</p> 84 · Shazam said

Its not just brahmins obviously as we can see by the highly emotional defensiveness of PS, Harbeer and Amitabh.

You just refuse to see this from any but your own dualistic black/white perspective. My pride in my heritage has no bearing on how I treat others and move through the world–if anything, I’m probably more critical of my own people than I am of “others”–and I willingly own the “bad” aspects of this group identity along with the stuff that makes me proud. Here’s an analogy: I’m also an anarchist who is proud to identify as American, even though I’m theoretically against any hierarchical state and the US has done plenty of things I wish it hadn’t. I don’t feel the need to erase our historical and cultural distinctions, I don’t see how their maintenance necessarily implies a subordination of “the other,” and I’m not confused I’m just comfortable with contradictions. Ideologically purity is Satan.

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By: RahulD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-212975 RahulD Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:29:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-212975 <p>81 · Amitabh : <i>Dude, EVERYONE knows about that song already! It's old...</i></p> <p>Walter Whitman (May 31, 1819 - March 26, 1892) Song of Myself - 1856</p> <p>Amardeep wrote about <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005278.html">Rabbi</a> a little while ago, but I was at work and couldn't listen to the videos and later forgot about it. For whatever reasons you posted the link, I did listen to it and it was pretty good. TY</p> 81 · Amitabh : Dude, EVERYONE knows about that song already! It’s old…

Walter Whitman (May 31, 1819 – March 26, 1892) Song of Myself – 1856

Amardeep wrote about Rabbi a little while ago, but I was at work and couldn’t listen to the videos and later forgot about it. For whatever reasons you posted the link, I did listen to it and it was pretty good. TY

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/17/barack_obama_im/comment-page-2/#comment-212973 Amitabh Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:18:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5350#comment-212973 <blockquote>Here's one for you: Sufi Kalam sung by a Sikh. Sublime! Rabbi: Bulla Ki Jaana Maen Kaun </blockquote> <p>Dude, EVERYONE knows about that song already! It's old...</p> Here’s one for you: Sufi Kalam sung by a Sikh. Sublime! Rabbi: Bulla Ki Jaana Maen Kaun

Dude, EVERYONE knows about that song already! It’s old…

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