Comments on: 150 Days for a Hate Crime http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: funinsnow http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-287191 funinsnow Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:42:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-287191 <p>Satendar Singh-A homosexual who was killed in California 2007 & predictably the BTB sympathized with him. The man who killed him was convicted of lesser charge-assault&battery . But here’s what happened. Satendar Singh was drunk in a park, committing indecency by doing ‘dirty dancing’ & exposing himself where kids could see him. The Russian man with his friend were upset over Satendar Singh’s anti-social conduct & told him that they were going to teach him a lesson, so they hit him a few times. Satendar Singh died, but the men didn’t intend to kill him, only beat him up to teach him a lesson. Yes, the men should’ve called the cops. The jury concluded the man didn’t intend to kill him, & the man who killed Satendar Singh got 5 months in jail. Gay sites complained about the verdict & sentence, yet they didn’t care about Satendar Singh’s anti-social conduct before he was killed. Satendar Singh had no right to expose himself in a park. He should’ve been arrested for indecency. Satendar Singh died because the alcohol slowed down his reaction & the death was negligent but it wasn’t murder because the man didn’t intend to kill him. What I have to say regarding 'gay bashings' is that if a gay is going to be anti-social such as commit indecency as Satendar Singh did or grab a man's butt or groin against will (assault&battery) after which the man reacts by bashing or killing the gay, then while the man reaction or overreaction is to a crime the gay 1st did & I can't sympathize with the gay. I mean if a man were to grab a woman's butt or boobs against her will after which the woman or woman's husband or boyfriend bashes or even kills the man, many wouldn't sympathize (sympathise) with the man on the grounds his anti-social conduct caused the overreaction. What happened to Satendar Singh was excessive force, however the man reacted to a crime that Satendar Singh 1st did which is why I don't sympathize with Satendar Singh as he had no right to behave the way he did.</p> Satendar Singh-A homosexual who was killed in California 2007 & predictably the BTB sympathized with him. The man who killed him was convicted of lesser charge-assault&battery . But here’s what happened. Satendar Singh was drunk in a park, committing indecency by doing ‘dirty dancing’ & exposing himself where kids could see him. The Russian man with his friend were upset over Satendar Singh’s anti-social conduct & told him that they were going to teach him a lesson, so they hit him a few times. Satendar Singh died, but the men didn’t intend to kill him, only beat him up to teach him a lesson. Yes, the men should’ve called the cops. The jury concluded the man didn’t intend to kill him, & the man who killed Satendar Singh got 5 months in jail. Gay sites complained about the verdict & sentence, yet they didn’t care about Satendar Singh’s anti-social conduct before he was killed. Satendar Singh had no right to expose himself in a park. He should’ve been arrested for indecency. Satendar Singh died because the alcohol slowed down his reaction & the death was negligent but it wasn’t murder because the man didn’t intend to kill him. What I have to say regarding ‘gay bashings’ is that if a gay is going to be anti-social such as commit indecency as Satendar Singh did or grab a man’s butt or groin against will (assault&battery) after which the man reacts by bashing or killing the gay, then while the man reaction or overreaction is to a crime the gay 1st did & I can’t sympathize with the gay. I mean if a man were to grab a woman’s butt or boobs against her will after which the woman or woman’s husband or boyfriend bashes or even kills the man, many wouldn’t sympathize (sympathise) with the man on the grounds his anti-social conduct caused the overreaction. What happened to Satendar Singh was excessive force, however the man reacted to a crime that Satendar Singh 1st did which is why I don’t sympathize with Satendar Singh as he had no right to behave the way he did.

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By: Okies http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-213989 Okies Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:50:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-213989 <p>PS, okies got your point. No one was sterotyping anyone. But since you know so much about other racial groups killing their black daughters in law or indulging in slavery, why don't you bring up some cases that has happened in the recent past (and I mean in the 21st century, not going 200 years back). Please do that, and we'll dicsuss. Thanks.</p> PS, okies got your point. No one was sterotyping anyone. But since you know so much about other racial groups killing their black daughters in law or indulging in slavery, why don’t you bring up some cases that has happened in the recent past (and I mean in the 21st century, not going 200 years back). Please do that, and we’ll dicsuss. Thanks.

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By: PS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-212950 PS Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:25:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-212950 <p><i>It's hilarious reading some of the comments here!! I agree with Mills completely. With the kind of attitude most desis have (including so called "educated" folks), it's no surprise that we have heard of so many desi crimes in the recent past....desi prof. killing son's black wife, the Long Is. desi slave traders (and many more of their kind not yet caught), now this desi actor arrested on attempted murder, countless "honor" killings of wives, daughters, daughters-in-law esp around Chicago, illegal desi hitting cop in NJ, and of course, the less reported and unheard of public nuinsances like conducting India day parades on streets and not even hiring someone to clean up their mess but leaving it for the city.</i></p> <p>I don't know why I'm bothering to comment, but turn on any news shows or crime statistics in different ethinic groups and see the amount of violence against women, murders, rapes, public nuiances that nondesi groups commit...It's stupid to sit here and compare but since you are trying to stereotype desis, I suggest you look at crime rates for other ethnic groups (including violence against women,( how many American nondesi women are killed every year while pregnant - there's so many cases that are covered everyday in the news shows). YOu hear a couple of stories (and I'm not saying there isn't more) and then stereotype south asians as a whole - that's kindof weird, when I'm assuming you don't stereotype other ethnicities based on their crimes both anecdotally or statistics. Those people were horrible that were involved in killing their daughter in law, or mistreating their maids, etc, but do you realize how many of those same types of crimes are committed by other ethnic groups, perhaps at a higher rate?</p> <p>Weird conclusions you draw.</p> It’s hilarious reading some of the comments here!! I agree with Mills completely. With the kind of attitude most desis have (including so called “educated” folks), it’s no surprise that we have heard of so many desi crimes in the recent past….desi prof. killing son’s black wife, the Long Is. desi slave traders (and many more of their kind not yet caught), now this desi actor arrested on attempted murder, countless “honor” killings of wives, daughters, daughters-in-law esp around Chicago, illegal desi hitting cop in NJ, and of course, the less reported and unheard of public nuinsances like conducting India day parades on streets and not even hiring someone to clean up their mess but leaving it for the city.

I don’t know why I’m bothering to comment, but turn on any news shows or crime statistics in different ethinic groups and see the amount of violence against women, murders, rapes, public nuiances that nondesi groups commit…It’s stupid to sit here and compare but since you are trying to stereotype desis, I suggest you look at crime rates for other ethnic groups (including violence against women,( how many American nondesi women are killed every year while pregnant – there’s so many cases that are covered everyday in the news shows). YOu hear a couple of stories (and I’m not saying there isn’t more) and then stereotype south asians as a whole – that’s kindof weird, when I’m assuming you don’t stereotype other ethnicities based on their crimes both anecdotally or statistics. Those people were horrible that were involved in killing their daughter in law, or mistreating their maids, etc, but do you realize how many of those same types of crimes are committed by other ethnic groups, perhaps at a higher rate?

Weird conclusions you draw.

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By: PS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-212944 PS Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:12:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-212944 <p><i>There was always a tension in Gandhiian mass mobilization and more generally in Congress's work that authors like Francine Frankel have nicely outlined - the nationalist struggle was led by zamindars, high caste Hindus, the small capitalist elite, and others, but it needed the bulk of the people to support the nationalist movement without demanding too much on class grounds. Here is where Gandhi and non-violence came in handy.</i></p> <p>I understand what your saying and it's been awhile since I've read anything academic on Gandhi - Thanks for that link on Tata and Gandhi. When I said "ascetics and tatas can exist together" i didn't realize how true that was.</p> <p>Gandhi was a spiritual leader and a politican to me. His politics involved not shaking the boat so to speak, among Indians until we get the Brits out. He certainly, at least from my understanding of history, didn't have a problem with strikes against the Brits. But I can see how sometimes he had to compromise positions to unite Indians against the British. I don't know what his ideas would have been had he lived.</p> <p>I commented on the idea that to some commentators India is considered weak - we've had kingdoms and conquests as have most other parts of the world. So many parts of the Europe have been run over by one group or another, and sometimes, like what you see in the Balkans it can still lead to violence and destrucition- based on something that happend in the 13th century. There's nothing weak to me about Ahimsa and satyagraha, and it's much stronger ideas than all out killing at anyone. Was Gandhi a politican - yes and just like I see so many American politicans, he had to compromise (imo) his ideals for what was expediant to keep a united front, against something more sinister.</p> There was always a tension in Gandhiian mass mobilization and more generally in Congress’s work that authors like Francine Frankel have nicely outlined – the nationalist struggle was led by zamindars, high caste Hindus, the small capitalist elite, and others, but it needed the bulk of the people to support the nationalist movement without demanding too much on class grounds. Here is where Gandhi and non-violence came in handy.

I understand what your saying and it’s been awhile since I’ve read anything academic on Gandhi – Thanks for that link on Tata and Gandhi. When I said “ascetics and tatas can exist together” i didn’t realize how true that was.

Gandhi was a spiritual leader and a politican to me. His politics involved not shaking the boat so to speak, among Indians until we get the Brits out. He certainly, at least from my understanding of history, didn’t have a problem with strikes against the Brits. But I can see how sometimes he had to compromise positions to unite Indians against the British. I don’t know what his ideas would have been had he lived.

I commented on the idea that to some commentators India is considered weak – we’ve had kingdoms and conquests as have most other parts of the world. So many parts of the Europe have been run over by one group or another, and sometimes, like what you see in the Balkans it can still lead to violence and destrucition- based on something that happend in the 13th century. There’s nothing weak to me about Ahimsa and satyagraha, and it’s much stronger ideas than all out killing at anyone. Was Gandhi a politican – yes and just like I see so many American politicans, he had to compromise (imo) his ideals for what was expediant to keep a united front, against something more sinister.

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By: Mills http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-212543 Mills Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:13:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-212543 <p>Suki Dillon, Thanks for the input on Dora. I have never heard elsewhere of Dora being an illegal immigrant, but even if it were true, I couldn't care less. For me, it's enough that my son finds it entertaining and educational (it's way easier for kids to pick up Spanish words that way), and I myself like the show and watch it often. In fact, I watch all the TV programs he watches. Besides, I wouldn't want to subject a pre-schooler to ponder on issues of legal and illegal immigration. :) But that's just me.</p> Suki Dillon, Thanks for the input on Dora. I have never heard elsewhere of Dora being an illegal immigrant, but even if it were true, I couldn’t care less. For me, it’s enough that my son finds it entertaining and educational (it’s way easier for kids to pick up Spanish words that way), and I myself like the show and watch it often. In fact, I watch all the TV programs he watches. Besides, I wouldn’t want to subject a pre-schooler to ponder on issues of legal and illegal immigration. :) But that’s just me.

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By: For Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-212541 For Manju Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:04:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-212541 <p>Yup, there is also absolutely no way more than one Kimveer Gill who is on the verge of a shooting spree exists!! :)</p> Yup, there is also absolutely no way more than one Kimveer Gill who is on the verge of a shooting spree exists!! :)

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-212513 Manju Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:34:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-212513 <p>Y'know, there are a bunch of new commentators here spouting Premaisms, coming to his defense, while assuming the bloggers here--who are well known left wing subversives--are actually light-skin obsessed brahman fundamentalists, like myself. There's absolutely no way more than one kimchi-eating tranny on the verge of a shooting spree exists. I suspect foul play.</p> Y’know, there are a bunch of new commentators here spouting Premaisms, coming to his defense, while assuming the bloggers here–who are well known left wing subversives–are actually light-skin obsessed brahman fundamentalists, like myself. There’s absolutely no way more than one kimchi-eating tranny on the verge of a shooting spree exists. I suspect foul play.

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-212512 Suki Dillon Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:34:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-212512 <p><i>spongebob is meant for kids in the age group of 6-9. Will you let your kids watch Little Bill (a black 5 year old), Dora/Diego (Hispanics), Kai-lan (Chinese) for that matter?</i></p> <p>My 9 year old Daughter used to watch all those shows a couple of years ago, but now all she wants to do is play guitar hero and that another story.</p> <p>The only show I wish my daughter had not watched was Dora the Explorer. I just found that Dora and her best friends Boots are illegal immigrants. If you watched the show Dora would speak Spanish to make little kids learn spanish as the 1st part of major plans by the National Council of La Raza to take over the southern United States and claim it back for Mexico.</p> <p>Hopefully American border agent Swiper the Fox will be able to stop Dora, Diego and Boots.</p> spongebob is meant for kids in the age group of 6-9. Will you let your kids watch Little Bill (a black 5 year old), Dora/Diego (Hispanics), Kai-lan (Chinese) for that matter?

My 9 year old Daughter used to watch all those shows a couple of years ago, but now all she wants to do is play guitar hero and that another story.

The only show I wish my daughter had not watched was Dora the Explorer. I just found that Dora and her best friends Boots are illegal immigrants. If you watched the show Dora would speak Spanish to make little kids learn spanish as the 1st part of major plans by the National Council of La Raza to take over the southern United States and claim it back for Mexico.

Hopefully American border agent Swiper the Fox will be able to stop Dora, Diego and Boots.

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-212509 Suki Dillon Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:21:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-212509 <p><i>The 3 (or 4 year old girl) had the audacity to push one of their kids when those future desi gangsters </i></p> <p>Desi kids grow up to be gangsters?</p> The 3 (or 4 year old girl) had the audacity to push one of their kids when those future desi gangsters

Desi kids grow up to be gangsters?

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/08/08/150_days_for_a/comment-page-2/#comment-212507 Suki Dillon Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:18:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5328#comment-212507 <p><i>We desis love to project ourselves as one model minority, and talk of ourselves as one. But if anyone brings up anything we don't wanna hear, we are so quick to condemn the poster.</i></p> <p>This guy or girl brings up a great point.</p> We desis love to project ourselves as one model minority, and talk of ourselves as one. But if anyone brings up anything we don’t wanna hear, we are so quick to condemn the poster.

This guy or girl brings up a great point.

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