Comments on: Why Aren’t Desi Tunes More Popular in the West? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: THE M-A MAN http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-223865 THE M-A MAN Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:10:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-223865 <p>From my own experience, Bollywood artists are not open to the west. That is a fact!</p> From my own experience, Bollywood artists are not open to the west. That is a fact!

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By: ratablap http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-211266 ratablap Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:00:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-211266 <p>furthermore I'll say this and shutup y'all know it, mainstream America kinda like post-culture, streamline, steamline but Ravi Shankar Philip Glass 'Passages' is the sh#$</p> furthermore I’ll say this and shutup y’all know it, mainstream America kinda like post-culture, streamline, steamline but Ravi Shankar Philip Glass ‘Passages’ is the sh#$

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By: ratablap http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-210978 ratablap Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:11:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-210978 <p>i dunno. i think the microscale thing might be a step in the right direction i dont know much about theory well lil wayne lollipop's chorus had something kinda desi about it Asha Bhosle goes over well she kind of has a soft attack that doesnt sound so saturated I think the Americans are fond of the "space" so to speak while alot of Indian music is very indulgent how many notes can we fit into this space I dunno just my two</p> i dunno. i think the microscale thing might be a step in the right direction i dont know much about theory well lil wayne lollipop’s chorus had something kinda desi about it Asha Bhosle goes over well she kind of has a soft attack that doesnt sound so saturated I think the Americans are fond of the “space” so to speak while alot of Indian music is very indulgent how many notes can we fit into this space I dunno just my two

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By: Nanda Kishore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-210796 Nanda Kishore Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:04:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-210796 <p>Does this also mean that Asians are more open minded and can appreciate music from vastly different cultures? :)</p> Does this also mean that Asians are more open minded and can appreciate music from vastly different cultures? :)

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By: Nanda Kishore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-210795 Nanda Kishore Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:01:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-210795 <p>Thanks for the post, btw. Interesting stuff.</p> Thanks for the post, btw. Interesting stuff.

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By: Nanda Kishore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-210794 Nanda Kishore Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:50:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-210794 <p>Vinod, interesting points, but a fair comparison would be how popular Indian stacks up against popular 'Western' music (at least that derived from blues and jazz). Most popular music on either side is well packaged trash, however, there are a lot more artists in the west pushing the envelope in many ways. 4x4 rock and roll / pop is surely more accessible to many more people, but most Indian popular music is just that. If you look at Bollywood, at one point there were three Macarena 'covers' on the TV/radio/the local paan shop. There are exceptions - AR Rahman, Vishal Bharadwaj and Shankar/Ehsaan/Loy. But of all these, none is a patch on the likes of Floyd. Popular Indian music lacks depth and there is not enough experimentation. Ennis or Amardeep wrote a post sometime ago about song writing being a highly personal experience in pop/rock/blues/other derivatives. This is absolutely correct. As with sport, I'm afraid a generation of Indians is only engaged passively with music, as the average listener, not actually experiencing it. The number of Indians who can play an instrument, Indian or Western, is not very high I'm afraid (much more of a concern than olympics medals). This reflects in the talent on display. I cannot comment on classical music though.</p> Vinod, interesting points, but a fair comparison would be how popular Indian stacks up against popular ‘Western’ music (at least that derived from blues and jazz). Most popular music on either side is well packaged trash, however, there are a lot more artists in the west pushing the envelope in many ways. 4×4 rock and roll / pop is surely more accessible to many more people, but most Indian popular music is just that. If you look at Bollywood, at one point there were three Macarena ‘covers’ on the TV/radio/the local paan shop. There are exceptions – AR Rahman, Vishal Bharadwaj and Shankar/Ehsaan/Loy. But of all these, none is a patch on the likes of Floyd. Popular Indian music lacks depth and there is not enough experimentation. Ennis or Amardeep wrote a post sometime ago about song writing being a highly personal experience in pop/rock/blues/other derivatives. This is absolutely correct. As with sport, I’m afraid a generation of Indians is only engaged passively with music, as the average listener, not actually experiencing it. The number of Indians who can play an instrument, Indian or Western, is not very high I’m afraid (much more of a concern than olympics medals). This reflects in the talent on display. I cannot comment on classical music though.

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By: Salvation-London http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-210780 Salvation-London Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:58:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-210780 <p>Don't know what it is but I see some Indian sounds in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrZFbSg_UtE">this party at Salvation-London</a> of all places.</p> Don’t know what it is but I see some Indian sounds in this party at Salvation-London of all places.

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By: Mozartini http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-210759 Mozartini Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:16:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-210759 <p>The post before this one was Singh is Kinng, all about how American Hip-Hop is collaborating with desi music. Now this post saying the twain shall never meet.</p> <p>I don't get it.</p> <p>Only thing is that most popular desi female vocal artists voices are waaaaaaay to shrill for the non-initiated ear. That is the only general drawback. And some of the male classical singers sound like sick cows wailing and mooing with their aaahhhhhh .... uuuuuhhhhhs. You know, those classical ragas where the human voice is made to sound like an instrument. That is also an acquaired taste over time. But stuff like bhangra I can see becoming popular over here.</p> The post before this one was Singh is Kinng, all about how American Hip-Hop is collaborating with desi music. Now this post saying the twain shall never meet.

I don’t get it.

Only thing is that most popular desi female vocal artists voices are waaaaaaay to shrill for the non-initiated ear. That is the only general drawback. And some of the male classical singers sound like sick cows wailing and mooing with their aaahhhhhh …. uuuuuhhhhhs. You know, those classical ragas where the human voice is made to sound like an instrument. That is also an acquaired taste over time. But stuff like bhangra I can see becoming popular over here.

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By: Meena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-210752 Meena Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:21:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-210752 <p><i>74 · <b>jyotsana</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005308.html#comment210727">said</a></i></p> <blockquote> While I am sure there are many obscure WCM composers who have ccreated truly philosophically rich works, the large mass of WCM from the times of Bach till the advent of Impressionists in the late 19th century, deals with very simple themes, quite simplistically.</blockquote> <p>Err, what? That's a huge and controversial statement to make, whatever do you base it on?</p> <p>Akut, really interesting comments. I agree with you on pretty much everthing, didn't know also that earlier pianists and conductors were expected to improvise. It's certainly a technique that has been pretty much stamped out of the current learning repetoire. Which is a pity sometimes. It was only when playing in a band that I learned to transcribe and transpose chords by ear. Although when I sang classical for three years I did learn some improvisation and acquired better pitch sensitivity by singing intervals.</p> 74 · jyotsana said

While I am sure there are many obscure WCM composers who have ccreated truly philosophically rich works, the large mass of WCM from the times of Bach till the advent of Impressionists in the late 19th century, deals with very simple themes, quite simplistically.

Err, what? That’s a huge and controversial statement to make, whatever do you base it on?

Akut, really interesting comments. I agree with you on pretty much everthing, didn’t know also that earlier pianists and conductors were expected to improvise. It’s certainly a technique that has been pretty much stamped out of the current learning repetoire. Which is a pity sometimes. It was only when playing in a band that I learned to transcribe and transpose chords by ear. Although when I sang classical for three years I did learn some improvisation and acquired better pitch sensitivity by singing intervals.

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By: etherspirit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2008/07/31/tyler_cowen_on/comment-page-2/#comment-210742 etherspirit Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:23:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5308#comment-210742 <p>Vinod,</p> <p>You may be correct about the difference in the meaning behind Indian songs vs. Western songs, but if you can only presume what they are about based on how they sound, then you can't really understand their meaning. One shouldn't judge music simply on its meaning. There is no Indian equivalent to American indie rock or Brazilian hip hop, and my point has more to do with evolution of the sound of music than its meaning. In mainstream India there are really only movie soundtracks, carnatic & hindustani music, and western cover bands. There are exceptions, but those are few.</p> <p>*</p> Vinod,

You may be correct about the difference in the meaning behind Indian songs vs. Western songs, but if you can only presume what they are about based on how they sound, then you can’t really understand their meaning. One shouldn’t judge music simply on its meaning. There is no Indian equivalent to American indie rock or Brazilian hip hop, and my point has more to do with evolution of the sound of music than its meaning. In mainstream India there are really only movie soundtracks, carnatic & hindustani music, and western cover bands. There are exceptions, but those are few.

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