Many of you love to harp on the BJP because of their so-called “genocide” tactics but many of its politicians offered the Sikhs shelter during those riots.

oops. yeah, you’re right, that makes it all ok. nothing to see here, let’s move on.

India is the only ‘democracy’ I can think of in the last 25 years where the State machinery is actually used to kill minorities.

Yeah but there were also people helping the Sikhs. Many of you love to harp on the BJP because of their so-called “genocide” tactics but many of its politicians offered the Sikhs shelter during those riots.

New York Times August 1, 2008 “Pakistanis Aided Kabul Attack, U.S. Officials Say”

C.I.A. Outlines Pakistan Links With Militants By MARK MAZZETTI and ERIC SCHMITT

43 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery So you learnt about the plight of Indian Muslims by researching global affairs. Hmm, it does make sense. I guess you must have figured out that all the Muslims massacred in Gujarat were ISI or other foreign agents. Makes as much sense as me learning about the role of the Marines in Iraq War by watching Generation Kill on HBO.

How did you get to that from what I said? I was commenting on the way topics are disproportionately reported and the fact that since Hindus aren’t really a global presence or a persistent threat and consequently there is no real coverage on any issues such as the Pundits for example, in the global media. My research has been mostly on the way Insurgent Groups associated with Islamic ideology function and the things I’ve learned have greatly changed my perspective.

I do not confess to have a belief in the intellectual capabilities of most of the plebes of the VHP and even if there exist, any I doubt they cared if someone was an agent or not as long as they were a Muslim. What in the things I said made you believe that I referred to Muslims as ISI agents? FFS I didn’t even equate Islam with Muslims.

You have to stop equating every person, that presents an POSSIBLE explanation of the greivance (even if it is an imagined greivance) of the Hindutva brigade or presents a rationalization, to someone who hates Muslims…there are a million shades of gray.

I think the treatment of the Sikhs was evil and wrong and reprehensible in every way! The Congress was/is a cult of sorts…I don’t know why that was relevant to what I said.

How was I being self-righteous? You constantly read things in my comments that I can’t even get from my own words! That seems to be a trend I’ve seen on several threads where you’ve responded to me, and it always involves an insult of some sort.

Maybe thats the “represent” that some other poster was commending you for on the recently closed thread…

Under International Law, not all people have a right to self determination. You first need a ‘seperate people’ and then ‘internal oppression of the seperate people by the government’ before you arrive at a right to self determination.

LOL to the n’th degree!! What is this “international law” of which you speak? More pertinently, what is your theory of what is “law”? Under any (plausible) theory of the latter, what is trendily today called “international law” in the malpractice shops of (large segments of) American legal academia is truly nonsense on stilts, other than, perhaps, that one is (1) allowed to kill pirates and (2) badly disfavoured if one harms diplomats.

More importantly, the people who killed and expelled them need to brought to justice. This has only happened in the last 15-20 years, so the killers should be around along with witnesses. I am not sure why this is not being done.

So you learnt about the plight of Indian Muslims by researching global affairs. Hmm, it does make sense. I guess you must have figured out that all the Muslims massacred in Gujarat were ISI or other foreign agents. Makes as much sense as me learning about the role of the Marines in Iraq War by watching Generation Kill on HBO.

Godhra incident is irrelevant to the pogrom in Gujarat. People dont complain about Gujarat because of what the Hindu mobs did. People like me complain because the whole government apparatus in Gujarat was itself complicit in the riots. That was the problem with Gujarat. That problem had nothing to do with what happened at Godhra unless you believe that the Government was justified in taking revenge. India is the only ‘democracy’ I can think of in the last 25 years where the State machinery is actually used to kill minorities. The Sikhs were massacred by Congress Party thugs on the streets of Delhi after Rajiv’s momma was killed and their killers now sit in the Parliament (Salute to the delhi voters for their barbarism in voting for these killers)

First clean up your own house before you give righteous lectures to others.

Under International Law, not all people have a right to self determination. You first need a ‘seperate people’ and then ‘internal oppression of the seperate people by the government’ before you arrive at a right to self determination. Before the Kashmir Independence struggle erupted in the 80s, there was little to no oppression by the Indian government for the past 40 years. I do understand that Kashmiris does have a right to self determination in accordance to UN mandates of the 50s. However, that right was accorded to Kashmir based on their status as Kashmir and not Muslims. Asking for a seperate state based on religion makes little sense now. Do Indian Muslims living in UP have a right to a seperate state? Do Shiites in Pakistan have a right to a seperate state?