Comments on: The Day the Music Died http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212664 Manju Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:43:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212664 <blockquote>Musicians cannot play in nightclubs and other entertainment hubs where alcohol is served. Their means of livelihood is struck at! Screw the drinking and dancing- pseudo concerns of the Upper class elite. Issue in Focus- 'Musicians have to feed their families too.'</blockquote> <blockquote>Nidhi, thank you for providing such a valuable comment-- and one which is on topic, too.</blockquote> <p>Well, a careful reading of MoorNam's iconoclastic comments reveals that was his point too. Only he funnelled it crypticly thru oil.</p> Musicians cannot play in nightclubs and other entertainment hubs where alcohol is served. Their means of livelihood is struck at! Screw the drinking and dancing- pseudo concerns of the Upper class elite. Issue in Focus- ‘Musicians have to feed their families too.’
Nidhi, thank you for providing such a valuable comment– and one which is on topic, too.

Well, a careful reading of MoorNam’s iconoclastic comments reveals that was his point too. Only he funnelled it crypticly thru oil.

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By: Nanda http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212644 Nanda Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:44:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212644 <p>I've never understood Bangalore - seems so full of contradictions. A lot of my cousins grew up in Bangalore and were so proud of their city. Every bangalorean rejoiced when the city became the centre of the IT revolution, and complained at the same time about a migrant population overcrowding the city, destroying its serenity, etc. When pubs like NASA opened up in bangalore a decade ago, it was considered a big cultural revolution - the sleazy, road-side, behind-closed-doors, arrack selling "wine-shop" image disappeared, and the population thought it was step-up the cultural ladder to even be sitting in such a bar, drinking the same old beer. Now, things have come around a full circle, and the same old pubs are now turning sleazy after 11. A new shopping mall in a suburb, like one of the 'Forum's, is the locality's pride and excitement, while the traffic jam that results, is an eternal source of complaint.</p> <p>I've never lived in bangalore, and I fail to understand the city's pulse. But it appears to me that neither the people residing there, nor the local government actually knows what they truly want from their city. Is it the green parks, which Bangalore used to be so famous for, or the million Hyundai Santros that are being driven around, at the same speed as the bicyclist of the past? Maybe this is every Indian city's predicament.</p> I’ve never understood Bangalore – seems so full of contradictions. A lot of my cousins grew up in Bangalore and were so proud of their city. Every bangalorean rejoiced when the city became the centre of the IT revolution, and complained at the same time about a migrant population overcrowding the city, destroying its serenity, etc. When pubs like NASA opened up in bangalore a decade ago, it was considered a big cultural revolution – the sleazy, road-side, behind-closed-doors, arrack selling “wine-shop” image disappeared, and the population thought it was step-up the cultural ladder to even be sitting in such a bar, drinking the same old beer. Now, things have come around a full circle, and the same old pubs are now turning sleazy after 11. A new shopping mall in a suburb, like one of the ‘Forum’s, is the locality’s pride and excitement, while the traffic jam that results, is an eternal source of complaint.

I’ve never lived in bangalore, and I fail to understand the city’s pulse. But it appears to me that neither the people residing there, nor the local government actually knows what they truly want from their city. Is it the green parks, which Bangalore used to be so famous for, or the million Hyundai Santros that are being driven around, at the same speed as the bicyclist of the past? Maybe this is every Indian city’s predicament.

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By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212638 SM Intern Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:27:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212638 <p><i>67 · <b><a href="mailto:generalinherlabyrinth@gmail.com">Nidhi</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005339.html#comment212633">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Musicians cannot play in nightclubs and other entertainment hubs where alcohol is served. Their means of livelihood is struck at! Screw the drinking and dancing- pseudo concerns of the Upper class elite. Issue in Focus- 'Musicians have to feed their families too.'</blockquote> <p>Nidhi, thank you for providing such a valuable comment-- and one which is <b>on topic</b>, too.</p> 67 · Nidhi said

Musicians cannot play in nightclubs and other entertainment hubs where alcohol is served. Their means of livelihood is struck at! Screw the drinking and dancing- pseudo concerns of the Upper class elite. Issue in Focus- ‘Musicians have to feed their families too.’

Nidhi, thank you for providing such a valuable comment– and one which is on topic, too.

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By: Nidhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212633 Nidhi Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:09:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212633 <p>For what it's worth: You're missing the <em>point</em> of the protest.</p> <p>Musicians cannot play in nightclubs and other entertainment hubs where alcohol is served. Their means of livelihood is struck at! Screw the drinking and dancing- pseudo concerns of the Upper class elite. Issue in Focus- 'Musicians have to feed their families too.'</p> <p>And the Police Commissioner is right- there is no ban- these 'oh-we-are-being-victimised' establishments have to conform to the LAW and obtain licences to operate. PERMISSION- APPLY- OPERATE.</p> <p>p.s.- check facts before arriving at conclusions-Karnad's espousing the cause of the Musicians- not the Alcoholics!</p> For what it’s worth: You’re missing the point of the protest.

Musicians cannot play in nightclubs and other entertainment hubs where alcohol is served. Their means of livelihood is struck at! Screw the drinking and dancing- pseudo concerns of the Upper class elite. Issue in Focus- ‘Musicians have to feed their families too.’

And the Police Commissioner is right- there is no ban- these ‘oh-we-are-being-victimised’ establishments have to conform to the LAW and obtain licences to operate. PERMISSION- APPLY- OPERATE.

p.s.- check facts before arriving at conclusions-Karnad’s espousing the cause of the Musicians- not the Alcoholics!

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By: rar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212632 rar Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:27:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212632 <p><b>60 · Auntieji declareth boldy </b></p> <p><i>University is expensive and is meant to be utilized to get ahead, not party. Spoiled brats partying on mommy and daddy's hard earned money.</p> <p>That's what I'm talking about.</i></p> <p>i dont think the USA ought to take advice from desis regarding the demerits of producing spoiled brats...i live in india and there are a surplus of that type over here unimaginable to most westerners. the whole "mommy daddy's hard earned money" meme is such an empty platitude as well. and actually, University IS meant to be a place to party and NOT to get ahead. one must ask, get ahead of what? please respect our american culture while you are staying there and refrain from promoting your soulless, careerist, illiberal agenda. we are suffering enough with our first MBA president</p> 60 · Auntieji declareth boldy

University is expensive and is meant to be utilized to get ahead, not party. Spoiled brats partying on mommy and daddy’s hard earned money.

That’s what I’m talking about.

i dont think the USA ought to take advice from desis regarding the demerits of producing spoiled brats…i live in india and there are a surplus of that type over here unimaginable to most westerners. the whole “mommy daddy’s hard earned money” meme is such an empty platitude as well. and actually, University IS meant to be a place to party and NOT to get ahead. one must ask, get ahead of what? please respect our american culture while you are staying there and refrain from promoting your soulless, careerist, illiberal agenda. we are suffering enough with our first MBA president

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By: sakshi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212629 sakshi Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:36:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212629 <p>Its like a game of Mario. When something gets in the way, you just find a way to jump around it. You don't ask where it came from. The unclejis deemed it: that's enough. Sometimes the rules change so fast, you can't even keep track. I was partying with some friends in Pune some years ago, when they were going through a strict phase. The place where we were closed down, so my friends told me they'll take me to this super-secret place. So we roamed the various <i>galiya</i> and <i>chaubare</i> between FC and JM Road, till we came to this dirt-crusted metal door. A knock and a shady looking bearded guy peeped through a crack. Then he laughed:'why don't you use the front door like everyone else'. Apparently the police had lost interest in the past month.</p> <p>PS: its not a class issue. Some of the places open after hours are really cheap and admit all kinds. You just have to know where they are.</p> Its like a game of Mario. When something gets in the way, you just find a way to jump around it. You don’t ask where it came from. The unclejis deemed it: that’s enough. Sometimes the rules change so fast, you can’t even keep track. I was partying with some friends in Pune some years ago, when they were going through a strict phase. The place where we were closed down, so my friends told me they’ll take me to this super-secret place. So we roamed the various galiya and chaubare between FC and JM Road, till we came to this dirt-crusted metal door. A knock and a shady looking bearded guy peeped through a crack. Then he laughed:’why don’t you use the front door like everyone else’. Apparently the police had lost interest in the past month.

PS: its not a class issue. Some of the places open after hours are really cheap and admit all kinds. You just have to know where they are.

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By: Uncleji knows best http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212614 Uncleji knows best Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:40:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212614 <blockquote>Aunty ... I will simply call you Bhain if that's all right</blockquote> <p>Sadly, more like <a href="http://www.ecoheritage.cpreec.org/04_03_Sacred%20animals/scared_animals_buffalo.htm">Bhains</a>.</p> Aunty … I will simply call you Bhain if that’s all right

Sadly, more like Bhains.

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By: Dr AmNonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212610 Dr AmNonymous Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:09:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212610 <blockquote>Americans are spoiled and instead of focusing on getting ahead and making something of their lives, they often focus on "partying". Not everyone, but MANY. In fact, Universites in US are rated (by students and aspiring students) according to how much of a party scene is present. Excuse me. University is expensive and is meant to be utilized to get ahead, not party. Spoiled brats partying on mommy and daddy's hard earned money.</blockquote> <p>Then, we realize that we have no marketable skills, take our liberal arts degree (and often debt), and get a job in publishing, public relations, or an NGO. Then after 2 years they go to law school or get an MBA and get more debt/credentials. Then, we get another job, and go on to administrate the world's economy, to our own benefit--and specialize in marketing or selling or claiming the profits off of other people's work and resources. Or we do have marketable skills and go work for an investment bank and get rich and burnt out in the process from the very beginning, while moving electronic "money" around from one account to another.</p> <p>(this is generally speaking--there are lots of great people from the U.S. doing interesting and great projects as well - like <a href="http://www.ensaaf.org/">this one</a>)</p> <p>Aunty (who I assume is not much older than me, so I will simply call you Bhain if that's all right), the basic story you're telling might have accurate details, but I don't think it's due to the innate superiority and wisdom of Indian youth--having worked in and studied both the India and the U.S., I know that the labor market is much tighter in India at all skill levels and as a result there is much stronger competition for things that can allow you to move up (like education or a visa to go abroad). But in my experience, Indians work much harder than Americans, at least in the liberalized sectors (2 day weekend? what's that?), and have far fewer worker rights. I just don't think it's a good thing...what is it teaching people about their own value and the value of their subordinates?</p> Americans are spoiled and instead of focusing on getting ahead and making something of their lives, they often focus on “partying”. Not everyone, but MANY. In fact, Universites in US are rated (by students and aspiring students) according to how much of a party scene is present. Excuse me. University is expensive and is meant to be utilized to get ahead, not party. Spoiled brats partying on mommy and daddy’s hard earned money.

Then, we realize that we have no marketable skills, take our liberal arts degree (and often debt), and get a job in publishing, public relations, or an NGO. Then after 2 years they go to law school or get an MBA and get more debt/credentials. Then, we get another job, and go on to administrate the world’s economy, to our own benefit–and specialize in marketing or selling or claiming the profits off of other people’s work and resources. Or we do have marketable skills and go work for an investment bank and get rich and burnt out in the process from the very beginning, while moving electronic “money” around from one account to another.

(this is generally speaking–there are lots of great people from the U.S. doing interesting and great projects as well – like this one)

Aunty (who I assume is not much older than me, so I will simply call you Bhain if that’s all right), the basic story you’re telling might have accurate details, but I don’t think it’s due to the innate superiority and wisdom of Indian youth–having worked in and studied both the India and the U.S., I know that the labor market is much tighter in India at all skill levels and as a result there is much stronger competition for things that can allow you to move up (like education or a visa to go abroad). But in my experience, Indians work much harder than Americans, at least in the liberalized sectors (2 day weekend? what’s that?), and have far fewer worker rights. I just don’t think it’s a good thing…what is it teaching people about their own value and the value of their subordinates?

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212602 Manju Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:58:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212602 <p><i>60 · <B>Auntieji declareth boldy</B> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005339.html#comment212597">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>Americans are spoiled and instead of focusing on getting ahead and making something of their lives, they often focus on "partying".</blockquote> <p>Whoa...this is what's been missing from SM all these years. The real authentic Indian critique of American hegemony. Makes me want to call mom.</p> 60 · Auntieji declareth boldy said

Americans are spoiled and instead of focusing on getting ahead and making something of their lives, they often focus on “partying”.

Whoa…this is what’s been missing from SM all these years. The real authentic Indian critique of American hegemony. Makes me want to call mom.

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By: Susie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/13/the_day_the_mus_1/comment-page-2/#comment-212601 Susie Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:58:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5339#comment-212601 <p>Can I just say how much I love Bangalore, despite the fact that I often now have to get out of the rickshaw when I am but 3/4 of the way to my destination, and walk the rest of the way? That I love Bangalore, even though Pecos only serves Kingfisher and popcorn in a bag? That it can be boring at night, that it's pretty tough NOT dancing...but I'm a chick, so ya know, those Bengalaru boys cannot handle dancing women...just too much after the Vat 69 and smoking flavoured stuff in a hookah on MG Road at um...what the heck was it called? That I love Bangalore because the party is always at night in MY hotel room. Who needs a night club? :P</p> <p>(Oh, I forgot to tell you that I live just North of San Francisco but I stay in Bangalore for one month every year on business! Cant wait for the monorail thingy!)</p> Can I just say how much I love Bangalore, despite the fact that I often now have to get out of the rickshaw when I am but 3/4 of the way to my destination, and walk the rest of the way? That I love Bangalore, even though Pecos only serves Kingfisher and popcorn in a bag? That it can be boring at night, that it’s pretty tough NOT dancing…but I’m a chick, so ya know, those Bengalaru boys cannot handle dancing women…just too much after the Vat 69 and smoking flavoured stuff in a hookah on MG Road at um…what the heck was it called? That I love Bangalore because the party is always at night in MY hotel room. Who needs a night club? :P

(Oh, I forgot to tell you that I live just North of San Francisco but I stay in Bangalore for one month every year on business! Cant wait for the monorail thingy!)

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